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Yeap, send in the "negotiators" like Mr A-10 Warthogs and Mr Apache etc ...

Good idea but not as scary as one bullet from 500-1000 yards away & not knowing which direction it came from.

(I love A10's me though, cannon fire sounds like the most lethal wet fart ever)

This is very sad, I had been expecting it all week since we joined in with the airborne assault.

Daffy - Member

The US literally can't afford another ground war.

😯 😆 There is nothing that cannot be done in the land of plenty.

esselgruntfuttock - Member

Yeap, send in the "negotiators" like Mr A-10 Warthogs and Mr Apache etc ...

Good idea but not as scary as one bullet from 500-1000 yards away & not knowing which direction it came from.

(I love A10's me though, cannon fire sounds like the most lethal wet fart ever)

Sniper is good but the impact might be minimum unless combining with the wet fart from Mr A-10 Warthogs. Fart fart fart ...

perhaps they think enticing us into to another ground war serves their long terms aims in terms of recruitment and further weaking us*?

They do not think like we do

perhaps they are just really really pissed off we keep killing muslims and they want to let is know how much it hurts to see innocents die?

It wont help
neither will us bombing them in reply.

* we are spread thin

And bomb what exactly?……

Lets say for discussions sake that i live near to an isis cell or group, I am aware of them but i carry on with my own life and try to avoid all contact with the group whilst praying that my family will be safe, i cannot alert the authorities as who could i possibly trust?, one night there is a bombing raid and my house and family take a hit, i survive but i am left with the total destruction of my life as i try and collect what flesh and body parts i can find of my wife and children in plastic bags for the religious burial within 24hrs.

That bombing raid has ripped the one cause i clung to that was keeping me alive, it destroyed my family and ripped a hole through my heart that i vow to avenge, despite previously being a devout muslim with all that that entails regarding showing courtesy and hospitality to all i now choose to take up the fight against those who ripped what humanity and love i clung to from my grasp.

Dropping bombs will lead to innocent casualties, how many were killed in Irag/Afghanistan?, 200,000….300,000? .

Bombs are not the answer, much as i would love to believe it is possible to target with precision i am afraid it will only cause more suffering.

bearnecessities - Member

......I thought from the moment the human side of this man was reported by the media, it was just building up the profile of him, and therefore impact of any subsequent execution.

The media did the job of providing any 'political' importance to ISIS' actions, for them.

I agree.

+1.

I thought the same thing when they were broadcasting appeals.

Cougar - Moderator

They seem to be missing the fact that it's not working, it's just pissing people off.

Not working ? Are you sure ?

Junkyard - lazarus

perhaps they think enticing us into to another ground war serves their long terms aims in terms of recruitment and further weaking us*?

They have already recruited long before having the idea of enticing the West into fighting them. Why do they have followers all over all of a sudden hmmmm ?

They don't like the West, Western life style, Western beliefs, Western culture etc ... They like nothing of the West.

somafunk - Member

Bombs are not the answer, much as i would love to believe it is possible to target with precision i am afraid it will only cause more suffering.

I think if it spreads further there will be even more suffering.

Bombs are not the answer,

I agree, which is why I said,

Good idea but not as scary as one bullet from 500-1000 yards away & not knowing which direction it came from

A sniper is one of the most (if not THE most) effective weapons on the battlefield, & very cost effective.

Unfortunately It's not that simple, as I said before.
We need more snipers!

chewkw - Member

So what's the solution apart from bombing.

So what's the solution apart from bombing.

As has been said time and time again, these people are not part of a major organisation. They do not have a HQ. For the most part they are part of the civilian population...

So who exactly is getting bombed?

There was a Syrian guy being interviewed on the radio the other day. He talked about how much hatred there was for ISIS and how the local populations wanted to stand up against them. However, because of the inevitable civilian casualties caused by air strikes, he believed if they were to continue then these people would join ISIS to fight the west. This is what they are saying.

This is EXACTLY what ISIS are doing. They want us to be heavy handed. Because it increases their support.

They've beheaded, what, 4 westerners? Hundreds of innocent people have already died in air strikes as a result of this. Yes, ISIS kill shit loads more...most of which over here we don't see. But can you imagine the anger of the Iraqi and Syrian people when we charge in, guns blazing, killing all of these people? This stuff rarely gets reported in the news. Just the tragic deaths of 4 westerners (and it is tragic, but it's also very tragic for the hundreds of others killed at the hands of us, as well as the hands of ISIS).

Truly awful news. His poor family. Terrible end for a good man.

I've no idea what the solution is - how do you defeat such a violent idealogy? We can't negotiate as I don't see what they want from us. Can we afford to stand back and let them slaughter all around them and hope that they don't come directly after us? I don't know if we can, I don't know if they would stop at any particular border till they reach us one way or another.

I remember the vague unsettling fear of the 1980s Cold War nuclear threat as a kid. This feels a lot like that to me. I suspect it does to my son as well. Which worries me even more.

Not working ? Are you sure ?

I'm not sure at all. But my experience is that people generally aren't terrified, they're angry.

