[Closed] Blade Runner 2049

Thought it was awesome. First hour I'd give 10 out of 10. Based on the whole film I'd say 9. Was totally immersed from the first scene which 3d at imax had me mouth hanging open and wide eyed. Cinematography stunning and sound track great. Not many films have me pondering after but this left me thinking about a few things. Did think it felt rather set up for a 3Rd film but can't really blame them considering the costs these days.

Is deckard a replicant or is he human and therefore the child the 1st hybrid was one thing I was pondering....

Going to see it tomorrow, never usually sure what time I’m getting home, but should be an early finish so taking advantage and going to the flicks for the first time in over a year.
Really looking forward to it.

@ DezB - Captain Underpants 84 mins no back of heads.

Spoilers:

Watched it last night and loved it. Went having avoided threads like this but with the dread of it ruining the BR world in the usual Hollywood remake way. Pleased that it didn't; amazing scenes and soundtrack as has already been said. A few thoughts of my own on others' comments:

Also no explaining of the plot by the characters!

Actually, that was one little bit of disappointment for me. It was not over done but was still there and it just didn't need to be. The weird looking guy in the Replicants' library didn't need to explain "the blackout" like he did; K would have known the history, the viewer could have been left to fill the gaps with simple prompts about corrupt data and "the blackout" in a much more realistic conversation way.
All the flashbacks. Completely unnecessary unless you really aren't paying attention.

I think someone's already mentioned this but the 'army' of replicants stepping out of the gloom right on queue. Yeah. Didn't really fit with the tone of everything else for me.

Also, it seemed a bit too convenient that Joi happened to pick the Priss lookalike, simply because she sensed K liked her. Which gave Priss (what was her name?) the chance to plant the tracker...which just happened to allow 'the army' to turn up in the nick of time... which allowed the story to continue. Someone eluded to Joi being used/manipulated by Wallis to affect K but I don't think that explains the convenient hook up either ...unless I'm missing something.

I didn't notice a hole in the logic that lead K to conclude who the real offspring was so it's interesting to read some people saying it was an unfounded leap. I'm sure there was enough in the 'one-eyed lady's' speech to get to the same conclusion from what K had experienced up to that point wasn't there?

I may have to take a second viewing!

Oh, and I do remember the back of the head scene but any significance has totally passed me by!

And another thing, leaving the 'is Deckard a replicant' hanging again was genius in my opinion. I loved that scene; the arrogance of Wallis, the doubt / denial of Deckard, the childish sulking and insecurity of the 'favourite' character (again, don't recall her name).

Anyway, enough rambling.

Also, it seemed a bit too convenient that Joi happened to pick the Priss lookalike, simply because she sensed K liked her. Which gave Priss (what was her name?) the chance to plant the tracker...which just happened to allow 'the army' to turn up in the nick of time... which allowed the story to continue. Someone eluded to Joi being used/manipulated by Wallis to affect K but I don't think that explains the convenient hook up either ...unless I'm missing something.

Joi was being influenced externally.

Joi was being influenced externally.

Yep, I noted that other's have said that but I'm not sure why Wallis would set up that meeting using Joi. Or do you mean someone else was involved with Joi's manipulation?

Can’t recall exactly but she was being tracked and observed by Wallis yes, I also picked up on that she was being influenced by the replicants.

Now you've got me thinking! I wonder if there are any clues in the street table scene. He has Joi in his pocket and the parting statement when 'Priss' leaves the apartment, along the lines of "I've been inside you, there's not as much going on as you like to think there is"; the obvious reference is to them just being 'synced' but I wonder...hmmm.

chestercopperpot -
@ DezB - Captain Underpants 84 mins no back of heads.

For you -

Is deckard a replicant or is he human and therefore the child the 1st hybrid was one thing I was pondering....

Hmm, I always assumed that the Final Cut implied he was, but it's never been explicitly stated.
He could be a human implanted with false memories?

Loved the film and finally getting to read this thread.
🙂

Agree with the unecessary replicant underground, added nothing, jarred a bit.

Didn't think we needed to know who the child was either, tbh, but apart from that, spot on.

Avoided the thread until I'd seen the film tonight.

Bloody loved it. Amazing visuals, building on the original but having it's own feel. A believable world, bits of which are probably closer than we think.

Just enough nods to the first film for fans without alienating new viewers (loved all the piano stuff personally).

Yeah, the resistance was unnecessary (REALLY hope any sequel isn't a mindless mainstream action film focussed on their story), and the 'piecing it all together' flashbacks bothered me - I'd have preferred them to just have K and Deckard turn up at the lab at the end and have us put the pieces together ourselves.

I love the original both as a great piece of cinema and a meditation on what it means to be human, and 2049 continues both of those trajectories - reinforcing and building on the themes of Scott's film for a contemporary audience.

Is it just me who was straining every time the horse appeared to see if there was a mark on its head where a horn had snapped off?

I though Scott had explicitly said on the record that Deckard was a replicant? Cool of the new film to leave that hanging in the narrative world though.

Went tonight and would have to say It completely surpassed how good I thought it would be. Absolutely stunning visuals and the soundtrack was beautiful . The scenes just before he meets deckard were completely stunning. Fell in love with the girl wwho played Joi , what a honey. The story and ending were brilliant and Im wondering if there will now be a third instalment.

With last years Star Wars and this years Blade Runner its great to see Harrison Ford back doing quality movies.

Is Eddie on a Chesterfield?

Or is he Crazy Eddie?

Joi isn't being tracked by Wallace, but by Love. There's a massive tension between them and K is shown to be able to lie to his superior, so Love should be able to deceive her master too.

I wondered at the very end with the snow whether Dr Dreams was actually making all K's memories in real time & if any of it was 'real' from his POV at all.

