The resulting rocketing inflation will redistribute some wealth, but my prediction is that if retailers raise prices across the board, our over-consuming customer base will cut back, so there won’t need to be so many drivers etc. Or the companies will close their UK operations.
You cannot dick around making basic consumer goods prohibitively expensive and pretend that won’t have an effect on demand.
You're in agreement with Johnson there, you're both saying the market with find the right level: We have to pay blue collar people a bit more so we buy a bit less so demand for staff reduces and we end up back in equalibrium with blue collar workers earning a bit more and white collar workers a bit worse off in real terms.
Labour stuck to their figure of £10
Minimum of £10 now, and constantly reviewed. Importantly “for all workers”. So many people now earn less than the current living wage, due to employment wheezes that the government allow to continue. McDonald was working on good stuff in this area, ‘till he decided to gift the Tories the line you’re now spinning for them.
Labour stuck to their figure of £10, and if some reports are right Johnson is going to £10.50.
If it does go to that £10.50 figure then the HGV driver shortage will just get worse, why put up with all the crap for an extra £1-2 an hour when you can get a job in a shop or warehouse for just a little less? From the whole time the Minimum Wage was brought in (which I agree with BTW) all that has happened is the jobs above that level have very little pay increase while the jobs below are pushed upwards. I've seen many examples of where supervisors/managers were on a decent chunk above the people they looked after but the Minimum Wage has caught up with them to the point they are on pennies more for a lot more responsibility.
I also seem to remember the Minimum Wage was meant to have got to £10/hr by the beginning of 2020 so he's also late.
The £15 figure was just designed to damage Starmer
True.
Labour stuck to their figure of £10, and if some reports are right Johnson is going to £10.50.
So what? The only opposition promises that matter are the ones in the lead up to an election. It sucks but there's not much Kier can do for a few months.
And governments lose elections far more than oppositions win them. The landscape isn't good for Kier now, it might be fantastic in 24 months time.
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I’ve seen many examples of where supervisors/managers were on a decent chunk above the people they looked after but the Minimum Wage has caught up with them to the point they are on pennies more for a lot more responsibility.
And in work benefits have an even more dramatic effect and are very visible to the people involved in payroll. I'm sure someone in HR posted here to make that point a few years back.
No easy answers.
If it does go to that £10.50 figure then the HGV driver shortage will just get worse, why put up with all the crap for an extra £1-2 an hour when you can get a job in a shop or warehouse for just a little less?
£2p/h = £4k per year and you get to be away from your boss!
Meanwhile Minister for Justice, Dominic ‘Big Brains’ Raab shows he’s got his finger on the pulse of the problems facing women in today’s society
https://twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1445658658684112902?s=21
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Minimum of £10 now, and constantly reviewed.
So do you think the voters will take note of that, or do you think they’ll look at which headline figure is higher? The point here is not that the tories will do more on low pay than labour, we all know they won’t. The point is that the voters will think they will because labour have chosen to dither and obfuscate while the tories set the agenda.
If Johnson adopts a small part of Labour’s employment policy, then yes, the Tories will be seen as “setting the agenda”, perversely. After dithering and delaying over the rise, he will then accuse those who have been calling for it for years now as dithering and delaying. And there will be people who’ll repeat that lie for him across the media, on social media, and down the pub… and, well, on forums.
we end up back in equalibrium with blue collar workers earning a bit more and white collar workers a bit worse off in real terms
What about the blue and white collar workers whose jobs are now surplus to requirements when everyone tightens their belts?
He’s up soon…
A reminder that in April of this year, the living wage was due to be raised to £9.21 ± 6p, but Sunak delayed/downgraded it citing the pandemic as the reason.
What about the blue and white collar workers whose jobs are now surplus to requirements when everyone tightens their belts?
It was your post describing how the market works not mine.
I think if Starmer had backed a £15 minimum wage he'd have been seen as an unrealistic leader, those wages are too high for businesses to afford, its probably not much less than I earn at ~£40k pa.
However BoJo saying that this is now the start of a high wage economy, against a back-drop of Brexit, fuel shortages and energy prices spiralling is seen as credible(?).
Has the water supply been spiked with LSD?
Joke about Gove’s nightclubbing. Painful but well received.
He’s got a plug in for the Telegraph, while comparing the people of Doncaster to illiterates.
He’s in full on columnist mode now, deriding Islington school sports days where “no one wins”.
Now “North London dinner parties” where people discuss decriminalising drugs.
Laying into climate protestors to huge cheers, they’re loving the idea of them going to prison.
An attack on Islington lawyers. Conviction rates and delays in court blamed on them. Nothing to do with cuts or policing, oh no.
We’re on the “skills” bit of the speech. Described the problems not the actions it seems (he does know he’s not in opposition, yes?)
Build Back Beaver ?!?
Skills, skills, skills…
[ education, education, education ? ]
Speech is more… vaccination, vaccination, vaccination… as if only we have them, created them, made them and are using them.
Waxing lyrical about “Giant Windmills”, and how Labour wouldn’t build them.
Full on Have I Got News style attack on Labour now. Nothing of substance though, just “Captain Hindsight” stuff about us still being in lockdown if Starmer had his way.
Claiming now that his predecessors fixed a mess left behind by Labour, while also promising to fix the mess left behind by them (and whoever has been PM for the last few years).
Build Back Burger ?!?
Listening to his outpouring of verbiage is enough to make me puke.
No coherent policies, just an endless stream of soundbites.
No doubt his followers will lap this up - just like a dog eating it's own vomit.
It's often said that a country gets the leader it deserves - but this, really?
