Rightwing radio host and anti-vaxxer dies of Covid. Dick Farrel was a vociferous critic of Dr Anthony Fauci and urged people not to get vaccinated.
That's an interesting article ^^^
I've been feeling for some time that the (repeated!) gleeful celebration (schadenfreude, I suppose) when an anti-vax / Covid-denying sod dies due to Covid is very distasteful. But I'm also coming to realise it's probably counter-productive. The good guys need to be accepting of former anti-vaxxers and deniers and welcome them back into reasonable society - not castigate them (and others like them) further.
Another anti-lockdown protest is happening now - you'd think the fact that there is no lockdown might deter them, but no....
Are they expecting trouble? There's quite a few people wearing what appear to be bump caps. The big lad seems keen to keep his gloves on too.
I've a cousin who describes herself as a "sceptic", she's adamant that she's not getting the vaccine because she's got a friend who is an "ecologist" who she trusts who has advised against it. I did suggest that perhaps a virologist or an epidemiologist would be better placed to advise but that one fell on deaf ears. Another friend is a nurse in Brisbane who got laid off just before the pandemic, who has asserted that a) The virus is a hoax, b) The virus is a symptom of 5g internet, c) The virus isn't a hoax but only kills 0.001% of infected people etc...what's interesting is that the scepticism with this one seems to evolve over the months and is anything else but a lethal respiratory virus that's killed members of my own family.
I'm seeing a large overlap on twitter and IRL with Brexiteers, anti-vaxxers, flat-Earthers, climate change sceptics and pro-Trumpers who believe in QANON and conspiracy theorists in general. Some people seem to be especially vulnerable to the guff that's being amplified by graduates of the University of YouTube. After five years of having to sympathetically endure the lowest common denominator I'm so done with these people to the point that if they're intent upon jeopardising their own health I just wish that they'd get on with it and leave everyone else alone.
Funny earlier in that video Piers Corbyn getting lots of hassle for taking supposed AZ hush money in that sting video, oops!
I’m seeing a large overlap on twitter and IRL with Brexiteers, anti-vaxxers, flat-Earthers, climate change sceptics and pro-Trumpers who believe in QANON and conspiracy theorists in general.
I think that's true but I am acquainted with quite a lot of alternative/festival type people who would traditionally be on the kind of left/anarchist part of the political spectrum are buying into it too. Partly aligned with the whole 'wellness' type anti-vax movement etc as well - 'you don't need vaccines just these crystals and this turmeric tea'.
‘you don’t need vaccines just these crystals and this turmeric tea’.
... which we're selling.
Another anti-lockdown protest is happening now
Jesus that's nauseating.
Hang on. Something didn't sit right with that and it's just hit me.
They're protesting against the BBC. Outside the BBC Television Centre. Which closed like a decade ago?
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Also they don’t see the irony in protesting about the “MSM” but get their info from YouTube one of the biggest media sources on the planet
Still there, it's a contract production company place now. The studios, etc., are available for companies to hire and produce their own output. ITV now broadcast live from BBC TV centre (although they only call it Television Centre now)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_Centre,_London
If you want to argue with conspiracy theorists, give this forum a shot for a change of topic
https://doppels.proboards.com/board/1/celebrity-doppelgangers
Yes, the url tells you what you need to know
Still there, it’s a contract production company place now. The studios, etc., are available for companies to hire and produce their own output. ITV now broadcast live from BBC TV centre (although they only call it Television Centre now)
But...who's looking after the Blue Peter Garden?
Les Ferdinand
If you want to argue with conspiracy theorists, give this forum a shot for a change of topic
Jesus H Corbett, who chose that colour scheme? My eyes! Come back Geocities, all is forgiven.
Les Ferdinand
I used to work with a guy who had played a couple of first team games for West Ham in his teens before a leg injury ended his career. He reckoned he'd been there as well, but I didn't believe him, till we were in a pub one night and Les Ferdinand rang him on his mobile for a proper matey chat.
To the anti-vaxxers, you're welcome to your views but keep them to yourselves.
Stop spreading your ignorant, uninformed, dangerous lies; for those who continue I hope you catch covid, curl up in a corner and well y'know.
Stop spreading your ignorant, uninformed, dangerous lies
I’m kinda with you on this
If you were foolish enough not to get the vaccine as you believed some nonsense on the internet then I actually have a fair bit of sympathy for you. The stories of dying Americans begging for the vaccine only to be told it’s now too late is heartbreaking
People who actively promote anti vax sentiment however, the people like that aforementioned radio host who has cost lives with their ill informed views, well tbh I don’t really have a lot of sympathy for them.
