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butcher - MemberNewcomers getting paid more than experience staff who know their job well (and in the vast majority of cases work much more efficiently). That seems almost criminal to me, and should be exposed. People would be right to kick off about that.
You can look at it 2 ways (well- actually it's the same thing, viewed from 2 different angles). Either it's sensible because attracting new staff is harder than retaining old staff, and therefore good business; or it's abusing staff loyalty and desire for stability, and therefore disgusting.
Actually it's both at the same time, good business is often disgusting. But most folks don't like that so they'll go to one or the other.
Secrecy over wages is a fig-leaf to cover up management cronyism and incompetence, that weakens the ability of the workforce to negotiate a fair settlement.
Why shouldn't new comers get more salary wise than long termers? If I need to employ new people to work for me, I want the best person for the job and if that means paying a decent wack then so be it. Conversely, if someone isn't happy with their pay, they know they can talk to me about increasing it and we can see what's possible.
I don't care what my peers are paid, what I care about is that I'm fairly compensated for the work I do. If I'm not paid enough I'll look elsewhere, plenty of jobs about.
thecaptain - Member
Secrecy over wages is a fig-leaf to cover up management cronyism and incompetence, that weakens the ability of the workforce to negotiate a fair settlement.
Also what I earn is none of your business, I've been in positions where I've been on a better deal compared to others but there were good reasons. Some days you need to do what you can to get the best people to achieve your goals.
tomhoward : That was a good program, if i remember correctly some of the plumbers were taking in upwards of £90k a year
flange - MemberWhy shouldn't new comers get more salary wise than long termers? If I need to employ new people to work for me, I want the best person for the job and if that means paying a decent wack then so be it.
So when you hired the last person, were they not the best person for the job?
what I care about is that I'm fairly compensated for the work I do
How can you judge what is fair if your only knowledge of salary is your own?
Having run departments and set salaries, it's a complicated subject. People join at different times on different salaries with different skill sets. After a while you realise you have two equivalent team members on different salaries, but the allocated pay rise budget might only be a few % across a whole department, so to correct an anomaly could wipe out the annual pay rise budget for that department, leaving nothing for the annual % ride for inflation etc. For most companies pay roll can by one of the biggest costs, so you can't just fix things instantly. Salary discrepancies are never intentional (or not where I've worked) they just occur naturally and take a long time to resolve.
Salary discrepancies are never intentional
True but the moment the guy managing you realises that you earn more than him is a beautiful thing 😉
True but the moment the guy managing you realises that you earn more than him is a beautiful thing
He'd normally know when he hired you?
I've managed people on a lot more than me, but they were exceptionally good and worked longer hours than I did - so definitely earned it.
no the senior boss did the contracts, was a move around that ended up with that happy situation, we did joke about it over a beer later after the department had a pay shake up
I see what you're saying NW, but the people in my team all do quite specific jobs - I don't have a group of people all doing the same thing. For example if I need a developer with the ability to take requirements from business users, normally I'd look to an ex consultant who are normally paid more than end user roles. This all said I do try to make sure everyone is paid similar - we don't have job banding which makes it difficult but if someone is significantly lower than the others I'll do my best to bring them up to the average.
Regarding my salary, I look at job boards and I've been in enough roles to know my 'worth'. im happy with my lot, the company I work for is a really nice company so I'm content with what I have. I'm quite fortunate in that what I do isn't industry specific so I can pick one of the areas where pay is better - What I do can vary up to 30k a year based purely on the fact it's pharma rather than say logistics.