It’s Churchill time…
Now it’s football time…
Build back burger?
By this point I want to waterboard the ****!
How on earth have we ended up with this over-verbiated half-wit in charge (when he can be bothered)
Who needs a working government when we have spirit ?!?
Who needs to worry about their incomes falling, today, when they have spirit ?!?
Who needs a plan to unblock the ports, get the country moving again, and get it trading, when there is abundance of spirit ?!?
Who needs a coordinated approach to food and energy security when we can all get by on our spirit ?!?
Where were the policies?
He’s in full on columnist mode now
Yep, that could've been pulled straight from the pages of the Telegraph
Trump mk2
Raab doesn't even know what misogyny is, hatred of men is misandry.
Utter hot air - which is no surprise at all really.
So all that stuff that was trailed in advance… an increase in the minimum wage, big investment in public transport in the north… nothing… not a word.
Instead it’s the usual 3 word slogan
Build Back… *insert word beginning with B here*
What a useless **** that man really is
I’m amazed that there are people in this country still buying this tired, sad pantomime act
we end up back in equalibrium with blue collar workers earning a bit more and white collar workers a bit worse off in real terms.
What piece of fantasy class-war bollocks is this? So the folks that make the decisions about how much everyone gets paid are going to listen to Boris, not give themselves a pay rise so that those on the shop floor can have a bit more?
Guess the Pandora Papers story passed you by, where Boris and chums in the Tory party are chummy with oligarchs and kleptocrats, facilitating billions in tax avoidance and money-laundering schemes that deprive our exchequer of billions, whilst making the gullible feel that it was Doreen in accounts fault they haven’t had a decent pay rise.
BBC radio news running with the "no return to uncontrolled immigration" line... realistically, that was the only one he really needed to deliver for the public... everything else seemed to be for party consumption only. Get them motivated for the battles ahead, and to get them to give him the benefit of the doubt as he scrabbles around this winter (when not on holiday). He can motivate his campaigners... he's really good at this stuff. That is essential for a party leader... still no sign he's got the PM part of his job under control yet. Give him another 8 years (I'm sure the voters will).
we end up back in equalibrium with blue collar workers earning a bit more and white collar workers a bit worse off in real terms.
So the folks that make the decisions about how much everyone gets paid are going to listen to Boris, not give themselves a pay rise so that those on the shop floor can have a bit more?
No.
What a useless **** that man really is
Yeah the man who routinely runs rings around Starmer and everyone else in the labour party. You underestimate him, along with everyone else who focuses on the content rather than the style.
I thought Boris's speech will please his party but do floating floaters really look at leaders and think "Oh he's entertaining I'll vote for him.". I suspect they don't. Doubt many people even listen - I'm mildly interested and I only caught it by chance.
The tone of Keir's was much more to my liking, they're supposed to be the PM not an after dinner speaker. Also Keir's speech actually got something done. He very visibly slammed down the Socialist Campaign Group.
Kier's "showman" and "trivial" comments preempted and defused today's speech AFAIC.
So I'd say both of them will be pleased but Kier's the guy who actually made progress.
BBC summary points out only one policy mentioned in 45 minutes, but lots of crowd pleasing rabble points scored.
Lewis Goodall has been a good hire for the BBC. Thread on the speech (and wider politics)…
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1445724353962778634?s=21
Yeah the man who routinely runs rings around Starmer and everyone else in the labour party. You underestimate him, along with everyone else who focuses on the content rather than the style.
Quick word association test....
What adjective would you use to describe people who are swayed by a politician's 'style' rather than 'content'.
No cheating now....what was the first adjective you came up with?
WHERE'S THAT DAMNED "LIKE" BUTTON...?!?!
BBC summary points out only one policy mentioned in 45 minutes
That one policy…
https://twitter.com/rob_merrick/status/1445727287295479808?s=21
Official communications from the office of the Prime Minister yesterday…
BUILD BACK BATTER
…and, one I missed…
BUILD BACK BUTTER
https://twitter.com/borisjohnson/status/1445270828204105733?s=21
( another Telegraph plug in that one )
Official communications from the office of the Prime Minister yesterday
Dead cats. Everywhere. Misdirection. Obfuscation.
Everyone laps it up. Good old Boris. What a jape!
Meanwhile 1000s of needy households have GBP1000 taken away from them as household bills skyrocket and taxation goes up (for the lower classes, natch) while our prime minister makes jokes about locking up the general public.
Well. Hold on tight everyone. Or just relax and watch it pan out. Depending on your circumstances.
I can't believe those tweets are genuinely from his Twitter account.
I know they are and that they are 100% genuine but I still cannot bring myself to believe it.
Beyond parody. Beyond belief. Beyond anything a fiction writer could dream up.
We are well and truly screwed, are we beyond saving?
The government of a rich country is literally reduced to the role of a desperate procurement agent in a small, failing department store chain. It’s every bit as ridiculous as it sounds.
100%
Owen Jones' report at the Tory conference is excellent. Actually challenging them.
Everything that is wrong with a Tory in a 20min clip.
Lies about state spending and taxes. Mantras about hard work and the lazy. Bullshit about poverty. Etc.
So out of touch with reality but equally this serves them well.
(Apologies if this has been posted)
Owen Jones’ report at the Tory conference is excellent. Actually challenging them.
Cue lots of snobbish sneering at OJ. Interesting the bit where they seem to want more union power and higher minimum wage. It's a bizarre situation when the tories seem to be more bothered about supporting workers than labour are.
Yep they can sneer or they can see a bit of journalism actually being done.
Who else would do this sort of thing?