MoreCashThanDash - Member

We can't negotiate as I don't see what they want from us

They want to be [u]the god[/u] for the world with the will to do as they like.

Can you negotiate with god?

Whilst I'm not denying the long term inefficiency of bombing as the solution

Hundreds of innocent people have already died in air strikes as a result of this.

I'm not sure I've seen reports of wide scale civilian casualties as a result of recent IS targeted bombing? Or are we assuming that we haven't got any better at this? I may have missed it as family life gets in the way of closely following the news, just saying I've not become aware of it.

I'll bet the chap who's dead would not want the UK charging in all guns blazing because of this.

I'll bet the chap who's dead would not want the UK charging in all guns blazing because of this.

I bet you are right. But I bet quite a few of the thousands they have killed and abused really wish we could figure out a solution, because I don't know what it would be.

If only someone could go back in time and tell everyone how futile and stupid ANY religion actually is and ban them all before they start.

I think if it spreads further there will be even more suffering.

If we continue to bomb then i guarantee this will spread further, first into Europe and then onto our shores and then we will have a world of shit on our hands as vigilante groups will only incite the hatred further.

Solutions? - A few years ago i may have held a sliver of optomisim but now?……unless we have the total unilateral support of every Arab state then we do not stand a hopes chance in hell of stopping Isis.

I don't have the gift of foresight or a magic wand, or a time machine which i'd probably use to go back to the first Gulf war (i personally would go further back to the Balfour declaration of 1926 but i expect i'd get a banning for my opinions on that subject regarding the zionists) and crack the head of George Bush against his military advisors till i scramble the insides of them all and leave them needing fed through a straw.

That'd be a start, from that point forward there may have been a chance but as soon as our Western leaders started talking about taking advice from God it all sounded remarkably like the Crusades of the 1100's.

Not working ? Are you sure ?
I'm not sure at all. But my experience is that people generally aren't terrified, they're angry.

People are angry because these horrible things are happening "over there" .
When it starts happening "over here" , then I think we will start to feel the terror aspect

 

JohnClimber - Member

If only someone could go back in time and tell everyone how futile and stupid ANY religion actually is and ban them all before they start.

I bet mankind will find something else as an excuse to dominate others in that case. The cycle never ends.

somafunk - Member

I think if it spreads further there will be even more suffering.

If we continue to bomb then i guarantee this will spread further, first into Europe and then onto our shores and then we will have a world of shit on our hands as vigilante groups will only incite the hatred further.

Europe can defend themselves but other part of the world in Asia is a different story.

Makes me sick that these criminals get more air time than that poor Alice that was murdered on the canal,that's why they behead people because that way they can get on the telly and advertise their ideology to weak people who are looking for an easy way out,we should stop giving them air time and step up the bombings.

Religion is not the problem - it's misuse of religion to try and justify political, economic and geographical wars that is the problem. The Crusades weren't about religion, neither is this, it's about power and control.

I do not practice any religion, by the way, just putting forward a view.

There was a Syrian guy being interviewed on the radio the other day. He talked about how much hatred there was for ISIS and how the local populations wanted to stand up against them. However, because of the inevitable civilian casualties caused by air strikes, he believed if they were to continue then these people would join ISIS to fight the west.

The West's bombing of ISIS merely legitimizes them in the eyes of their potential supporters, ie, they are fighting the West.

The governments of Syria, Iraq, and Iran, have a very keen interest in defeating ISIS, if anyone should be fighting ISIS it should be them, and the West should be facilitating cooperation between these governments.

Unfortunately Western governments would rather play politics and exploit instability to maintain weak governments in a region which serves vital US interests, as they cynically and despicably fan the flames of the Syrian civil war.

British, French, and US governments, couldn't give a monkeys about executed hostages. And why should they ? Cameron's government isn't any weaker because a British hostage has been executed, and he can now push for more repressive "anti-terror" laws as he racks up the fear whilst simultaneously reassuring a worried electorate that they can trust Her Majesty's government and armed forces.

When ISIS was previously beheading captured Syrian soldiers the British government weren't even classifying them as terrorists.

Think the biggest problem is they have no idea where these guys are actually hanging out.
A Sniper is only as good as the intel telling him where his next mark is.

Sad sad news. Absolute scum and I hope when their worthless time on earth comes to an end they have the reality blasted into their medieval brains that there is no god welcome to eternal nothing scum.

[i]But my experience is that people generally aren't terrified, they're angry.[/i]

This. I'm getting proper pissed off, & who am I getting pissed off at? Is it the local womens institute? No. Is it the local Salvation Army? No. Is it the local YMCA? No. Is it the local Jewish community? No. The Sikhs & Hindus, Buddhists, Amish? NO!
Go on, guess. (& it aint Thatcher either, thats for sure)
The majority of Germans weren't Nazis but look what happened there.

I reckon the Muslim community really need to be taking a bit more of 'a stand' on this. (for want of a better phrase)

A Sniper is only as good as the intel telling him where his next mark is.

It's like I said.

Still don't understand why an Arab taskforce hasn't been set up. We've given Saudi Arabia billions in arms, their troops are trained by us. We had the intelligence to know ISIS was advancing but did nothing. They did nothing. Oh maybe because they are funding them. We want Assad out. Win win. Let's just hope they don't make it to Israel.

