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He was accusing me of being stupid, not concentrating or not thinking ahead,
No he wasn't. That's all in YOUR head. 🙂 He was just annoyed/bored of it/exaperated.
I have just started motorbiking and have noted driver resentment, I don't know why as I stay around the speed limit and never over/undertake that just looks like asking for trouble.
Actually I think when you start riding a motorbike you realise how bad the driving is around you, its not personal its just that it now has a greater effect on your mortality, rather than just a dent in the bodywork of a car.
Riding a motorbike does improve your roadcraft, especialy your awareness of what other traffic is doing, and road conditions. In a car you are insulated from this.
I do not drive like a ****. I did nothing ****ty
Well that would be for others people to juge.
But my friend has been riding for 26 years
Doesn't mean he a good rider.
Perhaps you refer to the time I posted about the rider who overtook me going up a hill with a blind summit and sharp left bend whilst doing a wheelie on hatchmarkings then having to drop it and swerve in right in front of me as a car headed around the bend (that one made my wife scream out loud it was so close).
Well he apparently had time to pass and you wife need to calm. You fail to understand the concept of weight to power me think.
I'll give you an example. Me + old penumatic drill = 245 kg max. 45 Bhp.
Now that is a very very low power for a bike. But still. Check how much power your average 1250 kg car needs to match that? About five time so 225 bhp. So around probably twice what you have. For what is by stw standard an underpowered bike. Now if I had the usual 85-90 bhp most bikes have you'll need almost 600 BHP to match that.
Motorbikes are f,,,ing crazy on mways most of the time - sitting in blind spots etc.
Not sure how well drivers are taugh in the UK but down here you have to "check your blind stop" each time you do a manoeuvre... Turning right it would be central mirror and turn the head to check the blind spot. Turn left would be central mirror, left hand mirror and then turn head. If you do that before indicating there is very little chance of getting surprised.
Well that would be for others people to juge.
What, people who weren't there? They're the ideal people to judge!
Well he apparently had time to pass and you wife need to calm
Juan you are raving mad. Someone posts an example of lunatic motorcycling that almost caused an accident, and you leap to the defence of the rider despite not having seen it or knowing any of the people involved. You absolute nutcase!
Not sure how well drivers are taugh in the UK but...
Mmm, but what people are taught and what people actually do are two very different things...
Well he apparently had time to pass and you wife need to calm. You fail to understand the concept of weight to power me think.
Read my post - he was wheelie-ing (illegal on a public road IIRC) on hatchmarkings (so he shouldn't have been there) going up a hill with a blind summit and had to drop it and swerve in to avoid the car he was quickly heading towards. Trying to justify such riding exactly why there is resentment from some drivers towards some riders.
No he wasn't. That's all in YOUR head
Yes it is, but what was he expecting me to think? He knew I could see him and did it only after he passed me, intentionally sending me a message.
Given the chance to talk about it I'm sure we'd have got along amicably after exchanging points of view, but the fact I never had the chance to make my case is what's annoying about it. That's where you lot come in - I can have the argument by substitution and hence feel better 🙂
mastiles_fanylion - MemberRead my post - he was wheelie-ing (illegal on a public road IIRC)
Wrong. Its not illegal
on hatchmarkings (so he shouldn't have been there) .
wrong - in some circumstances you can go on cross hatchings - it also depends whether the lines that surround the cross hatchings are solid or not
So a cop seeing someone wheelie-ing along the road wouldn't book them for dangerous driving? Come on TJ, wheelie-ing may not be specifically illegal, but its likely to be lumped in with dangerous driving. What possible justification could the rider have had for acting like that?
Only you would defend the indefensible!
Bigyinn - not defending the rider - just pointing out the ignorance and stupidity of the poster.
A cop would have to show and prove in court that the wheelie was dangerous or reckless driving. A wheelie is not illegal as the poster claimed.
The lines were solid - as it was going up a hill (almost always no crossing centre lines allowed on steep hills) and it was near the top where (as I have said before) there is a hidden summit and a shark left bend.
If you are interested in going to see the place for yourself, it is by the Hopper Lane Hotel near Fewston Reservoir on the Skipton Road out of Harrogate.
And still not convinced wheelie-ing is legal, but happy to be proved wrong.
And I did say IIRC - I wasn't sure and remain unsure.
And you keep coming back to my ignorance when it is you that started off by defending inexcusable riding and have continued to do so throughout this thread.
Its neither legal or illegal. It could be dangerous or reckless driving but the cop would have to show that it was in court. Not the same thing as being illegal.