Yes - While I agree that, in order to "convert" more anti-vaxxers, we need to leave the door open by not pointing and laughing when they finally (FINALLY) see sense........ I also think it's possible to discern between people being victims of disinformation/scaremongering/conspiracy theories, and those who are responsible for it.
The former will receive my sympathy (actually I think pity is probably a better word) - whereas I would love to see the latter be confronted with the consequences of their actions. How many covid deaths are the altright trumpist mouthpieces each directly responsible for?
5,000 deaths? 10,000? At the point you go on TV and tell people not to have their vaccine - surely its in the tens of thousands? Hearing these people's deathbed covid vaccine regrets is absolutely heartbreaking - but I would love to hear one of them say: "I didn't have the vaccine because Tucker Carlson told me not to"
Agree with the sentiments above. There's the gullible and the sociopaths.
I've not yet seen an anti-vaxxer or anti-lockdown proponent make a deathbed statement that their ultimate sacrifice was worth it to avoid vaccine side effects or keep the economy open. I may be doing someone a disservice.
To the anti-vaxxers, you’re welcome to your views but keep them to yourselves.
Stop spreading your ignorant, uninformed, dangerous lies; for those who continue I hope you catch covid, curl up in a corner and well y’know.
Well obviously it does happen, and there are some newspaper storis of anti vaxx who really really wished they'd taken the vaccine, usually as they are croaking out their final days.
They blame all and sundry, the anti vaxx mob themselves, even though they were an integral part of it.
I expect though that the anti vaxx groups reading this will put these individuals as some sort of government plants, offered a nice funeral and compensation to loved ones if they go on record of being anti vaxx and saying how wrong they were.
The darwin awards arent just for people who think its a fab idea to strap a rocket to the back of their pick up.
And even that was an urban myth.
I do wonder about darwinism here - I was going to post words to this effect on the Trump thread.
Certainly in the US there is an almost perfect correlation between being a Trumpist and being an antivaxxer/covid denier. I wonder if deaths/serious illness is going to leave a mark in the polls in some counties/states?
^ the amazing irony is that in the "I am legend" book (which, unlike the film, is fantastic) the vampirism is actually caused by a global pandemic.
No one argues with covidiots quite as eloquently as this guy.
"If you push us too far, you gonna have to attend this ass-whipping." Brilliant.
^ that guy is amazing, and should be in charge of the entire pandemic response. In fact everything, just put him in charge of everything.
Step away from Facebook. That's the problem.
I am an anti-vaxxer and I believe everybody should be entitled to their opinion, especially on a forum
Thank you for stepping forward with your view.
Do you mind if I ask whether you are against all vaccines..... or just the covid ones?
I ask because maybe I can provide you some specific info on the safety/effectiveness of the covid ones - I work in drug development. If it's all vaccines, then I'm probably fighting a losing battle from the outset, and probably shan't bother (sorry - no offence)
Whether you believe that what the government is doing is "coercion" or "encouraging people to do the right thing to prevent people dying" is fundamentally linked to whether you believe that the vaccine (or vaccines generally) work - so unless you are prepared to share your view on that, then there's not much to discuss here really.
I’m not going into why I’m not getting vaxxed because that’s my choice not to
Fine, but people who are vaccinated have the right to not associate with you. That means that pubs, restaurants, etc. have the right to ban anti-vaxxers and schools have the right to refuse to enroll the children of anti-vaxxers. So, sure, enjoy your choice, but do it without imposing your choice on people who have made a different choice. Also, if you do develop a serious case of covid, die at home instead of taking a hospital bed from someone who isn't dying of something they could have avoided by getting a vaccine.
Fine, but people who are vaccinated have the right to not associate with you. That means that pubs, restaurants, etc. have the right to ban anti-vaxxers and schools have the right to refuse to enroll the children of anti-vaxxers. So, sure, enjoy your choice, but do it without imposing your choice on people who have made a different choice. Also, if you do develop a serious case of covid, die at home instead of taking a hospital bed from someone who isn’t dying of something they could have avoided by getting a vaccine
That's absolutely fine, I agree.. segregate us all. segregation, we all know how that turned out. But I agree with you & segregation. vaxxed and unvaxxed should get their own schools, pubs, restaurants that's a great idea. Let's even have an anti vaccined hospitals. Would you agree with this?
