[Closed] Aurevoir Sarkozy

I'm broke. If I borrow more and spend more will it make me richer?

Are you a country or a person ?

No man is an island so I guess he is (a / in) continent

If the [s]socialists [/s]Cameron **** up the [s]French[/s]British economy as some think they might, theyll only blame it on [s]sarkozies [/s]Blair/Brown'soutfit anyway. Be interesting to see what happens.

Tell me, how many of these 27 countries had a socialist government in the run up to the financial crisis?

Very few. Which explains why the EU had a neo-liberal agenda and was pushing for privatisation/free-market fundamentalism so strongly, you know, the economic policies which got us in such a mess.

Are you a country or a person ?

If he/she follows the fatally flawed economical theory which made this financial collapse inevitable, it matters not...

teamhurtmore - member:
Let's not forget Greece tonight as well!

ernie_lynch - member:
Well it seems that the pro-austerity parties have lost.

Is that another way of saying that the Neo-Nazi's have won Ernie?

If he/she follows the fatally flawed classic economical theory which made this financial collapse inevitable, it matters not...

nick1962 - Member

If the [s]socialists[/s] Cameron **** up the [s]French[/s]British economy as some think they might, theyll only blame it on [s]sarkozies[/s] Blair/Brown'soutfit anyway. Be interesting to see what happens.

But then people will always blame Thatcher ...

Bet Kinnock is loving all this blame game ... with his daughter-in-law as Danish PM ... how did that shite happened? Did they form a political dynasty or what? So is there some sort of ultra-lefties forming their own dynasty?

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Is that another way of saying that the Neo-Nazi's have won?

Oh and Z-11 has turned up to make one of his bizarre allegations against me again.

What a surprise.

If the socialists Cameron **** up the FrenchBritish economy as some think they might, theyll only blame it on sarkozies Blair/Brown'soutfit anyway. Be interesting to see what happens.

ernie_lynch - Member
Oh and Z-11 has turned up to make one of his bizarre allegations against me again.

What a surprise.

I think he is saying that you are trying to emulate uncle Dearest Stalin or Uncle Dearest Mao ... 😆

Please ... they are just uncle Dearest and no way near Ultimate Dearest Leader yet ...

Sorry Ernie? Are you saying that Golden Dawn haven't taken seats in the Greek Parliament for the first time in 40 years?

Pretty convincing step forward for a racist, anti immigration, anti austerity party, their share of the vote seems to have grown about twentyfold!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/06/golden-dawn-far-right-greece

Sorry Ernie

It's ok mate - you can't help it.

But I'm broke because I spent money unwisely before so why would borrowing more make me richer this time? Surely I would already be rich if I could do it?

ernie_lynch - Member

Sorry Ernie

It's ok mate - you can't help it.

Wrong Ernie ... you should educate him with collective wisdoms and if he does not comply put him to collective hard labour for collective education and collective well being . Or do some probing ...

Or do some probing ...

You might be on to something. Where do you think the probe should go ?

The majority of the French electorate(clearly misguided fools :-))have made their own minds up about the direction they wish their country to go based upon their own experiences and what was on offer at the polls.
Next time perhaps they should just tune into STW and vote for whoever chewkw,wrecker ,Zulueleven et al tell them to.

ernie_lynch - Member

You might be on to something. Where do you think the probe should go ?

Follow the wisdom of the collective and you shall find your way there ... then probe accordingly. 😆

nick1962 - Member

Next time perhaps they should just tune into STW and vote for whoever chewkw,wrecker ,Zulueleven et al tell them to.

Yes, I shall advise them with Dear Leader's wisdom ...

I think that as long as Hollande keeps his promises then this really will be interesting for the whole of Europe. The two big differences between them seems to be taxation and Europe with Hollande proposing higher tax rates and a more robust stance towards the recent European treaties. It is important for these to be tested in the real world rather than in economic journals and for the the entrenched economic and political models to be challenged. I hope that events in other nations will allow this to happen but fear that Greece and Spain may both muddy the waters significantly.

