It’s an act. Whilst the media laugh at him his back room staff are about to shaft us with the health and social care bill.
Losing his place? Nah, it was deliberate a cunning manipulation of the coverage…
And perhaps that’s partially true, The headlines won’t be about anything Kier might say in his own speech or how the CBI received it, instead it’s all going to be about the nations most beloved Buffoon getting in a muddle and blathering about a children’s cartoon pig…
You've both hit the nail on the head.
Similar to when the "fuel shortages" started. It was when the Labour Party Conference was on , so what were the headlines full of......
Ooh look, a squirrel...
I was waiting for this:
Oof!
Johnson approval doing worse than it was over last years winter lockdown u-turn
and gone negative even amongst leavers
https://twitter.com/DrAlanWager/status/1463098508655878147
No.10 having to deny that he's unwell? Is that euphemism for "No, he wasn't pissed"
Michael Spicer - 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
and gone negative even amongst leavers
Holy s***! That's like burning their messiah.
Of course its all an act from him - and act to cover his lackadaisical incompetence
Others may ( IMO are) using him as cover and managing the news but the idea that Johnson is some sort of manipulative genius is balderdash and piffle.
he acts the buffoon to cover up his incompetence
Hadn't he vowed to give up booze until his new kid is born (December?). He just needs a big glass of wine and suddenly everyone will think he's brilliant again.
I’m sure this has been shared many times before but anyway.
Boris Johnson, people always ask me the same question, they say, 'Is Boris a very very clever man pretending to be an idiot?' And I always say, 'No.'
Ian hislop
Of course its all an act from him – and act to cover his lackadaisical incompetence
I would argue its a mix. Sometimes he deliberately acts up in order to be that cool non elite rebel with a handy secondary bonus of when he just screws up like yesterday people will claim he is playing 14d chess as opposed to pigeon chess.
And so it begins
(still don't think he's done yet)
12 apparently
https://twitter.com/electpoliticsuk/status/1463262377273606152?t=bphislucRYC8Fak0929Fxg&s=19
Nothing in the universe as ruthless as a bunch of Tories scared of losing the next election. Do we have the names of the 12 yet?
I'm hoping he'll hang on long enough to bury their party for a while and expose Brexit for the sham it is.
There will always be a Tory party of course as there will always be a party to represent our baser human instincts. It's a shame but that's the truth.
I wonder how Carrie will feel about being married to a failed pm , I bet she is giving him hell. All her scummy mummy pals must be laughing their heads off.
^^ Also knowing he has buyer's remorse.
I'd almost feel sorry for her but she absolutely knew what she was marrying.
Following on from nickc's post ^^^ how long before the first reference to johnson being 'tired and emotional'?
I can't see Starmer using it but Rayner would, I think, relish the opportunity.
Yes, we know it's code but if it was used, for example, at PMQs would the speaker challenge it's use and demand a retraction?
Here's hoping Starmer pulls a sickie for PMQs and Rayner puts the boot in.
It's known that johnson can't handle forceful women - he might like to handle them, same as his father...
Johnson has been lagging Starmer for a while so you can see why they're worried
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1463165937142714371?t=mIZmqmAavSuKMwyiTVmiOA&s=19
Also remember May survived her first no confidence vote, from arguably a weaker position
Here’s hoping Starmer pulls a sickie for PMQs and Rayner puts the boot in.
I'd pay to see that.
Off topic slightly, is anyone else surprised he hasn't come down with a second dose of Covid yet?
He blatantly still doesn't give a crap about masks/distancing/shaking hands etc.
Matter of time, surely?
Poops - buyer's remorse?
Some so called red wall tories are likely experiencing that now.
As for johnson's missus - she walked into this with her eyes (and ****) wide open; likely she's the one with buyer's remorse but will rinse johnson of everything he has.
Delightful!
Johnson has been lagging Starmer for a while so you can see why they’re worried
“They” won’t be worried, but Johnson will. Look at that graph. Two leaders that the voters feel very negatively about. If the Conservatives can change their leader, and choose the right one, Johnson’s successor will be in control of the timing of the next election, and Labour will be snookered, stuck with an unpopular uninspiring leader and unable to make a move without knowing when the election will happen.
Do we have the names of the 12 yet?
Unless they chose to name themselves it wont get released.