Even cross hatchings with solid lines can be entered under certain circumstances
Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it isn't ****ing stupid.
Drivers are shocking over here for checking blind spots, and don't start me on lack of indication. On a motorbike you assume everybody is actively trying to kill you, which is not quite right. Most of them are doing it passively through lack of observations and indications.
(not getting drawn into this - my testosterone levels are too low)
Even cross hatchings with solid lines can be entered under certain circumstances
And overtaking (whilst wheelie-ing) a car making good progress going up a hill with an unsighted brow and sharp left turn with solid white lines could ever be a circumstance where it could be justified - come off it Jeremy - either accept that you cannot be right every time and stop responding with your puerile 'ignorant and stupid' responses which are, quite frankly, getting rather tiresome.
MF - at no point have I defended bad riding ( find a post where I have)- merely pointed out that your ignorance of the capabilities of a motorcycle leads you to erroneous conclusions.
MF - your pronouncing on things you have no idea about is tiresome. As is your consistently accusing me of saying what I have not.
You really are tiresome and ignorant
On the cross hatchings I merely point out you are wrong - there are circumstance where it is allowed to enter that area. I didn't say the biker was right in that one - merely that you are ignorant of that law.
The capabilities of a motorbike are usually much higher than the capabilities of the rider - and it is that that I refer to.
It really is like being in a school playground trying to have an argument with you isn't it?
If I tell you that you smell, will you tell me you will get your dad onto me?
MF - its you that consistently assert about things you do not understand and invent things I have said.
I have not defended the bad riding at any point. I merely point out hat you are ignorant of both the law and of the capabilities of a bike so you come to erroneous conclusions.
I can't help it if you are too stupid to understand this simple point
there are circumstance where it is allowed to enter that area. I didn't say the biker was right in that one - merely that you are ignorant of that law
And how is that comment helping the debate?
TandemJeremy - MemberIts neither legal or illegal. It could be dangerous or reckless driving but the cop would have to show that it was in court. Not the same thing as being illegal.
Even cross hatchings with solid lines can be entered under certain circumstances
Stop being so anal! Its patently obvious to all who read MF's posting that the motorcyclist showed very poor judgement and was riding in a dangerous fashion, regardless of whether a wheelie is illegal or not. Perhaps if MF hadnt done anything and hit the rider rather than avoid them that would have been better?
Try being less defensive, he's not attacking you is he?! I really dont understand your desire to defend someone who clearly has no sense of self preservation.
Bigyinn - because he is determined to get one over me at whatever cost and continues to attack any post I make and attempt to prove me wrong.
So far I have concluded that because I have an opinion on what is dangerous riding based on incidents that have happened to me (or in the original example to a close and lifelong friend), I am ignorant and stupid because TJ has formed his own opinions on what 'actually' happened.
Ahh well.
Bigyinn - where am I defending the rider? Seriously have a look at my posts and see if I did. MF claims I did but at no point did I
MF slaggs off motorcyclists from a position of ignorance. Because he is ignorant about the capabilities of motorcycles he comes to erroneous conclusions. However he won't ever accept that if you understand the capabilities of a motorcycle there might be alternative conclusions to be made.
Lorries probably doing their 56mph limit, OP probably doing 70.... So let's say 15mph difference is a reasonable figure. So is 30mph=30secs then 15mph = 1 minute. So 1/4 of a mile, 1 minute = Enough time to pull in, as I said before.
correct, but if OP is doing 70mph the bike shouldn't be overtaking (let alone undertake when the outside lane is clear). I would have moved to the inside lane mind, given the minute duration to overtake and the fact I would unlikely get stuck behind the 2nd lorry as Mway was quiet.
BTW: TJ -> litterbug
The capabilities of a motorbike are usually much higher than the capabilities of the rider - and it is that that I refer to.
Same as cars then. Only cars make bigger holes in walls, hedges, and groups of pedestrians.
Sometimes I dunno why TJ continues posting.. really. What's the point?
Dunno really Molgrips. Infuriated by the attitude of MF I suppose. I'll give up now as he seems incapable of understanding a simple point.
Red rag to a bull?
Bit between his teeth?
Nothing better to do?
Same as all of us really. 🙄
Will you give up TJ? Really, will you?
Ever?
You both have points, and I can see where you are both coming from. TJ, you are being a little anal but that's how you are and I understand that 😀
Ta for that Molgrips - I thought no one understood the point.
And overtaking (whilst wheelie-ing) a car making good progress
Well apparently not as the bike overtook you. Did he cause an accident? Nope so he was in control I think you really need to chill out...
