Too little and much too late.
if they are savvy
Oh oh, we are still ****ed then.
Yeah, as much as I think he's reasonably decent, he should have been put out to pasture to some golf club/retirement complex about ten years ago.
Aside from sheer ego, why on earth would someone whos clearley quite well off, want the stress of running a country at that age?
Same goes for trump, I suppose.
If the dems can field a fresh(er) faced, non crazy candidate with a bit more energy, we could see things change quite fast in the polls.
About time. Harris can do it. Trump anti abortion, his running mate even more so. You can't take it while alienating half the population.
I can't believe that the Republicans are backing such an elderly candidate. What are they thinking? ?
I can’t believe that the Republicans are backing such an elderly candidate. What are they thinking?
Exactly. Right now they are looking pretty ****ed too I reckon
Thing is. This man, Mark Kelly is an actual Democrat and he's not a hundred and elventy two. Read his Wikipedia page, Americans eat that shit with a spoon, I don't understand why they didn't pick him from the get go.
Kackling Harris is going up against Trump?! She doesn't stand a snowball in hell's chance. Awful woman. Trump's a shoe-in.
The short timeframe could - will hopefully - be a big plus. The candidate won't be tarnished by an endless campaign and Trump's nicknames by that point. I really hope Biden will be able to distract Trump by saying "I'm too old - and so are you, you old dinosaur". The more he can do that, the more Trump and Biden get paired as yesterday's men together, and in contrast to whoever gets the D nomination.
I just wonder what his family were thinking. I wouldn’t want any of my family running for anything that stressful
His wife and son were - reportedly - the ones telling him to keep plugging away at it. His son is looking at the wrong end of a criminal conviction - having your father in position to commute your sentence (he already said he wouldn't pardon him) would be mighty handy.
Phew.
I think the Dems have a fighting chance now. The anti Trump vote could well be big enough to keep him out of office with a bit of luck.
How the MAGA lot would take that loss is another matter...
Aside from sheer ego, why on earth would someone whos clearley quite well off, want the stress of running a country at that age?
Biden? Duty? To keep Trump out (again)? Personally, I think it was clear 4 years ago that the public couldn’t be asked to elect him to run the country up to 2028, and the Democrats should never have entertained putting him up for re-election.
Trump? Revenge? To beat the legal system? To change the legal system? I genuinely fear he wants to reframe what democracy means.
I think an awful lot less of Biden for making this announcement over X.
A bit off topic, but how come Biden is using his own Xitter account? Is it just the trend that Trump set, or did Trump seige the potus account?
Awful woman.
Ah, I know nothing about Harris but if meets with grimep's disapproval she has probably said and done some reasonable stuff. I need to learn more about her!
From CNN:
Exclusive: Trump responds to Biden dropping out
From CNN's Kaitlan Collins
In a phone call with CNN minutes after President Joe Biden announced his exit from the 2024 race, former President Donald Trump described Biden going “down as the single worst president by far in the history of our country.”While it’s unclear who the Democratic nominee will be, Trump said he thinks Vice President Kamala Harris will be easier to defeat than Biden would have been.
Trump being trump.
Trump’s a shoe-in.
This is a sentiment that has been expressed many times recently, and I think we will see it many times before November. Only time will tell whether the prediction is correct. But in these difficult times, I think it's important for us all to agree on one thing despite our differences:
The expression is "shoo-in".
Ah, I know nothing about Harris but if meets with grimep’s disapproval she has probably said and done some reasonable stuff. I need to learn more about her!
Indeed. This is a good day.
Always thought he should have been a 1 term president and then let Harris have a full run up at the election. Could potentially have led into Democrats in power for 12 years and really get something progressive done.
Hope they don't rue the circus of the last month. They could have had Dump on the ropes for his perpetual lies in the TV debates wirh someone sharper to fire back actual facts.
Bit like Blair overstaying his welcome and handing the job to Gordon Brown too late.
A bit off topic, but how come Biden is using his own Xitter account?