That said Sunak seems to be on manoeuvres
buyer’s remorse?
Some so called red wall tories are likely experiencing that now.
I reckon the letters more likeeto have come from the swivel eyed old guard who think Paterson was robbed and are now worried about their directorships & 2nd jobs
Yes, we know it’s code but if it was used, for example, at PMQs would the speaker challenge it’s use and demand a retraction?
I remember reading something that media legal departments advise against it now since its so well known chances are a libel/slander judge would just treat it the same as calling someone pissed or drunk.
If correct, what a disappointment but I live in hope...
Johnson’s successor will be in control of the timing of the next election, and Labour will be snookered,
All leaders fall into - ve opinion pretty quickly
How long depends on circumstances, but Starmer polls higher than corbyn or milliband ever did
Any replacement for Johnson would have to be carefully considered from that point of view
Honeymoon period can wear off quickly
Honeymoon period can wear off very quickly, which is why I pointed out the key thing that the Conservatives have on their side… their leader gets to choose when the next general election happens. And it they have a new leader, then voters won’t hold it against them if they call a snap election. It’s all about timing, and Labour have no control over that.
I remember reading something that media legal departments advise against it now since its so well known chances are a libel/slander judge would just treat it the same as calling someone pissed or drunk.
the person claiming libel would have to be able to show that they were not drunk! Very difficult for Johnson as its well known he is a drunk
Would calling bojo 'tired and emotional' not be exempt from libel due to parliamentary privilege?
Either way it would be amusing to see it
Would calling bojo ‘tired and emotional’ not be exempt from libel due to parliamentary privilege?
Either way it would be amusing to see it
Blatant abuse of Parliamentary privilege, and I'd love to see it 🤣
the person claiming libel would have to be able to show that they were not drunk!
It would be on the accuser to prove they were but thats getting slightly off topic. I was commenting on it being a code when it seems to being treated as an alternative phrase now.
So with regards to the speaker I suspect it would get banned. After all he is a liar as well but no one is allowed to call him one in parliament.
After all he is a liar as well but no one is allowed to call him one in parliament.
Can you say he is often incorrect?
I think all these things fall under "Unparliamentary language" rather than privilege. I think it's generally accepted for instance that "Liar" falls under unparliamentary, but when Ian Blackford called Johnson that in a speech he got away with because he said he'd informed Johnson he was going to say it, and qualified it's use, the speaker allowed it.
I think calling someone "drunk" is also unparliamentary
I think Starmer should call Johnson a liar & take the ban.
"Why am I banned for calling the PM a liar, when he lies to the country and nothing happens?" Make it a big thing.
There are ways around this. Make it a question rather than a statement ie " were you rather tired and emotional that day?"
Or the skinner approach one day he stated " half the party opposite are crooks" when rebuked by the speaker he retracted it and then stated " half the party opposite are not crooks"
Starmer needs to keep his powder dry for the election campaign - yes bring it to the public attention but do not make it a big issue yet - so that its available for the campaign
I think now that Blackford has tested it, I think qualified use against Johnson would have to be allowed TBH. But, it wouldn't be the weapon I think lots of people think it would be.
Everyone knows Johnson tells lies.
Make it a question rather than a statement ie ” were you rather tired and emotional that day?”
Not that easy I'm afraid, the speaker would probs. ask you to retract as it's clear what the intent is even if you skip past the language barrier. Then without Johnson raising a finger, you have to apologise, and Johnson gets to act all huffty at your expense.
Edit : apologies I'm not following the thread!
Nickc - that would be perfectly acceptable and is a tactic often used
I think it's a still just a joke phrase TBH, I know that George Brown, the famously drunk Labour Foreign Sec was accused of it often, but if you called someone tired and emotional in parliament today it has clear meaning, you'd still be reprimanded. I think you can get away with "Overwrought" or "Not quite yourself" still though.
If it could be considered defamatory, (which because it's so common, it probably could be ) you probably couldn't get away with it in parliament
Ideally if going to accuse Johnson of being a liar, it would be all the sweeter if they used Churchillian means
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminological_inexactitude
Blackford didn't call him a liar, he called him a racist. And was allowed, as nickc noted (helps also that it's true)
Starmer polls higher than corbyn or milliband ever did
Citation needed
