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Did anyone see Mogg Rees twitter boast about how we are leading the way in the amount of money we've santioned from the Russians? Its just scary how much is knocking about in the UK.
From memory the whole the EU santioned £40b from 300+ Russians, the USA was around £230b and little old UK 'santioned' (well, gave them 18 months warning to move it out) 16 Russians for about £260b!
How much of that is tied up with Boris I've no idea, but I'm guessing its not just 20 quid.
How much of that is tied up with Boris I’ve no idea, but I’m guessing its not just 20 quid.
How much of that is tied up with Boris I’ve no idea, but I’m guessing its not just 20 quid.
Is there any chance that should the government actually get around to implementing any sanctions etc against the Russians, that Putin will dish the dirt on all the Tory-Russian dealings?
Is there any chance that should the government actually get around to implementing any sanctions etc against the Russians, that Putin will dish the dirt on all the Tory-Russian dealings?
Whats Arron Banks up to these days?
From memory the whole the EU santioned £40b from 300+ Russians, the USA was around £230b and little old UK ‘santioned’ (well, gave them 18 months warning to move it out) 16 Russians for about £260b!
Yep, and the reward for that is sanctions start in ahh 18 months and anyway I think we’ve nobbled the people who would investigate it anyway.
Paper headline Sanctions in name only.
As usual ‘Follow the money’,it’s still able to move = no sanctions.
The look on the faces of the oligarchs if the U.K. had just properly done it would have been priceless.
Did anyone see Mogg Rees twitter boast about how we are leading the way in the amount of money we’ve santioned from the Russians? Its just scary how much is knocking about in the UK.
It's a bit like boasting about how many STDs you've treated yourself for.
"Yeah, well I've beaten the clap numerous times!"
I watched this the other day. Made a lot of sense and made me think about this and the Ukraine thread.
It really does seem that there's a spectrum between democracy and dictatorship. Anyone else worried about where this country actually is on that scale? And which way it's being driven?
He's gotten away with the locked party's, hasn't he.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-60620289
For now.
As Putin becomes an even bigger monster there needs to be further digging on who he has been indirectly funding.
The enquiries are ongoing, just not on the news, but yes, a lot of disgruntled Tories will swallow their distaste to not preempt a crisis in a "almost war" situation.
Though the complete **** up with refugees and visas risks a whole new cloud of bollocks!
If fines are issued after the May local elections, it could get messy for him again. The refugee situation could also see his "Trump card" of building a legislative and administrative wall around the UK to keep foreigners out lose its value... especially as people see their quality of life falling, and cost of living rising, even with Johnson and Patel's fortress Britain style of governance. Blaming your neighbours (with funny accents) instead of the government will hopefully become a harder position to maintain. Wishful thinking, I know.
Johnson has seen a moderate bump in the polls since Ukraine, but nowhere near historical turnarounds other beleaguered PMs/presidents have seen in similar circumstances.
Everyone know he's a snake
On question time last night I thought David Lammy did an excellent job of showing the public what an actual foreign secretary should sound and act like, the right balance of firmness, caution and reassurance.
Might explain Labour retaining a poll lead as the public knows Ukraine isn't a party political issue' it's a question of competence.
Where is Liz Truss anyway? Doing a photo opp on Asscencion Island one would hope, as far away as possible where she can do the least damage.
It was good to see the former Danish PM dismantle the myth of the UK 'leading the way', instead reminding us (and the audience) that it is the EU that are in fact leading the way'.
I read an article by Lammy a few weeks back, where he said he was attending privy council meetings concerning Ukraine but not once did the EU get a mention in all the proceedings.
If we are leading the way, who is following us?
Rees-Mogg says Partygate is 'disproportionate', it was a 'smoke and mirrors' party.
it was a ‘smoke and mirrors’ party.
Bangin'.
Hope they had lasers too.
it was a ‘smoke and mirrors’ party.
or more likely a 'smoking and snoring off mirrors' party
Rees-Mogg says Partygate is ‘disproportionate’, it was a ‘smoke and mirrors’ party.
I think that is down to the electorate to decide.
or more likely a ‘smoking and snoring off mirrors’ party
Yawn.
