: I would also probably hope my neighbours wouldn’t go chatting about it afterwards, or posting about it on the internet, and that they would keep the footage to themselves unless it was needed.
To be fair this is a reasonably anonymous forum unless we know a user in the real world or they post a lot about their personal life most of us don't know real names and locations, at most rough idea of area.
The incident is described without personally identifiable detail to avoid revealing identity of those involved.
Dont see the problem. Not sure I would fe comfortable videoing it however.
I bet local Facebook group had little reservation though.
Sounds like someone has found a way to avoid waiting hours for an ambulance.
"I'm about to shoot myself with MY GUN"
To be fair this is a reasonably anonymous forum unless we know a user in the real world or they post a lot about their personal life most of us don’t know real names and locations, at most rough idea of area.
The incident is described without personally identifiable detail to avoid revealing identity of those involved.
Dont see the problem. Not sure I would fe comfortable videoing it however.
I suspect many here do know where FF lives,see rate my brickie and he pretty much tells everyone. 🤣. Still love that thread.
Not standing watching the whole thing mind
At which point do you think footflaps should have stopped watching before going away to check what was on the telly?
The point where 6 officers were pointing assault rifles at the door?
And thinking "no one will believe this, I'll record it on my phone" is a fairly normal reaction imo.
A couple of years ago I witnessed gang related stabbings a few feet away (at one point a few inches) whilst sitting in my car, I regretted afterwards not attempting to video it, it might have proved useful. Although I am not sure how much protection BMW central locking gives!
Sounds like someone has found a way to avoid waiting hours for an ambulance.
“I’m about to shoot myself with MY GUN”
Emm, if I understood the OP correctly it took 4 hours so not sure its the best way!
And thinking “no one will believe this, I’ll record it on my phone” is a fairly normal reaction imo.
Its certainly not an abnormal reaction. That doesn't make it right. Worst case you might be about to watch someone get shot which doesn't sound like something most people would rush to do. Best case you've just videos your neighbour having some sort of breakdown but captured the evidence that the police were absolutely professional in how they dealt with it.
Do you really think its "no one will believe this"? Or just the inane way social media has "trained" us all to react and then post our whole lives?
If filming it was likely to be a problem then I'm sure that the police would have done something to mitigate that, screens, clear the facing properties, etc.
Police are filmed frequently by "auditors" and others looking for a reaction and I imagine that they're quite used to it. I can't see that FF has caused anyone a problem, give the guy a break 🙂
Sounds like someone has found a way to avoid waiting hours for an ambulance.
“I’m about to shoot myself with MY GUN”
Emm, if I understood the OP correctly it took 4 hours so not sure its the best way!
Only 4 hours? Where is this nirvana?
I’m willing to bet at least half the people having a go at footflaps would’ve done the exact same thing. Bit of excitement in an otherwise boring existence.
I once had my whole road cordoned off due to some sort of stand off with armed police. Only found out when I woke up after a heavy night out to a shit tonne of texts from people asking me what was happening. Never did find out.
It wouldnt be my first reaction to start videoing. It does appear to unfortunately be a built in response of people these days. I do wonder if its because people are so used to watching adverse situations on the mobile device that it has become a learned response (a comfort thing) to start recording on their mobile.
Yes I would watch through my window, its voyeuristic, and who wouldnt.
For those saying it can be filmed for evidence of police misconduct. I would like to think that rather than filming someone getting abused by the Police, people would challenge them at least, rather than just filming. Film secondary yes, but first directly challenge or call 999.
Op hasnt yet said why he started filming.
I’m willing to bet at least half the people having a go at footflaps would’ve done the exact same thing.............I once had my whole road cordoned off due to some sort of stand off with armed police
A slightly abbreviated version of the actual event - bloke and two girls were walking up the road vandalising cars. We confronted them, bloke sank to his knees and bit me, so I walloped him around the head, once, because at this point, I was pushed away by someone with the words, 'Step aside, I'm a bouncer'. (No lie!) I stood aside, just in time to see half a dozen police vans arrive, with dogs and everything bar firearms. The two girls ran off up the street. One of them was clothes-lined by my aunt sticking her arm out of her front door. It was a quiet night in the police station, I was told by one of them later. It certainly wasn't a quiet night on our street and sadly this was pre-smart phone so no videos. Or maybe not sadly. 😀
Do you really think its “no one will believe this”? Or just the inane way social media has “trained” us all to react and then post our whole lives?