Follow the wisdom of the collective and you shall find your way there ... then probe accordingly.

Wise words.

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If you accept National Bureau for Economic Research dating the beginning of the recession as December 2007 then this statement:

ernie_lynch - Member

Tell me, how many of these 27 countries had a socialist government in the run up to the financial crisis?

Very few. Which explains why the EU had a neo-liberal agenda and was pushing for privatisation/free-market fundamentalism so strongly, you know, the economic policies which got us in such a mess.

It is not quite so clear cut. The stats produces by The Economist in the following chart.

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In 2007 there were 9 left wing governments within the 27 EU countries - this excludes their presence within coalitions where they did not have overall control. Just thought a few facts may help things along. 😀

In 2007 there were 9 left wing governments within the 27 EU countries

So it's pretty clear who set the EU agenda then..........conservative governments. One has to wonder why the EU is in such an economic mess eh ?

Conservatism doesn't work, in case anyone hadn't noticed.

I'd be interested to see a bit more of a breakdown on that too- frinstance did they consider Blair's labour to be leftwing?

did they consider Blair's labour to be leftwing?

Almost certainly. New Labour is part of the Socialist Group in the EU.

Sarkozy lost because he was an idiot
-he pandered to the right wing nutters and tried to out do them on immigration,
-he cut taxes for the rich while unemployment soared
-court cases are looming as he was caught up in a campaign funding scandal; the deals he made to get into office coming back to haunt him
-while his austerity budget was steering his country back into recession, refusing to entertain the thought of a plan B

Im glad that we are so much better than the french.............

That's a classic Economist chart that looks interesting but tells us very liittle. Given the skew of economic influence the GDP line will be determined by the small number of large economies. The political persuasion of the other states is mere noise esp with common monetary policy and currencies for most participants. But looks good though!

Next time perhaps they should just tune into STW and vote for whoever chewkw,wrecker ,Zulueleven et al tell them to.

wreckers correct you only need to say RWNs

As opposed to LWDHs
Also, I'm not right wing but have been accused of being nuts

Whjy do some of those who commonly espouse right wing ideas deny being right wing? there are a few on here.

Do a person's views have to be mutually left, right or centre? Some people follow their own opinions rather than slavishly agreeing with the views of the political party they follow.

Its nothing to do with a political party its about the world view you have

Well said Mr F.
I refuse to be pigeonholed into a neat collective.
If Tony Blair and half the labour MP's (and other partys too) are left wing, while at the same time feathering their own nests with capricious greed then I am left wing. I believe in public duty and would never act in this way.
However when it comes to work and benefits then I am more right wing. Cant do with spongers, and there are many in this country that expect to be propped up by others. Minimum wage is a good thing and should be higher. NHS is good and should be well funded.
Trains should be cheap and state owned. Immigration should be limited to need and genuine refugees.

So you see, a real smorgessbord of left and right.

Well said mf, the RW v LW debate is more commonly a tired, outdated and sloppy attempt to classify people, views, policies when the reality is so much muddier - as European politics, the French election, and STW illustrate nicely. In economics terms it's like Keynes vs Monetarist, the world moved on from nice black and white definitions a long time ago even if some fail to notice.

Its the same as " I'm not a racist but" -IMO - "i'm not a tory but" people are either ashamed of having the right wing views or in the case of some on here IMO genuinely fail to understand that their views are right wing

I find it very amusing when folk claim to not be right wing while constantly espousing a right wing line

Can someone explain this too me not the right wing left wing part, but the shares part, if someone is voted into power that will look to redistribute wealth away from the minority of rich and back into the hand of the majority of poor people.

Then the shares for that country will drop in value?

How exactly does it work and how have we come to a be in a situation where the banking sector has so much influence and as such control over our lives, especially when that influence is detrimental to our quality of life.