I would guess because its a personal/party announcement vs something as president. Obviously line is somewhat blurred but, for example, in the UK there are restrictions on how a politician can use governmental resources for party political purposes which include announcing standing or not for election.
then let Harris have a full run up at the election.
Unfortunately Harris is woefully unpopular and when Trump says she’ll be easier to beat than Biden I suspect he’s right. It may not be fair or nice, but that’s the situation and the overriding priority is to keep Trump out.
This will be an interesting US election.
Kackling Harris is going up against Trump?! She doesn’t stand a snowball in hell’s chance. Awful woman. Trump’s a shoe-in.
You're an amusing little creature Grimep, but I'm glad the forum has an opposing side.
I'd rather watch someone give Trump a shoe-in.
Ah, Harris has her work cut out for her, as others state, not the most popular, but Biden pretty much had to endorse, as she is the VP, depends how quick the democrats either get behind her, or have some infighting to work out who is going to go up against Trump.
Trump is favourite just now, but again, as others state, November is a distance away, Trump is prone to fumbling, he's had a huge positive wave from a horrific attack, but that'll be on the wane soon when the campaign kicks off and questions start being asked quickfire.
They could have had Dump on the ropes for his perpetual lies in the TV debates wirh someone sharper to fire back actual facts.
Trump's lies absolutely do not matter - surely that must be obvious by now. Nothing is gained by trying to counter them by presenting facts. Facts have had absolutely no effect on Trump or his campaigning for the past decade and they've never mattered to Trump at any point in his life. Trump's supporters don't believe what he's saying is true, they just have no interest in truth if they are offered something more entertaining instead.
Trump is prone to fumbling
Indeed he is
So far its cost him $88m dollars, 34 criminal convictions and two divorces, and he still can't keep his pudgy little hands to himself 🙂
According to a very recent opinion poll Trump is slightly more unpopular than Harris
https://www.newsweek.com/how-kamala-harris-approval-rating-compares-donald-trump-1927983
If it comes to it I will be overcome with joy if Trump is beaten by a mixed race African-Indian woman.
Not primarily because of the humiliation it would cause Trump but because of the humiliation it would cause his supporters, who will then have the further humiliation of being ruled by a black woman for at least 4 years
Trump looking a strong favorite at the bookies
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/does-kamala-harris-poll-better-against-donald-trump/
Unfortunately Harris is woefully unpopular and when Trump says she’ll be easier to beat than Biden I suspect he’s right. It may not be fair or nice, but that’s the situation and the overriding priority is to keep Trump out.
Yeah, the dems need to put a fresh face up, and fast.. rightly or wrongly, Harris is tarnished.
As someone else said..paraphrasing, trumps been throwing poop at her for so long it's not sensible to put her forward.
It's not right, it's just how it is with the american electorate, they are not the brightest people.
Why do I keep hearing how unpopular Harris is? According YouGov she is currently one of the most popular Democrat politicians in the United States, slightly more popular than Biden.
According to YouGov Bernie Sanders is the only Democrat politician who could run that is more popular than Harris and with him there is obviously the age issue.
https://today.yougov.com/ratings/politics/popularity/Democrats/all
She's unpopular according to the Dump trumpeters at (fer) Fox (sake) News. Hmmm...
It’s not right, it’s just how it is with the american electorate, they are not the brightest people
Nice bit of casual racism there
Harris has basically had the (even worse) US equivalent of the smear campaign the right wing press gave Corbyn some years back.
Just like here, some of it stuck unfortunately.
Still, where abortion is likely to be a big dividing like between the parties, Harris being a woman could be a huge advantage to the Dems. She also seems like a pretty decent person all round from what I know of her.
Decent doesn't necessarily win elections though.
5lab
Nice bit of casual racism there
Generalisation surely, not racism.
That said, if intelligent people do stupid things, like vote for Trump, are they in fact stupid? We can only be judged upon our actions when all's said and done.
