Armenia and Azerbaijan

thols2 · 2022-09-14T07:56:48Z

This keeps coming up on the Ukraine thread. Maybe it's better to have a separate thread for it. I don't really know much about the details of what's going on there, I think they have a border dispute that's been going on for years (decades? centuries?), Armenia is much smaller, but was a Russian ally. Now that Russia is a bit distracted, Azerbaijan has decided to step things up? I'm guessing a good chance of many of the countries in that region rethinking their strategic positions now that Russia is failing so badly, is that going to play into Iran's hands?

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Fair post Jive

What role NATO’s influence has in increasing global defence spending may be best left for another thread…

That would need a research institute to untangle, theres so much tit for tat, rising ambitions faltering powers, localised and regional grievances, and not forgetting trade wrangling involved it would likely be impossible to honestly pin down.

Back OT, Im seeing pretty much zero reliable looking perspectives on this conflict at the minute. Presumably thats an information war no one has a good grasp on in the west just now. Its just a tirade of accusations that only really differ in the country name(s) being used.

Posted : 17/09/2022 3:52 pm

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What role ~~NATO’s~~ Russia's influence has in increasing global defence spending may be best left for another thread…

FTFY. In case you haven't been following the news, Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and stepped it up hugely this year, unleashing a wave of rape, torture, and murder of civilians not seen in Europe since the 1940s. This prompted Sweden and Finland to join NATO, plus we can expect eastern European countries to step up their military expenditures. You can thank Putin for this, he has done more for the global arms trade than any living person.

Posted : 17/09/2022 4:04 pm

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You can thank Putin for this, he has done more for the global arms trade than any living person.

All bolstered with the support of Saudi Arabia, as I previously mentioned...

Ostracized by the West, Russia Finds a Partner in Saudi Arabia

The two oil-producing countries have extended their partnership even as the United States and Europe have sought to punish and isolate Russia for invading Ukraine.

The Saudis are in turn supported by the UK and US in their constant bombardment of Yemen amid the world's worst humanitarian crisis.

Perhaps war is closer to human instinct than we'd prefer to admit...

We'll have to see how the situation between Azerbaijan and Armenia develops, but if Russia are supplying the majority of arms to both sides, it may be that such a conflict ultimately benefits the Russian economy...

That said, you'd imagine the RAND corporation had factored in such matters when suggesting exploiting the situation

Posted : 17/09/2022 4:18 pm

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So, Russia's just abandoned its sphere of influence and handed it over to the U.S.

https://twitter.com/TBaktemir/status/1570924346759315458

https://twitter.com/TBaktemir/status/1570924351264034816

https://twitter.com/TBaktemir/status/1570924360420163584

Posted : 17/09/2022 6:38 pm

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Listened to a good pod the other day with Robert Evans (Behind The Bastards) interviewing Joe Kassabian (@jkass99 on Twitter) on the It Could Happen Here feed. Depressing stuff.

Posted : 17/09/2022 7:39 pm

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Strange topic to post on a cycling forum

Are you new here?

Posted : 18/09/2022 11:00 pm

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