I bet Govey was hoping for the three line whip.
The man is an absolute ****.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-ditches-pledge-ban-26452413
Jeez, that link to the Mirror was very sticky! Wouldn’t let me navigate back here and clogged my browser up until I shut it down and started again.
Yeah sorry, just had that problem myself! Worked OK on my phone.
Harry_the_Spider
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The man is an absolute ****.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-ditches-pledge-ban-26452413/blockquote >
Talk about not reading the room to, I suspect the public are massively in favour of such a ban.
Just makes him seem more isolated and elitist* that he already does.
*Oh, the irony.
Looked at the headline, didn't read the article; a carrie antoinette policy.
frankconway
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Looked at the headline, didn’t read the article; a carrie antoinette policy.
Isn't she pro animal welfare though? I might be wrong, mind!
That Lulu Lytle interior decor was very 'King of the Colonies' and 'Hunting tigers in Indiaah' stylee. So no surprises there, just another expression of a very nasty and messed up head on a short, fat and needy body. He is disgusting.
Jeez, that link to the Mirror was very sticky!
All the tabloids and a number of other websites are using the same protocol that necessitate a number of clicks to return to original page. I’ve stopped viewing them.
One of the interesting things emerging from the calls to sanction members of the Russian mafia settle in the UK is the growing pressure on the Tories and their supporting press to explain just exactly how influential Putin’s millions has been in Vote Leave. Even normally compliant Tory MPs are beginning to ask increasingly awkward questions. Even Dom Cummings who normally can’t wait to shove the knife in has remained uncharacteristically quiet.
Then there’s Johnson’s increasingly suspect looking friendship with Lebedev. Johnson even had to slip his security details in order to go to one party in Italy that Lebedev threw. Remember the papped photos of him doing the walk of shame through the airport?
Then there’s the £10M that the Telegraph took to write it’s “Russia beyond the Headlines” fluff pieces that have miraculously disappeared from the net
I was certainly someone who thought that a war in Europe would get him off the hook a bit for all the rest of the lies hypocrisy and incompetence that he and his govt have got up to, but it seems whatever happens his life just can’t help but catch up with him.
One of the interesting things emerging from the calls to sanction members of the Russian mafia settle in the UK is the growing pressure on the Tories and their supporting press to explain just exactly how influential Putin’s millions has been in Vote Leave. Even normally compliant Tory MPs are beginning to ask increasingly awkward questions. Even Dom Cummings who normally can’t wait to shove the knife in has remained uncharacteristically quiet.
Well there's this - it was common knowledge at the time although not a lot was made of it.
Boris must have been a dream come true for Moscow. Easily bought / bribed, chuck a Russian violinist at him, fly him to some free parties (one of them immediately after he'd attended a NATO summit to urgently discuss sanctions on Russia...) and pay him handsomely to write some pro-Russian and anti-European stuff in the newspaper.
Same with Trump - easily bought by offers of cash, a few models and a party or two.
Johnson even had to slip his security details in order to go to one party in Italy that Lebedev threw.
Explained very well here: Putin has already deployed a chemical weapon. In Salisbury
I personally think it’s gone a bit beyond lying about a ****ing Downing Street party or two.
Well there’s this – it was common knowledge at the time although not a lot was made of it.
So it is an annoying thing you need to register for, but I got the gist from the few bullet points it let me read. If that is true it doesn't make sense... it says the PM (Teressa May) didn't want him to have access to all the info - why would she appoint someone to For Sec who she didn't trust? If that was based on advice from sec services - perhaps only after she publically announced his appointment... has their assessment changed now he's PM? if sec. services were genuinely concerned would they tell the Queen before she formally appointed him? is it possible he is still not seeing everything?
why would she appoint someone to For Sec who she didn’t trust?
Because... Brexit
That and self-presevation. She had to appoint the leading Brexiteers to senior cabinet positions to secure here nationalist credentials with the headbangers in her own party.
Not that it did her any good. That clown just bumbled along for a bit before doing the inevitable and stabbing her in the back to secure his own further advancement.
