So what you're saying is that it's true that scientists haven't proven that fairies don't exist?
No. I'm saying that despite science saying they DON'T exist, my belief that they do means that there's just something at work that science doesn't understand therefore it's normal they haven't found fairies yet. Actually, given the thread, lets spell that as faeries.
Science doesn't say they don't exist. Science says that we've never seen any evidence that they exist or anything tangible that actually suggests that they might exist. If something tangible came along (like a video of fairies that could be shown not to have been faked) then science would start coming up with theories about how that could be and then try and prove or disprove those theories.
Homeopathy has never been shown to work beyond placebo so there is nothing to try and prove and it is reasonable to say that it doesn't work.
On a serious note here...
I just had a glass of water, which tasted suspiciously like Cameron Diaz's urine.
Interestingly, there's likely to be more of Cameron Diaz's urine in a glass of tap water, than there is to be any 'active' substance in a single dosing of 100c homoeopathic 'medicine'.
Not sure if I feel sick. or aroused.
DrP
(thinking about it, there's likely to be an equal mix of Ms Diaz's urine as there is of Binner's urine, so it's definitely sick i feel...)
[i]tasted suspiciously like Cameron Diaz's urine.[/i]
not a comparison I'd feel qualified to make, tbh.
did you run out of test sticks when testing her wee for high sugar levels?
I just had a glass of water, which tasted suspiciously like Cameron Diaz's urine.
How do you know....?
How do you know what I know....?!
DrP
[i]How do you know what I know....?![/i]
There's a clue in your forum name, after the 'Dr' bit... 😉
If I said fairies and ogres and trolls ( ) were real but science hadn't discovered them yet, I'd be rightly cast as a mentalist.
Oh there's Definitely trolls.
You don't want tea. You want a mug of water that remembers tea.
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You should go round to my Nan's house.
She makes tea that would make 100c Homeopathic dilution look "super concentrated"
I remember having a biscuit.
Sadly, that's not satisfying enough, I shall have to find an undiluted biscuit to increase my biscuit concentration levels.
Surely tea is only tea if it meets [url= http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=8250 ]ISO3103:1980[/url]?
There are very simple double-blind tests that can be done to see whether homeopathy works. They have been. It doesn't.
[quote=miketually ]There are very simple double-blind tests that can be done to see whether homeopathy works. They have been. It doesn't.
Oh hush. There you go with your science and facts and stuff. I heard from a bloke in the pub that his mate's aunt thought it was pretty good so that's all the scientific proof I need to start to rubbish conventional medicine and start visiting snake-oil salesmen
you've not shaken it in a special way.
So that is how you go the mod gig then 😉
Sorry for the hijack, but I've just taken a load of homeopathic medicine by mistake. Should I induce vomiting and call an ambulance?
You should drink lots of water to dilute it. Oh, hang on...
No, you need to dilute yourself. Jump in the sea.
Sorry for the hijack, but I've just taken a load of homeopathic medicine by mistake. Should I induce vomiting and call an ambulance?
You are at risk of dilutional hyponatremia or dihydrogen monoxide poisoning. Seal yourself in a tupperware tub with a load of dried rice.
or sit near a load of those silica gel packets that come with electronic goods
Surely an underdose would be far more dangerous?
[i]Surely an underdose would be far more dangerous? [/i]
I suspect that there's not enough atoms in the universe to create a situation where there's an underdose of a homeopathic remedy.
diluting things loads means there's [s]virtually[/s] actually nothing left
FTFY
Didn't Hitler get started by not allowing anybody to hold views different to his own.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs not their own facts.
Late to this (sorry, I'm on holiday), but does homeopathy work on hypochondriacs?
[i]does homeopathy work on hypochondriacs? [/i]
"Drink this, it won't cure a disease that you don't have."
Maybe the double negative will work, like crossing the streams?
I dealt with someone recently who instead of giving their young child 5 drops of an homeopathy treatment, gave them 5 drops of olbas oil by accident.
Olbas oil is highly toxic if ingested
Hang on. What about all the bad poisonous things that water has come into contact with? How long does this memory last? Does commercial water purification technology get rid of it? How come my tap water doesn't taste of fish?
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[quote=molgrips ]Hang on. What about all the bad poisonous things that water has come into contact with? How long does this memory last? Does commercial water purification technology get rid of it? How come my tap water doesn't taste of fish?
Are you Cameron Diaz's doctor too?
Hang on. What about all the bad poisonous things that water has come into contact with?
You have to bang it into a leather pad ten times, so the water won't have the memory of anything else.
[i]You have to bang it into a leather pad ten times, so the water won't have the memory of anything else. [/i]
Apart from a memory of being banged into a leather pad?
