[Closed] Blood money ?

Your claim about them being keen on war is utter rubbish (why bother?).

The forces do what they're told, some find that difficult to understand. The best soldiers take orders and carry them out, they are paid to do

The broader point of blaiming the PM and politicians for this is correct but the soldiers really could have said F off if they had not just followed orders. Imagine if the General above publicly challenged the legality of the order or refused..... just imagine if they had no just followed orders.

*hopefully I just escape Goodin there and I am in no way comparing the actions of the current soldiers to the SS merely saying the defence of following orders is BS legally and morally.

Unlike the damage the soldier does with his "tool", I can simply pick a new board up and get it right. Your comparison is glib...and that's putting it nicely. I truly hope that some soldiers view their weapons as something just a bit more serious than my hammer (lovely hammer that it is). However, I'm broadly in agreement with Junkyard that they're (not all obviously) quite happy to be told to go and kill some ragheads - it's what they were trained to do.

Leave nuremburg sh1t alone. It's irrelevant and soldiers are and have been held accountable for their actions by their own side all the way through this. And as you say, it's a pretty far stretch from the likes of Hess etc.
The next step from telling the political masters to eff off is a military coup, which I was all for but would upset many I reckon.
Thinking about it, we'd never have had to endure Brown nor Dave and would have been rid of bLiar. Doesn't sound quite so bad does it?
I really liked Gen Dannatt, a man with uncompromising morals which led to him falling out with the politicians. Good man.
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kill some ragheads - it's what they were trained to do.

WTF? The british army is not trained to kill ragheads. It's trained to kill anyone in any environment and makes no preference for race or religion. It is an equal opportunities destroyer.

held to account by own side not really many prosecutions considering the collateral damage is there but yes some have ut all botom feeders i te army not the top brass.I think the Iraqis dead may have a different view on that as well but hey history is written by the victors eh.
Not a fan of military coups they tend to be a bit draconian, right wing ,despotic ...given the pool of people in the army cant think why that would be 😉

NOt that I'm either but right wing is no worse than left wing 😉

I wonder how we'll feel about this seemingly magnanamous gesture if we ever get the truth about Dr Kelly. I'm sure Blair is trying to paint himself in a better light before the inevitable sxxt hits the fan.

Seems highly suspicious to me that Lord Hutton, instructed to investigate the death by the previous government, ordered all medical reports – including the post-mortem findings by pathologist Dr Nicholas Hunt and photographs of Dr Kelly’s body – to remain classified information for 70 years. Not even the close family know what happened to him. Nice!

Gives you a real sense of a cover up doen't it?

Suddenly donating millions to the British Legion just makes one think there is stinky going on behind the scenes.

Who said "damned if he did, damned if he didn't"? Keeping a low profile, out of the glare of the media without blowing his trumpet about how he's helping the the military victims of the conflict by donating the proceeds of his memoirs would have won him much more support IMO.

While were on the subject, perhaps Mandleson should cough up from the proceeds of his book too.

It's laughable that these people are associated with the Labour party and socialisn as they are just lining their pockets. Like Bob Crow and his recent 10% pay rise and 6 figure income, it puts them firmly in the category of the hypocritical!

Do people join army for free trips and holidays? If not why join? Any force conscript?

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NOt that I'm either but right wing is no worse than left wing

I didn't join the Army to kill people, I joined because I wanted to be Frank. Travel the world, adventure, drive tanks, abseil buildings etc. I was aware that I may be called on to fight in a war, but that wasn't the reason for joining, just a part of the occupation. As it turns out I ended up traveling the world right enough, but spent more time sweeping it than abseiling it... 🙂 . Bare (bear?) in mind that most people who join the Army are under 18 and are joining for the lifestyle, not to shoot weapons and blow shit up. Generally.

tree-magnet - Member

I didn't join the Army to kill people, I joined because I wanted to be Frank. Travel the world, adventure, drive tanks, abseil buildings etc. I was aware that I may be called on to fight in a war, but that wasn't the reason for joining, just a part of the occupation. As it turns out I ended up traveling the world right enough, but spent more time sweeping it than abseiling it... . Bare (bear?) in mind that most people who join the Army are under 18 and are joining for the lifestyle, not to shoot weapons and blow shit up. Generally.

In another word a long term holiday at the tax payers expense. 😆

Can you not just resign days before they ask you to go the front line?

p/s: I think I would find most of the WWI officers guilty for ordering the soldiers to walk towards the enemy line facing the bullet. I mean just simply walk ... not even run.

Like Bob Crow and his recent 10% pay rise and 6 figure income, it puts them firmly in the category of the hypocritical!

😕 How the **** is Bob Crow being "hypocritical" ?

Does he argue that RMT members should be on low wages ?

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And how he is in anyway responsible for the Iraq War is beyond me.

Or could you just not resist having a pop at Bob Crow Spongebob.....despite the fact that he has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with this thread ?

And no, he didn't support either the Labour government, nor the Iraq War.

chewkw - Member
Can you not just resign days before they ask you to go the front line?

It was a years notice when I was in, not sure about now.