So many layers...

Saw it the other day and thought it was a superb bit of cinema.
The missus thought it was obvious and "meh", but then she has the attention span of a fish.

@ DezB - Projecting much 😆

If I was reading up on the subject I'd go for something more substantial by an author with a recognised qualification. Rather than a self help quack with a book to sell. Each to their own, whatever floats your boat and all that.

Saw this last night and blown away. Thought provoking on so many levels I haven't even begun to gather/order my thoughts as let. The human condition..........

I'm am really not a God-botherer (and yet...) but enjoyed Giles Fraser's TOTD the other morning with the Roy reference.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05jh9hb

Anyone seen it for a second time yet?

Watched it a a Vue cinema and it was loud, very loud, not loud enough to wake a guy snoring after an hour!

I'm going again this week Alex.

Seen it twice now. First time on a "normal" screen because I wasn't sure if they'd mess it up or not, and I didn't want to waste my money.
Then went again last week to see it on Imax as it just demanded the proper big screen 3D experience. Better the 2nd time around!

Went in our local cinema the wonderful http://www.statecinema.com.au/Page/Home which lets you take a beer in with you, silent and perfectly observed apart from the guy taking 5 mins to unwrap a sweet.

From the moment the first notes of the score hit I was in.
I can see the style over substance and too long comments but and a huge but
giving you time to absorb the visuals, to soak up the atmosphere and to let your mind play through what was happening was great. The pace was near perfect but there may have been a few seconds in a some scenes that could have been cut - and the damm flashback scene - very unnecessary.
On the character of Joi - the ambiguity as to who she is working for/controlled by/influenced by or who is listening in was crucial - if you didn't think she was a major part then you missed a lot of the film. The idea of what a replicant can be and needs following on from where Roy got us to - the idea that a replicant can live in the society is a key one.

On the sexism issues and the way women are portrayed in the film, BR isn't there to tell us what the future should be but where it could be, a society where the brightest and best have left for offworld and the ones left have no hope, the idea that those who are left are at the bottom, numbing their pain with sex, alcohol and consumerism is a telling insight into what can happen if the direction is not corrected.

The nods to the original were great, Panam was fun, the bee on the arm in vegas? and more I won't even remember. It will be getting a rewatch when it comes to the smaller screen.

as an aside I did see Arrival being brought up before - yep if you didn't like the pace stay away.
List of best films I've seen this year
Arrival
Nocturnal Animals
Logan
Blade Runner 2049
Baby Driver

If lots of people like it you didn't aim high enough.

So finally got to see it

Was amazing to watch and hear, soundtrack was immense.

Lots to think over and soak in, agree about the records clerk exposition bit being forced, again with the flashback over laboured.

Kept me hooked throughout, though. Even if it never surpassed the first one.

Gutted we never got to see the wonders of offworld, but then being stuck on earth is kinda the point.

Do we think it's Oscar-worthy?
It'll be up for Production Design, special effects and Cinematography I imagine - maybe even costumes, but what about Director and Best Film?

Watched it last night, it's really wonderful IMO.

There were a few moments when I felt as if I was in a Art lecture and I should perhaps be taking notes, but it's wonderful all the same.

The story would take about 30 mins to cover in most films, but I never felt bored even though it's knocking on for 3 hours long.

Hope it does well enough for a sequel.

Yup stunnnig cinematography.

Those that rant abou interstellar and the arrrival can surely now see what utter tosh they are?

Saw it again today, this time in 2D. Still amazing.

Those that rant abou interstellar and the arrrival can surely now see what utter tosh they are?

Nope. Superior films. If not superior film making.

Also, same Director as Arrival. Worth bearing in mind.

Blade Runner only wins out on production design.

They’re really not. Yes I’m aware it’s the same director but a good director can’t make a good film out of everything.

Well INterstellar gets good ratings across the board so I'd suggest your in the minority on that one , Arrival goes better still
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/arrival_2016

Maybe it didn't work for you but they were both incredibly well received and reviewed
though
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They’re really not. Yes I’m aware it’s the same director but a good director can’t make a good film out of everything

Well I guess it goes nowhere debating films ...

Arrival is a fabulous film with plenty to go at and a clever denouement. Interstellar, pure space opera - again with content to think about.

Apart from some great cinematography - the latest Blade Runner managed to emulate the first film's po-faced slender logic as if there are some great themes being debated whilst dragging out for an eternity what was a tension-less story.

As for Reynolds it was exactly the same performance as Drive that he phoned in.

I really wanted to enjoy it, and it started off well. But this is one for the fans not the mainstream who decided it wasn't worth the money. Although I could see that coming a mile off.

A shame as Villenueve is a stunning film-maker. Sicario being one of the best of the last few years.

I would like to give a it a second go as a back to back with the original but I fear I wouldn't get through them.

Well INterstellar gets good ratings across the board so I'd suggest your in the minority on that one , Arrival goes better still

I’m well aware of how well rated they were, I’ve discussed my thoughts on them on other threads so I’ll leave it there.

Sicario did absolutely nothing for me. Interstellar was enjoyable but forgettable. Haven't seen Arrival yet - it's family friendly so it's waiting for a rainy Sunday afternoon.

* if you enjoy Arrival, I’d recommend that you read the short story on which it’s based - “story of your life” by Ted Chiang.

Watched it last sunday, thought it bloody ponderous, and really not impressed with the sound track (was there really one?). Basically it's ok but not great TBH, we definitely walked away quite disappointed overall.. If anything I felt it just a setup for "rise of the replicants".
Maybe I'll enjoy it more the 2nd time round.

Watched it last sunday, thought it bloody ponderous