Have you got any evidence that footflaps has posted it on social media? Armed police turning up in your road opposite your house is a fairly unusual occurrence, why not film it to show your brother/mother/friend?
There is no evidence that footflaps filmed anything gruesome. The idea that the whole incident should have been simply ignored, despite occurring a few feet away from you, is bizarre.
The idea that the whole incident should have been simply ignored, despite occurring a few feet away from you, is bizarre.
Other than one response no one is saying they would just ignore it. Filming it is the issue.
It wouldnt be my first reaction to start videoing.
How do you know it was footflaps first reaction?
There is no evidence that footflaps filmed anything gruesome. The idea that the whole incident should have been simply ignored, despite occurring a few feet away from you, is bizarre.
You dont need to ignore the event, and indeed talking it through with Auntie Ethal may help you deal with what was an unusual 'traumatic' event.
However why film someone who is clear vulnerable in having a mental health crisis, to show to Auntie Ethal, its not her business, or Op's to be spreading info about someone's situation.
At which point do you think footflaps should have stopped watching before going away to check what was on the telly?
The point at which it started to feel a bit distasteful to keep watching, given what was going on.
The idea that the whole incident should have been simply ignored, despite occurring a few feet away from you is bizarre.
Indeed, which is why no-one, even me the arch antivideo-er, has actually said that. There is, however, a point at which obvious curiosity becomes morbid rubbernecking.
However why film someone who is clear vulnerable in having a mental health crisis
I have just re-read the OP in case I had misunderstood footflaps intentions. Having done so it seems very clear to me that his primary interest was how the police conducted themselves, which he described as "very professional".
I got the impression that he felt he was filming a police operation, not someone having a mental health crisis.
The title of the thread speaks of armed police protocol, which suggests that was the primary interest.
However why film someone who is clear vulnerable in having a mental health crisis
I honestly can’t be arsed reading back but I think he was talking about and filming the police response. Don’t recall talk from the OP about sharing anything with anyone either. Just seemed like praise for professional behaviour from the police. It’s not like he’s started a thread entitled ‘Lolz at the nutcase next door” and proceeded to post a video.
We live in an age where a lot of individuals and the state film everything that happens.
Once again, the usual suspect can't let a thread pass without seeing an opportunity to turn it into his own personal argument.
FWIW I'm with IHN. Take a look by all means but filming is just in poor taste, especially if it's a regular enough occurrence to have police turn up. Leave the poor bugger alone to enjoy whatever dignity he has. Yes it's legal but legality is just the bare minimum.
I bet you filmed in portrait too.
It was a genuine enquiry. OP has gone 🤐 but would like to know motivation rather than speculation.
Well the OP did get a very long and comprehensive answer to his questions from yosemitepaul who was an AFO and manned an armed response vehicle for twenty years, which I guess was all that he was after.
Ok, to add to Yosemitepaul; I’ve added the “criteria for arming” below: when you read this the most important thing you should consider is the threshold level of the deployment of armed Police as “reason to suppose”, which is an incredibly low threshold. To clarify deployment of armed resources is VERY different to Police use of a firearm, such as a discharge.
“Otherwise so dangerous” is key here too. It can cover a huge number of scenarios/incidents from a person deliberately using a vehicle as a weapon to someone self harming or attempting suicide.
”Where an officer authorising the deployment has 'reason to suppose' that officers may have to protect themselves or others from a person who is in possession of, or has immediate access to, a firearm or other potentially lethal weapon, or is otherwise so dangerous that the deployment of armed officers is considered to be appropriate, or as an operational contingency in a specific operation, or for the destruction of animals which are dangerous or are suffering unnecessarily.”
Do you live opposite Dave Jenvey?