If not.. then I still agree but with just one basis, you all pay for it yourselves. If the anti vaxxed are banned from such places then you/government shouldn't get our taxes.
Thank you for stepping forward with your view.
Do you mind if I ask whether you are against all vaccines….. or just the covid ones?
Thanks. 'all vaccines' is such a broad term but I guess you could say I am against it all yes. The fact that it just isn't natural concerns me. If you work in drug development then you are the perfect person for me to ask a question to.
Just two examples, and I don't even want to know the detailed answers. Do you know the chemical make up of the covid vaccines? And also the flu vaccines? Because I am in agreement on the view that of people don't know what's in a vaccine, why on earth are they having them? I do not know the chemical make up of any vaccines and I'm pretty sure 99% of society doesn't either.. including doctors.
If not.. then I still agree but with just one basis, you all pay for it yourselves.
Yep, exactly. Let anti-vaxxers pay to build their own hospitals and try to find enough ant-vax doctors and nurses to staff them. Let them pay to build their own schools and staff them with ant-vax teachers and admin staff, if they can find enough. And let them build their own supermarkets and restaurants and everything else. If they want to pay for it all, good for them. Just don't force any doctors, nurses, supermarket workers, bus drivers, or anyone else who believes in science to interact with them if they don't want to.
But that's not what anti-vaxxers actually want. They want to make their choice but not pay the costs of it. They want their kids to be allowed to attend regular school and they want to be allowed to go to the same bars and restaurants as everyone else.
Do you know the chemical make up of the covid vaccines? And also the flu vaccines?
Do you know the chemical make up of most of the things you eat and drink, and the clothes you wear, and the soaps and detergents you use, and so on? No, of course you don't, that would be utterly impossible to do. What we do know is that there are regulatory agencies who test products for safety. No, of course it's not absolutely 100% foolproof, but modern products are very, very safe compared to even a century ago. I have a general idea about how medicines are developed and tested and I trust that process well enough that I don't have to research the chemical make-up of every medicine I take.
I also think it’s possible to discern between people being victims of disinformation/scaremongering/conspiracy theories, and those who are responsible for it.
For me there needs to be legal consequences for those influencing others to take decisions that provably then causes harm.
Free speech has never been a true free for all, it should have a caveat that you take responsibility for your actions.
But that’s not what anti-vaxxers actually want. They want to make their choice but not pay the costs of it. They want their kids to be allowed to attend regular school and they want to be allowed to go to the same bars and restaurants as everyone else.
If the vaccines work, and do its job then why would anybody who has had the vaccine be worried about any person who hasn't been vaccinated? Makes absolutely no sense to me what the problem is.
Do you know the chemical make up of most of the things you eat and drink, and the clothes you wear, and the soaps and detergents you use, and so on? No, of course you don’t, that would be utterly impossible to do. What we do know is that there are regulatory agencies who test products for safety. No, of course it’s not absolutely 100% foolproof, but modern products are very, very safe compared to even a century ago. I have a general idea about how medicines are developed and tested and I trust that process well enough that I don’t have to research the chemical make-up of every medicine I take.
Thanks for answering my question. So the answer is no. No you don't know the chemical make up of the vaccines you willingly take, yet you expect other people to do the same as you, take things only a very small minority of people know what it truly is.
If you put your life, trust in government agencies great, but how dare anybody moan and criticize other people who have real doubts over their life and safety and decide they don't want to be injected with unknown substances by agencies the government give jobs to.
I do not know the chemical make up of any vaccines and I’m pretty sure 99% of society doesn’t either.. including doctors.
Yeh, a not too dissimilar similar % also do t understand the full composition of a potato either.
Of the many thousands of varieties, all with varying quantities of amylose, amylopectin, phytochemicals, polyphenols, etc etc. The chances of meeting someone with a full grasp of the composition of what they're eating is going to be infitessimally small.
For me there needs to be legal consequences for those influencing others to take decisions that provably then causes harm.
This will never happen, which is unfortunate. As the ones who would have to debate and put this to law and order would be the very people who spend their lives doing it for a living!
What is your objection bliss?
Are you happy to be refused service as a result?
you have the choice to refuse the vaccine. We have the choice to shun your plague ridden arse
If the vaccines work, and do its job then why would anybody who has had the vaccine be worried about any person who hasn’t been vaccinated?
No vaccine for Covid is 100% whether that protection against death or serious illness. The results from trials and studies of vaccinated populations are freely available. Very surprised you would even think the risk would be zero for a subject matter you have an interest in.