George Bush (senior and junior) along with Tony Blair both admitted to laying their trust in God regarding going to war, if that is not part of the problem nor anything to do with religion then it is a very convenient side step to absolve them of use of whatever military power they choose to wield.

War is a god awful thing. But some times necessary to destroy people who are evil and would see us all dead, as part of their quest for power.

Can't afford war, sometimes you cannot afford not to have a war at all monetary costs.
We for several generations have been lucky enough to have known relative peace and have grown soft and fat enjoying the good things in life like 50" TVs ,underfloor heating and hundreds of pairs of shoes all bought with credit cards.

I would happily live with a ration book and wartime austerity to see every member of Isis dead.
Because they be can not be allowed to prosper and flourish, that is not an option.
And the only way to stop them is with weapons of war.

Very sad but there have always been wars and unless we are brainwashed by peaceful space aliens there always will be as good and evil are inbuilt in human nature. And war is not driven by arms manufacturers but by evil men who will use them as a means to an end.
And the only way to stop them is to have better weapons than them and the will to use them to do whats right.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/h3iqoYSVoFs

I'm more in favour of riding my bike than allowing the powers that be to use the media to drive me down a path of hate to a destination which allows a few individuals to become wealthy at the cost of the lives and health and homes of many others.

It's just every now and then I feel like my ignorance is becoming my permission.

RIP

The Muslim community are massively against this if you don't know that you simply are not listening to Muslims or are listening to media that ignore Muslims .
That them vs us picture is exactly what iss seek to generate and exploit.
We need to support the 99% of Muslims who oppose this shit . and push Saudi Arabia to actually make a move for once.

The Muslim community are massively against this if you don't know that you simply are not listening to Muslims or are listening to media that ignore Muslims .

Haven't heard much from either actually but there we go.

This is sick news. So sad.

If 'Crying havoc, and letting slip the dogs of war' could possibly help, so be it. This is not Christianity v Islam or west v east, where there should be no conflict.

The only organised protests against his kidnapping prior to today have been organised by his family or by Muslims.

The only organised protests against his kidnapping prior to today have been organised by his family or by Muslims.

So not exactly widespread then?

It's time the Muslim community did a bit more to address this issue, which is actually a slur on the peaceful teachings of Islam. Yes or no?

doglover - Member

Still don't understand why an Arab taskforce hasn't been set up. We've given Saudi Arabia billions in arms, their troops are trained by us. We had the intelligence to know ISIS was advancing but did nothing. They did nothing. Oh maybe because they are funding them. We want Assad out. Win win. Let's just hope they don't make it to Israel.

Assad has never been a problem in fact I would let Assad alone.

Saudi can't do much because of the religious ground they stand on and if they are seen to be supporting the West, a form of betrayal to their own religion, then even the Saudi royals have not ground to stand on. They are in difficult position hence they would let the West do all the works ... keep them clean.

Desperately sad.
Really deeply concerned about this situation, more than anything that has happened before really. There's no half measures here, we're going to have to mtfu and deal with it, air strikes will not be the solution.

Removing IS will just spawn another terrorist bandwagon for these very wrong people I say loosely to jump on ,I can't see how the world can put an end to the division in culture and the way we want to live versus there ideal I can from my point of view see this getting worse for everyone I hope I am wrong RIP Alan a good man

History indicates that we'll probably start negotiating with them at some point in the future. It's just a question of how many lives will be needlessly lost between now and then.

Just got in and saddened to hear this terrible news about the execution of an innocent man who was trying to help his fellow mankind in their time of crisis.

IS or ISIS do not follow the Islamic faith, which promotes peace. They, like other hateful and evil individuals and organisations of past atrocities, are only interested in demonstrating their power over people weaker than themselves, but use the guise of religion to achieve this. Disaffected people are brainwashed into joining these extremist causes by these despotic leaders - Nazis, Khmer Rouge, Balkans to name a few examples.

It is interesting (actually alarming) to hear the response, or in reality opposition, to any possible solution proposed by Western allies, of many countries such as Russia and China. And the financial support for these barbaric organisations appears to come from Middle East countries that the West seems to covet, yet do we hear our politicians criticize them publicly?

I sense the only thing that will come out of this sad event in the UK is that our politicians will use it in their war of words with each other in the run-up to the election.

RIP Alan Henning

We didn't bomb the IRA* into submission, and I doubt bombs will do much good against these @rseholes.

*Another conflict nominally divided along religious lines but populated by @rseholes looking for an excuse to have a fight.

The fact that Muslim clerics over here appealed his innocence I thought would carry weight especially as some are on the more "Islamist" side.

Bombs are not going to solve this. My uninformed thought: they need to be starved. This involves better understanding the nature of the problem, money, communication and ideology:
- Honest and transparent appraisal of complicity and economic relations with Middle Eastern states (e.g. so many undisclosed relations with Saudi);
- understand monetary and resources flow to and within ISIS,
- target and disrupt communications,
- and tackle ideology through cross-Sunni/Shia joint efforts.

Not a quick fix.