Or you have Musk, definitely pretty clever but also completely mercenary, so I'm not sure how to class him... Others in here might. 😉
She’s unpopular according to the Dump trumpeters at (fer) Fox (sake) News. Hmmm…
Yeah I suspect that is probably the situation. She is disliked by loyal Trump supporters even more than they dislike Biden.
It would be weird if they preferred a smart black woman over a dithering old white geezer.
Generalisation surely, not racism.
Claiming that the US electorate are not the brightest people is obviously bigotry but it can also be racist.
I have heard argued by racists that Americans are not as smart as other people along the lines of because they are a mongrel nation of immigrants, all those Africans and Asians mixing with Europeans has resulted in a nation of stupid people.
Ironically I think that attitude might actually be widespread in Japan, but I don't know.
What I do know though is that it is obviously bollocks.
She’s unpopular according to the Dump trumpeters at (fer) Fox (sake) News. Hmmm…
Yeah I suspect I've myself fallen foul to the relentless smears from the trump party, I've no idea what it's like on the ground, and being in the UK...
Throw enough poo at the wall, and some of it will stick.
Speaking objectivley, they are not our clowns, and not our circus, I just hope the dems can pull it together, for the sake of global stability more than anything else.
Nice bit of casual racism there
Americans are not a race, unless you are talking about mexicans? or old tribes? nice try though.
A retro thing to say but please do not feed the troll. Keep the chatter about the impending US election, the electorate and the various candidates and their hench-people.
A retro thing to say but please do not feed the troll. Keep the chatter about the impending US election, the electorate and the various candidates and their hench-people.
Good point. I shall refrain, and also apologise, and I shall say no more.
Let's keep this chat on track.
In the end there's going to be a handful of key states that actually matter, barring real craziness, so til the dust settles a wee bit and analysts take a really good look at that with the possible new candidates (and VP pairings) I don't feel like I know a damn thing... it just doesn't matter at all about national polls or how the new candidate polls in DC or Maryland or Idaho or Kentucky, it matters how they do in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, <maybe> Florida? Just maybe a new candidate brings other safer seats into play but it's not real likely.
And that's pretty funky, because those critical states don't always have a lot in common. Like, one poll I saw just now says a Harris/Shapiro ticket would go pretty well in Pennsylvania but absolutely eat shit in Michigan with something mad like an 8% swing to Trump (Biden won there by about 2% IIRC and I've seen some polling saying he was still the lead candidate there this time) No idea why but that's a challenge. What's the magic pairing that holds steady enough in safer seats but pulls people in across enough swing seats?
Harris's polling across the nation mostly says she's marginally less likely to win than Biden, but within the error bars, which is... not great. The main difference there I think is that maybe Harris can shift that better than Biden, who- and it's easy to forget this- was actually holding steadier in polls than it sounded despite everything, but didn't show much sign of being able to close the gap either. Polling's been very sticky up til now.
One thing about Harris is she's already got the name recognition for being VP, which is a big boost and basically ought to put her in a good initial position compared to other possibles, but which may not last once the campaign gets going, she is likely at least slightly in a bubble. Other candidates don't have that boost but they also can't lose it- so positive performances will probably lift them faster. Like, if you had exactly the same polling for Harris and Candidate X it'd probably be fair to assume that X's would rise more easily if they perform well, while Harris's would be stickier on the way up.
(that was one of those long posts that you write to help figure out what you think!)
Although she doesn't explain why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims there is “a huge amount of the donor class and elites” who do not want to see Harris be the nominee.
I'm sure she knows what she's talking about and unfortunately she doesn't paint a reassuring picture.
And because I don't follow US politics closely I don't understand why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doesn't appear to be in the frame herself, I would have thought that she would make a formidable adversary to Trump?
(that was one of those long posts that you write to help figure out what you think!)
Ah, I've mentioned something along those lines myself but you are the first other person that I have seen make the same remark. It's certainly one of the reasons why my posts can waffle endlessly!