If you watch the channel 4 documentary (Blond Ambition) that followed him when he was foreign secretary, its gobsmacking that such a complete imbecile could occupy such a position. You can see all the Foreign Office staff visibly wincing whenever he opens his gob to say something else stupid and offensive.
But then he's gone on to become PM and appointed someone even thicker and more useless than himself to the role, who he also no doubt doesn't trust. Someone who looks terrifyingly likely to follow him as PM
How on earth did we end up being ruled by these clowns?
I wouldn't believe anything in (Business) Insider unless I could verify it using other, more reliable, news sources.
it says the PM (Teressa May) didn’t want him to have access to all the info – why would she appoint someone to For Sec who she didn’t trust?
The PM fills Ministerial positions based on the people he/she wants to keep on-side and as a "well done" statement - it's got very little to do with competence or trust.
if sec. services were genuinely concerned would they tell the Queen before she formally appointed him?
Unlikely that she is able to do much about it, her role in politics is largely ceremonial. It would be extremely unorthodox for her to refuse to pass a law or appoint a minister for example. Shame, cos as (ceremonial) Head of the Commonwealth, she'd have been able to see the ludicrous self-harm that Brexit was and it would have been very entertaining if she'd have refused to sign the Bill that put Article 50 into motion. I could imagine see the frothing gammons torn between love of Queen and country vs her refusing to enact the will of the people. 😂
I wouldn’t believe anything in (Business) Insider unless I could verify it using other, more reliable, news sources.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/revealed-boris-russian-oligarch-and-page-3-model/
I wouldn’t believe anything in (Business) Insider unless I could verify it using other, more reliable, news sources.
The story was widely reported elsewhere.
That Guardian article is damning - maybe they've joined random dots to force two plus two to equal four, but the known facts show just how vulnerable these idiots have left the country.
if sec. services were genuinely concerned
The same security services that were concerned about Lebadev snr’s KGB past when Lebadev jnr was buying his peerage? So concerned in fact that they let Bohnson ‘vouch’ for him. Maybe one concern cancelled out the other.
Oh, how about some more dots? Ben Elliot, co-chair of the Conservative party and nephew of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall runs a concierge service for rich Russians called the Quintessentially Group. Former clients include Binners’ favourite ex-football club owner, R. Abramovic esq. amongst others. I’m sure there have been some nice Russian clients too 😉. Join them as you see fit.
Oh, how about some more dots? Ben Elliot, co-chair of the Conservative party and nephew of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall runs a concierge service for rich Russians called the Quintessentially Group.
Carrie isn't exactly spotlessly clean either.
In fact, you could probably get enough links to twist it into a complete sleeper operation to own the entire UK Government...
https://www.thesteepletimes.com/the-fog/carrie-on-ukraine/
Can't someone just ask him if he's a Russian asset?
Or is that kind of thing not allowed in parliament?
The same security services that were concerned about Lebadev snr’s KGB past
Or the fact the soon after the security service raised the alarm regarding this, that all security check after it were no longer the domain of the MOD but came under the remit of Cabinet Office - i.e. Johnson and Cummings.
Or is that kind of thing not allowed in parliament?
All fine unless you accuse him of lying about it.
In fact, you could probably get enough links to twist it into a complete sleeper operation to own the entire UK Government…
You really do not have to twist it to find that
Brexit was a russian aim to weaken the EU. funded by dirty russian money
tory party is funded by dirty russian money
etc etc
Can’t someone just ask him if he’s a Russian asset?
Willing to bet that he's too stupid to know that he's a Russian asset. He presumably thought that all those donations, the parties, the occasional Russian mistress were all due to his sparkling wit and personality.
It does seem that in modern UK politics, the number of Union Jacks you've generally surrounded yourself with is directly proportional to how casually you'll sell your country down the river to a dodgy foreign regime
Also today is an anniversary of the Dunblane shooting, shall we remind ourselves what out PM said at the time about the decision to heavily restrict peoples ability to own firearms?
“Nanny is confiscating their toys. It is like one of those vast Indian programmes of compulsory vasectomy.”