So how does it work and isn't it the equivalent of coercion / blackmail for countries to only vote in certain parties?

Well indeed, kaesae.

Mind you - I don't really believe in conventional notions of 'economy'.

Typical of the bloody frogs to break ranks and act in pure self interest. To quote MacMillan - the French always betray you in the end.

It'll be intersting to see how long the krauts are willing to bankroll a 25 hour working week and the bon vivant lifestyle, though. We all know where the power lies.

Still, I've had a bank holiday treat of croissants and coffee for breakfast and there's some Kronenbourg chilling in the fridge, so it's not all bad.

The sharper eyed amongst you will notice that I've liberally (no pun intended) peppered this with terms that were very much in vogue in the 1930's - it's starting to resemble that decade quite a lot...........

At least we're not in the Euro - affected by it obviously, but at least some of our monetary policy is our own - the Euro has a long way to fall yet, if it survives at all. The reason we slipped behind the Euro to begin with was simply one of mass and inertia, but now, given time, the true folly of the Euro 'project' will be evident.

Wasn't the euro going OK until the global economy collapsed, very convenient for all those rich individuals, bodies and corporations who want to invest in china, to have a united Europe neutralized?

Like I said I don't have any clue about politics or policies, however it does seem to me that we are working for nothing except possessions and that quality of life these days is quite low in relation to the amount of resources and facilities we have.

Obviously we need to be realistic about our situation but we also need to start making changes for the future, things cannot go on as they are!

I'm not ashamed of my views. I think they are all a shower of self-serving shysters.

@ CHB

By the way, thanks for nailing that particular 'easy out' for people who refuse to debate and just want to draw 'battle' lines.

In short - the railways were nationalised out of a point of principle (never a good justification on its own). It was and is impractical to run a system where the constituent parts MUST function together with different interests owning each bit.

However, the Welfare State was set up to temporarily help people who couldn't help themselves, get them to a point where they were up and running again, then help someone else. It was NOT created to oversee the creation of an entire social group who depend solely upon it, keep them in Sky TV and betting slips and lager. The majority of people on benefits are not like this, but there is a significant number who are.

The NHS was rightly created to equalise the access to medical treatment away from people who could afford it and those who couldn't, but in the context of inescapable medical problems. It was NOT created as a safety net for people who want to take drugs, start punchups every Saturday night, eat until they are unable to move and all the rest of it. I'd go so far as to say that if I injured myself on my mountain bike (causing myself harm whilst indulging in a leisure activity, then I wouldn't feel aggrieved at having to contribute something to the system I was using).

I also believe that we should not have unpaid leave for sporting accidents and injury - I have dragged myself into work in a couple of states knowing full well that other people are swinging the lead.

For example, a few years ago after needing 15 stitches in an elbow wound that went down through the fatty stuff to the bone, I went to work basically drugged up to the eyeball on painkillers and got through it without letting anyone down. In another department about 5m away, there was a woman coming up to retirement, who only worked when directly supervised. She took six weeks off for an ingrowing toenail, and did it before she retired so she could have paid leave.

The left a nasty taste to be honest, but at least I'm not a scrounger.

It's not about left versus right, it's about being able to go to bed at night knowing that you haven't let anyone down and you have hopefully given more than you have taken. It's about the attitude of taking things on the chin (even if they are unfair) and moving on and doing something about it. If I'm really sticking my neck out, it's about being British (irrespective of race, colour or creed) - I would like to think of Britishness as an attitude rather than a way of defining race - although even this has been hijacked by extremists who can't be bothered to think.

Sermon over - but if everyone put in 1% more effort every day, I think we would be a far happier country.

Sermon over

Ah no, keep going. It's brilliant stuff.

Why hasn't this site got a "like" button for posts like that 🙂

Why hasn't this site got a "like" button for posts like that

For the same reason it doesn't have a dislike for most of what you say Zulu.

dannyh - gold. i couldn't help but think of this guy while i was reading :

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