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My Tory parents were moaning about Leftie BBC bias this morning - would not accept that those on the left could possibly see it the other way
Did the Telegraph tell them to think that?
My experience of political views opined by the parents is basically that of an animated, walking, talking copy of the Telegraph. Anything that doesn't agree with them is usually "getting that from the Guardian".
They only get the Torygraph on a Saturday, the rest of the week they get their right wing propaganda from that there left leaning BBC.
No, I don't understand it either
The problem is that we hold the BBC to a higher level of scrutiny than the rest of the media. We know that the newspapers are biased, so therefore the BBC must be. The BBC do try to be neutral, but as has been said before, if they report something you don't like, they must be biased. Sometimes the reporting is poor, therefore that must mean they are biased. Sometimes they don't report stuff, which means they must be biased.
We know that the BBC is not perfect, but for some reason if they make the smallest mistake they are screamed at. Remember that the BBC will have effectively be the opposition while the Labour party guts itself. Questioning the Tory governments policies and actions. You can already see the Tory War Machine gearing up to fight the BBC, who else has the clout to report and challenge what is going on. And if the licence fee goes, so does Channel 4 and S4C
If we really want to know what the media would be like without the BBC look at the USA. Do we really want that, both the quality and the cost. (Remember that we only get the very best of US Television - most is lucky to be called dross). Do we want Fox News as a main source of news? And remember that if the BBC goes then Sky, Amazon, etc will raise their prices - because their main competition will have gone. Driven out both those who cannot stand anyone who disagrees with them, who want an extra cup of Costa coffee a week and those who sit behind the anonymous wall of social media and scream at the BBC.
(Sorry - too much coffee today)
Hopefully Boris will get rid of the licence fee and unite both left and right behind him.
I've been a LibDem for less than five days and both main partys are already gunning for something I value. 🙁
And if the licence fee goes, so does Channel 4 and S4C
A friend's dad was on the board of S4C when I was at university. I remember there being a story in the Welsh press about him being paid £120K a year for 1 day a month. And that was in the early 90s. Not sure if that's a great use of licence payer's money, tbh.
JP
My experience of political views opined by the parents is basically that of an animated, walking, talking copy of the Telegraph. Anything that doesn’t agree with them is usually “getting that from the Guardian”.
You are showing your class there. For me it was Daily Mail/Sun versus Mirror.
The BBC/Channel 4 are good for non biased news and probing interviews, however the rest of the output is nothing special so the argument around better quality holding up others to the same quality and production of programs around niche subjects is long gone.
So basically a question of is the license fee worth it for the non biased news and scrutiny of government?
Interesting stuff from Sweeney in his interview on JO’B’s podcast this morning which puts a bit of flesh on his letter to OfCOM.
I’d like to listen to that, but do you have a linky please, as I’ve no idea what ‘JO’B’s podcast’ is.
Ta.
So basically a question of is the license fee worth it for the non biased news and scrutiny of government?
With our current government I think that's an overwhelming yes.
I’d like to listen to that, but do you have a linky please, as I’ve no idea what ‘JO’B’s podcast’ is.
Ta.
😀
Yeah, sorry for the presumptuous use of abbreviations there. My bad. It’s the most recent episode of James O’Brien’s Disclosure. Some cracking other interviews on there if you go back through as well.
EDIT: Full Disclosure
Whatever your feelings for the BBC we are unlikely to have to worry about it for much longer
BBC News - What the election fall-out means for the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50817529
Thanks DD.
Not that biased after all, both sides complain in comparable numbers:
Not that biased after all, both sides complain in comparable numbers
The truth is not determined by a show of hands.
The truth is not determined by a show of hands.
When it comes to something as difficult to pin down as bias I think a show of hands is probably as close an approximation as we're going to get. I certainly don't see the people claiming the BBC *is* biased offering objective conclusive proof - all the "proof by example" claims are nothing more than a show of hands.
However I'm sure the BBC and most other broadcasters would be delighted if you gave them an objective conclusive way to determine bias, it would allow them to get it exactly right and prove they'd done so. You have one, do you?
Note to self make a gazillion complaints to the BBC about pro right bias between now and next election.
I'm far more persuaded by examples of bias than I am by a letter-writing campaign. Laura K, John Humphrys, Nick Robinson, Sarah Sands, Robbie Gibb - all card-carrying Tories, counterbalanced by ... what?
I’m far more persuaded by examples of bias than I am by a letter-writing campaign. Laura K, John Humphrys, Nick Robinson, Sarah Sands, Robbie Gibb – all card-carrying Tories, counterbalanced by … what?
Quite a lot who probably carry a labour or lib dem card, add in those who have been through Common Purpose programmes etc etc
The BBC has a lot more than half a dozen journalists
I’m far more persuaded by examples of bias than I am by a letter-writing campaign.
So your opinion is based on a logical fallacy.
Laura K, John Humphrys, Nick Robinson, Sarah Sands, Robbie Gibb – all card-carrying Tories
Incorrect, from that list LK and NR (at least) are not members of any party.
Nick Robinson? Chairman of the National Young Conservatives, a position he held for 3 years after joining the BBC, before he turned in his membership as he moved up the political journo ladder (for obvious reasons). Pretty clear where he comes from regardless of whether or not he remains a member.
So your opinion is based on a logical fallacy.
Nope. Based on observation.
Incorrect, from that list LK and NR (at least) are not members of any party.
Missing the point. Those individuals are all firm supporters of the right wing, whatever their memberships.
(the fascist on the left is Britain First candidate Jayda Fransen)
Missing the point.
Your point was NR (and others) are "card carrying tories". He's not. LK isn't.
Here:
Laura K, John Humphrys, Nick Robinson, Sarah Sands, Robbie Gibb – all card-carrying Tories
You're wrong.
OoB - the article from the Guardian you posted was quite amusing - folk accusing the BBC of bias because some audience members at last night of the proms wore EU hats and a singer waved a rainbow flag. Really?
As for LauraK - card carrying? Wouldn’t know, haven’t checked, but I would be surprised if she was. Pro-Tory? Absolutely, she just oozes a gentle but clear right-wing tendency as she flirts with BoJo. Either that or she’s a lefty trying to hard not to show pro-Corbyn bias.
Card carrying or not, Laura K should be sacked and face prosecution for her antics a few weeks ago.
You’re wrong.
Nope - you are.
2a : strongly identified with a group (as of people with a common interest)
card-carrying members of the ecology movement
— R. J. Neuhaus
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/card-carrying
Just watched the local news regarding the local railway landslips and the BBC presenter put on a sarcastic tone when he said Network Rail were saying climate change was a contributory cause. Having been privy to conference calls regarding the slips, the level of rainfall is far above the average norm and a definite contributory cause.
Didn't feel very impartial reporting too me.
The BBC's coverage of the "living wage" increase is a pretty perfect example of client journalism- no real evaluation, just government quotes repeated unquestioned and no mention at all of the fact that this was actually the breaking of the promise to increase it to £9 by 2020, or that the only reason this year's increase is so "big" is because the previous few years have been low. Oh and just a couple of lines acknowledging the fact that the "living wage" isn't in fact anything like the living wage.
Two versions of this story, one from the BBC and one from Israel National News.
The BBC version (and most of the UK coverage) concentrates on groundless allegations that the Cypriot police and courts are corrupt rather than the effect on the victims that would have been a big part of BBC coverage in other cases, whereas the Israeli version takes the same line that the BBC would have of this were a British court.
You ungrateful lot need to pipe down, sometimes decisions have to be made for you!!
https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/1232959282456514561