Thanks Boris for your kind words, I'm sure they're of immense comfort
Adam Bienkov in the Byline Times goes some way to describe Lebadev jnr and Bohnson’s relationship. The nuts and bolts of buying influence over a politician.
https://bylinetimes.com/2022/03/12/boris-johnson-evgeny-lebedev-russia-ukraine-kgb-evening-standard/
Is there actually such a thing as a former KGB officer 🙂
Exactly!
The man has no shame whatsoever:
“Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said the West made a "terrible mistake" and let President Vladimir Putin "get away" with annexing Crimea in 2014.”
That’d be down to people like Johnson then:
“Boris Johnson was accused of being a “Putin apologist” today after he placed some of the blame for Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea on the EU.”
The senior Tory was highlighting problems he claimed were caused by the EU having its own independent foreign policy, during a speech in which he challenged the prime minister’s argument that the bloc is a guarantor of security and peace on the continent.
Nicely put:
https://twitter.com/secrettory12/status/1503425858777894915
"Caligula, it is said, tried to appoint his horse, Incitatus, as consul, but it's unlikely that even he would have bestowed a knighthood on Gavin Williamson."
Is there actually such a thing as a former KGB officer 🙂
Fleetingly, perhaps.
The senior Tory was highlighting problems he claimed were caused by the EU having its own independent foreign policy, during a speech in which he challenged the prime minister’s argument that the bloc is a guarantor of security and peace on the continent.
Unfortunately, as with Brexit, it's just another example of the opinions of those on the right of the Tory party coming into broad alignment with those of the lot on the other extreme in the Labour party.
Their reasons are very different, but the end result is the same
The Russians have been extremely lucky in having useful idiots and apologists for their behaviour in charge of both main parties in this country over recent years. At least one of them was bright enough to be making a packet out of it, rather than doing it for free though.
James (not so) Cleverley is on Radio 4 now talking about sanctions on Russian oligarchs. Something he and his party had absolutely zero interest in up until about a week ago
the opinions of those on the right of the Tory party coming into broad alignment with those of the lot on the other extreme in the Labour party.
I think it is a bit unfair to accuse the whole blairite wing of the Labour Party simply because of Peter Mandelson's and Tony Blair's well-known friendship with the Russian oligarch.
Don't know if anyone has seen this yet, but it is a great piece of work
https://mobile.twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1504439563019763714?cxt=HHwWhICyvfnz6-ApAAAA
That Victorian ****er telling it like it isn't at the Tory Conference and proving yet again how out of touch he is. From the Guardian:
Rees-Mogg, the Brexit minister, said the war was “a reminder that the world is serious” and that it showed the relative unimportance of things like rows about language. He went on:
I would say the same about Partygate. All of that is shown up for the disproportionate fluff of politics that it was, rather than something of fundamental seriousness about the safety of the world and about the established global order.
When we look back in 36 years at Partygate, people will think, ‘What were they on about? They were moving from Covid to Russia and Ukraine, yet they were distracted by whether or not the PM spent five minutes in his own garden.’ It’s fundamentally trivial.
S'alright Jacob I wasn't so bothered about five minutes in the garden - it's the serial lying, double standards and rapid erosion of trust in the government that I feel slightly more annoyed about. Can we agree that these are issues of 'fundamental seriousness'?
What a ****.
Agree completely, scuttler - it's too easy to belittle the whole thing by talking about how no-one should really be worried about the parties because no-one was seriously getting uptight about them, it's the lying about them and everything else that serious...
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1505193109340233736?t=mznepTQGan3L8oRPJ_ej3w
Such a petty, dismal excuse of a man. How low he is bringing this country.
Offensive on so many levels that it’s difficult to know where to start
Still… why not use a massive global crisis, with horrific bloodshed to back up your crass, racist views with the morons who voted for you
Every time I think I can’t possibly feel any more contempt for the ****, yet he consistently proves me wrong
Yeah, my opinion of him hasn't changed, he's still a colossal scumbag
Actually maybe a tiny bit lower
https://twitter.com/HarryYorke1/status/1505247361613844483?t=K6zwg_tx3VbUrsKxGRnH_g&s=19
If the Times lead with that as their big Sunday lead, could that finally be the nail in his coffin?