Ta for that Molgrips - I thought no one understood the point.
So are you going to show true humility and accept that I had a point then too TJ? And retract your continued 'ignorant and stupid' accusations?
And Juan - I am not even going to rise to your trolling.
MF - I have never been able to figure out what your point is intended to be. You remain ignorant of the capabilities of a motorcycle thus stupid to try to define what is safe and what is not on a bike.
Juan. Almost causing an accident is still bad. Just because they didn't actually hit does not make it a good manoeuvre or that he was in full control.
MF - I have never been able to figure out what your point is intended to be. You remain ignorant of the capabilities of a motorcycle thus stupid to try to define what is safe and what is not on a bike.
LOL - I have already said it is not the motorcycle but the rider that is the danger. If you think you are capable on a bike because the bike is capable, then god help you.
Molgrips - I wouldn't even have bothered if I were you!
TJ you have to admit that a lot of stuff that motorcyclists do is wildly unsafe, obvious even to those who are not motorcyclists.
The death statistics speak for themselves if nothing else.
Motorcyclists, love to show off some of them. One did a wheelie to impress my female friend when he saw her looking at his bike. Didn't realise his mate had stopped at the lights and wheelied right into the back of him. I just about shat meself I was laughing so much.
TJ you have to admit that a lot of stuff that motorcyclists do is wildly unsafe, obvious even to those who are not motorcyclists.
No you are wrong Molgrips - we are ignorant and stupid because we don't ride bikes so we can't possibly understand how these seemingly dangerous manoeuvres are perfectly safe because the motorcyclist rides in a bubble where no third party, unexpected road hazard or road markings can possibly effect or hurt them. Until it does. 😉
molgrips - MemberTJ you have to admit that a lot of stuff that motorcyclists do is wildly unsafe, obvious even to those who are not motorcyclists.
The death statistics speak for themselves if nothing else.
There are a couple of points on this. A lot of stuff that appears unsafe to non motorcyclist is not unsafe. Thats a large part of the point I was trying to make. Car drivers don't see the bikes coming and dont realise what reserves of grip they have so what is in fact a perfectly safe manoeuvre( in the context of "is anything safe on the road" ) appears to the car driver to be unsafe as they grossly overestimate speed and underestimate safety margins. 'cos a bike is so quick accelerting they seem to suddenly appear in the car drivers view - even if legally it appears to be high speed - but its the acceleration not the speed that means they appear so quickly
equally there are a whole set of unsafe riders out there for sure. Minly born agains like MFs pal
Interestingly on accidents the typical and by far the most common serious motorcycle accident is a middle-aged born again on a country road at [i]under the speed limit[/i] without another vehicle being present - basically overcooking corners.
The fast riders you see tend not to have accidents.
Motorcycles don't have disproportionate numbers of crashes - just eh consequences are much nastier
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A lot of stuff that appears unsafe to non motorcyclist is not unsafe
Right, that's fairly easy to see... but an awful lot of it IS patently unsafe. Sounds to me like wheelying through the no-man's land towards an oncoming car is not safe, and not a good idea.
The fast riders you see tend not to have accidents
I remain to be convinced by this I'm afraid.
equally there are a whole set of unsafe riders out there for sure. Minly born agains like MFs pal
That's looking very judgemental on someone you don't know and have never seen ride, I have to say.
That's looking very judgemental on someone you don't know and have never seen ride, I have to say.
But that is what TJ does best I am afraid.
The guy in question is an experienced rider on his third bike (albeit with a large break in his twenties and thirties which I accept). And I can honestly say, hand firmly on heart, that he will be one of the safest riders around and most certainly not because he is hesitant.
But let's not let what I know as a fact get in the way of the wild assumptions TJ is making in order to back up his rather flimsy argument.
Molgrips - thats what the stats say. Of course anyone can have an accident but the typical and common accident is a born again on a country road at under the speed limit on a tight bend. The fast boys tend to have far less accidents. Simply because to ride fast you nede a much higher level of skill. Thats fast in motorcycle term - all bike are fast in car terms.
snidey about MFs pal - you got me bang to rights- - but from the description MF gave of him he is right in the demographic that has serious accidents.
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MF - your pal is not experienced. 2 yrs recent experience. A few years decades ago is irrelevant. Has he had advanced training? His 3rd bike? How amny miles? I would say 100 000 + to be experienced.
An experienced rider is someone like PP or Juan with decades experience and how on earth can you say he is a safe rider - you do not have the experience to judge.