If it could be demonstrated that water has memory, that would mean the basis for homeopathy not working would have to be re-thought at least, shirley
I think the key part of that statement is "If it could be demonstrated". If it were demonstrated - in a repeatable experiment, under strict conditions, by respected scientists in respected labs then yes, you'd have yourself a paradigm shift and I would join the rest of the scientifically literate world in re-assessing my views.
It hasn't been and the link you posted doesn't even come close to those criteria.
yes if you could show something that no one thinks is true to be true then indeed the scientific community would easily have a paradigm shift.
By easy I mean they would debate, replicate and re evaluate over time rather than just say no its not true
That is why science is so powerful as it is a methodology not the answer that folk adhere to.
Re: the water experiment - if you had a microscope at home that would make it something you could repeat yourself.
As far as I'm aware I think homeopathic remedies are prepared using distilled water i.e. it's not straight out of a tap.
This report
is evidence for homeopathy working in randomised controlled trials.
Therefore it is valid to explore how homeopathy works.
Just in my opinion I think that the holographic universe idea will become the prevalent one to better explain our universe.
http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic_universe.html
After all, everything 'solid' is made of molecules which are made of atoms which are made of mostly empty space and the particles in it are also made of empty space - so there is no real 'solidity'. The screen you're reading this on now is a holographic projection of waveforms from a source.
Wave/particle duality is solved because the particle is simply the holographic projection of the waveform information.
And this is why the dilution thing works. Here goes:
The water holds the information of the original plant/mineral (it being what would cause symptoms of the illness to be treated in a healthy person). So it's not the measurable substance anymore itself that is responsible for the healing - it's the [i]source information[/i] that enables realigning back to health. Diluting increases the potency because you're getting more water to hold that information by volume.
The most obvious analogy would be Arnold J. Rimmer - we are all like him. Stay with me here... Physically he is perfect, so for him to have eczema or something would come from his projection unit. Therefore homeopathy is just an effective method of correcting the information in the projection unit to project the hologram in its full glory again. Except your 'projection unit' and that of the universe itself are invisible to us. We can only see a slice of the electromagnetic spectrum which is at best 4% of the universe.
I think in the next ten years this is what science will explore and explain better than I can.
Was that really outlandish? Thanks for reading if you did.
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As far as I'm aware I think homeopathic remedies are prepared using distilled water i.e. it's not straight out of a tap.
The water holds the information of the original plant/mineral (it being what would cause symptoms of the illness to be treated in a healthy person). So it's not the measurable substance anymore itself that is responsible for the healing - it's the source information that enables realigning back to health. Diluting increases the potency because you're getting more water to hold that information by volume.
so does distillation remove the memory? and what stops the water from remembering the bottle or photons of light hitting it, or your tongue?
As far as I'm aware I think homeopathic remedies are prepared using distilled water i.e. it's not straight out of a tap.
Nutshell.
What happens if you get water that was sexually abused and remebers it? Does that just make your worse?
This reportis evidence for homeopathy working in randomised controlled trials.
[i]"The author of this overview is Robert T Mathie PhD, Research Development Adviser, British
Homeopathic Association"[/i] - sounds impartial
Even he says there is not really enough good research on this matter and recommends the same as an earlier report in terms of homeopathy following a standardised test framework.
*Sigh*
That's exactly the same report misrepresented by the woman in the guardian article you linked to.
In the majority of trials covered by it homeopathy performed worse or no better than placebos.
The first recommendation of the report is:
New and independently conducted RCTs are essential to confirm or refute the currently available research evidence in homeopathy for specific conditions. There is a need to enhance the quantity and the quality of research on the effectiveness of individualised homeopathy, particularly in chronic conditions, as well as on efficacy of specific homeopathic medicines compared with placebo. Future trials must be statistically powered to ensure conclusions may be made about clinically relevant effects
Not exactly glowing.
6079Smithw you waded in with this :
Are you the knower of all things in the universe and how everything works from a quantum level to astrophysics?
After this gem
Just in my opinion I think that the holographic universe idea will become the prevalent one to better explain our universe.
I'm going to throw that right back at you.
Make up your mind now: Is science a sufficiently reliable approach to support homeopathy or is all science bollocks because it doesn't support homeopathy?
don't care as long as they vaccinate.
if they don't, then shout at them for a long time.
This product, for me, is the best reason I've ever seen for putting health warnings on homeopathic 'remedies'.
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Not just daft, but dangerous too.
"tastes of water" would be a better description.
[Edit] Charging $127/pint for water is a good business model, though.
"As far as I'm aware I think homeopathic remedies are prepared using distilled water i.e. it's not straight out of a tap." So irrelevent as distillation separates water molecules from non water molecules or if my understanding of distillation is wrong then proof that homeopathic remedies propperly prepared contain fewer healing memories than tap water. Or are we back to magic shaking and an old saddle being the secret ingredient.