Every time I think I can’t possibly feel any more contempt for the ****, yet he consistently proves me wrong
Let me help you out.
He did try to claim the EU held some responsibility for the Russian invasion and seizure of the Crimea region of Ukraine.
If the Times lead with that as their big Sunday lead, could that finally be the nail in his coffin?
Nothing will be the final nail in his coffin, I don't think politics works like that any more, it's gone fully partisan football supporter stylee.
Do football supporters change team just because of bad publicity/bad behaviour by players/poor results, or more pertinently, Russian or Saudi ownership? Nope.
My wife just tuts now whenever I mention whatever the latest scandal is. I think the standard line for your average, disinterested voter is 'they're all at it' or 'labour would be worse' or 'something something Corbyn'...
A Tory peer has pulled apart his Brexit vote/Ukraine war analogy, partly by pointing out that Ukranians are fighting and dying for the right to try and join the EU.
Is Boris going to go full Putin, surrounded by idiots who parrot his version of reality? If Scotland votes for independence with an aim of EU membership will he invade to stop EU encroachment on our borders? I'm only half joking....
Is Boris going to go full Putin, surrounded by idiots who parrot his version of reality?
Isn't that the situation we have already?
I can't express how angry I am with this man, for everything he does. This is particularly bad, showboating his abhorrent views, twisting the truth and trashing the reputation and economy of this country. Brexit had more in common with Russia's actions, nationalistic, politically driven, not in the countries best interest and making multiple enemies abroad and then there's the torrent of disinformation.
Isn’t that the situation we have already?
Restrictions on legitimate protest, jerrymandering, and using Russian bots to spread false facts to support their position and affect the outcome of democratic processes?
Would never happen in the UK....oh, wait...
Johnson has to keep bringing up brexit because that is all he's got. He needs to stoke up brexit division to energise his voters.
More is emerging about how useless he was as Foreign Secretary in the Nazanin case - arguably making things a lot worse.
He really is utterly, dangerously clueless,
Johnson has to keep bringing up brexit because that is all he’s got.
He can't spout about the economy, because well, it's ****ed, he can't say 'We got Covid done', because, well, we currently have record hospitalisations in some parts of the UK partly thanks to his problems, and also the small matter of Sue Gray.
The Brexit = Ukraine comments are just outrage farming really, just say anything to get a reaction and stoke up your core support.
But imagine sitting in your basement in Kharkiv and hearing that. I'm not sure our international reputation could get any lower.
Apparently... according to ministers, he didn't say it.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
Comparing the vote to leave the EU with the Ukrainian people fighting for their lives against a foreign invader..
Is that really what he did? Cos I listened to this on the news and what he said didn't compare anything with anything. It just made no ****ing sense whatsoever.
it is "the instinct of the people of this country, like the people of Ukraine, to choose freedom every time”,
He is making a direct analogy between people in their comfortable UK lives placing a cross in a box for whatever reason, and those in Ukraine whose very existence as a sovereign nation is under threat.
Not only that, but the obvious implication is the that yoke of EU oppression is worthy of comparison with that offered in the form of bombs and bullets by Russia.
He could have chosen to qualify that statement to reflect the actual difference between having your relatives blown to bits and being unable to strike independent trade deals, but of course he did not. Either he is breath-takingly naive or, as I suspect, entirely cynical.
The kind of hyperbolic bollocks employed during the referendum about us being a 'vassal state' within the EU is entirely inappropriate when an attempt to create the real thing is going on within Europe.
Typical Johnson, say something to get tory core support gleefully frapping and at the same time 'poke the woke'. Making sure he uses fairly vague language so that when he gets called out, he can simply say his critics are misinterpreting his words.
He is an utterly deplorable populist that appeals to far too many voters in the UK, his only interest is winning elections to massage his own bloated ego...
Yes, but sadly the first thought is "Oh gods, what has the useless sack of sh*t done now?"
I did say what my ministers said I didn’t say, but I didn’t mean it… [ unless what I said works for you, in which case please ignore this non-apology ] …
https://twitter.com/nicktolhurst/status/1505910563783725056?s=21
I'm beginning to understand why people say they are ashamed of being English