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How would it be aimed at gaming? It's not a VR headset, it's an AR headset.
AR, for sit-down focused working is a unique application so far, I think.
I bet a flight sim or similar would be pretty awesome to play with that kind of tech in the headset!
The best gaming application would be sitting in a cardboard cockpit with all the knobs and switches in place but blank panels for the windows and screens, and then having the game project onto them.
Every device has nearly made me sick within a minute so curious to see if this is the one that actually works
This is a completely different thing. You can still see the real world, just with other virtual stuff project into space. So you won't get motion sick any more than you would with goggles on.
Seems like a mix of the two to me. AR means no headset for starters. Apple thing can also be blown up to encompass all your field of vision so would therefore be VR. It’s Apple though so it’s basically a really expensive Fisher Price toy
It’s not a VR headset, it’s an AR headset.
It seems to be both.
of course. It’s very new. You need a bit of “vision” to see the potential. We all know someone who said they’d never get a mobile phone, then smartphone, then iPad/tablet etc. 😂 I would bet money that this kind of thing eventually becomes as ubiquitous as headphones are now, especially as they get smaller/more discreet/more affordable. We’re in the very very early days remember.just seems very edge use.
I think the fact that it’s launching with a pro level model is interesting. Sure, lots of people buy pro level Apple stuff as a status symbol, but as far as the company is concerned, it’s marketed at content creators and developers.
I suspect that after it’s launched we’ll find out what it’s used for, and then the normal level model will come out which is optimised for those use cases.
of course. It’s very new. You need a bit of “vision” to see the potential.
Doesn’t seem that different from existing headsets that have been around for a fair while and don’t cost £3k. Most of them can do a lot of what this one can. It’ll be a muggers paradise if they do take off and make cycling, walking and driving interesting 😂
It’s very new. You need a bit of “vision” to see the potential.
Or to have watched any sci-fi related TV show or movie in the last couple of decades. It's a nice tool and a solid pitch but it's. not that revolutionary.
I'd be interested to see how far away stuff looks. Doesn't exactly look like it has lenses on it? In my old-tech cheap PSVR headset, you look through two big fat convex lenses that allow your eyes to focus on things on-screen as if they were distant. If this thing is transparent then your eyes would look huge from the outside. However, it would be very easy on your eyes in terms of strain.
I watched the MKBHD on this. Whilst I don't necessarily see the point, I came away from watching the video with a lot less skepticism. It looks really cool tech, and super interesting - particularly the handoff from your Mac allowing you to do work with it.
I guess it will depend on how developers take to it, but we haven't seen Apple really fail at new devices in the past couple of decades (iPod/Phone/watch/Airpods).
Doesn’t seem that different from existing headsets that have been around for a fair while and don’t cost £3k. Most of them can do a lot of what this one can. It’ll be a muggers paradise if they do take off and make cycling, walking and driving interesting
Wake up at the back and pay attention! It’s not opaque, you see through the front lens, the information is projected onto what you see in front of you and to the sides - people can sneak up on you, in the same way they can without them, or if you’re wearing sunglasses, or headphones; even more so with headphones!
Where I can see these really becoming useful is for architects, engineers, people working in large spaces where having detailed information overlaid on what they’re looking at with others able to link in and see the same info and contribute in real time.
What this is is pretty much what William Gibson was thinking of with the technology in ‘Neuromancer’, and even more so with ‘Virtual Light’, the first of the ‘Bridge’ series. ‘Neuromancer’ was published in the early 80’s, thirty-odd years ago. We’re just catching up.
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Wake up at the back and pay attention! It’s not opaque, you see through the front lens, the information is projected onto what you see in front of you and to the sides
Wake up at the back and pay attention!? Really?
You're wrong. It is opaque. You do not see through the front lens.
The displays inside can project what the cameras on the outside see, so it can appear you are "looking through the front lens", but you are not.
The eyes you see on the front are presented on a display on the front of the device via the internal cameras that are there to track your eye movements.
Yup, it’s not a mix of transparent glass plus screen… it’s all screen.
The real time capturing and rendering of your environment plus anything else is what’s exciting here… the environment fully informs what you see, and can be transformed not just “projected onto”… this is going to be nuts eventually. The fact that anything seen by it can be a controller is exciting as well… the example is your hands… but no reason this can’t be tools at some point… drumsticks was the first thing I thought of.
That’s a seriously impressive piece of technology. I want one but that’s not going to happen.
You could buy a nice bike for £2.5k and get some real reality. VR not for me thanks.
You could buy a nice bike for £2.5k and get some real reality. VR not for me thanks.
Eh?
It's not an either/or thing. VR doesn't replace life, it's just a fun way of playing video games or, in this case, working.
Fun way of working? Nope, doesn’t make sense.
It’s pretty obvious that it’s too radical for a lot of people to comprehend, and some people will make their minds up without even trying it. Reminds me of my mum when I wanted to get Internet as a kid, she was dead against it despite never having used it or really understanding it 🤦♂️ Can’t get her off it now in her 80s now she’s used to it and sees all the benefits 😀
You could buy a nice bike for £2.5k and get some real reality. VR not for me thanks.
How much is an F1 car? Or even a go in one? It’s escapism, sometimes real reality sucks.
And how nice, really? 😈
I like this.
I own a VR headset, it's an ancient PSVR that I paid £120 for. I just bought a bike for £1600, two years ago I bought one for £2k, I own 8 bikes (although 2 I need to shift). I don't think my priorities are wrong? Except perhaps the needless consumerism of bikes?
Fun way of working? Nope, doesn’t make sense.
Having huge virutal monitors is what I was talking about. I would like that. It would make working easier I think.
Launch date just announced for Feb 2. Gutted it's US-only, not cos I can afford to buy one, but I'd love to demo it in an Apple store!
Current rumour is there'll be some kind of superbowl tie-in, given that they now run the halftime show that sounds plausible and could be a very cool demo of its capabilities!
Apparently due to supply issues they're only going to be able to make 400k units this year, would not be surprised if they sell all of those on pre-order tbh, but I think realistically it'll be a while (years?) before you can call it a success/failure either way given that it's such a new concept for the mainstream market - especially as it's full potential (from 3rd party developers) is probably a way off also. Really interested to hear what people who've spent their own money on it think about it though!
I think it's going to go the same way as the 'Metaverse.'
+1 would rather be outside riding my bike. The real world is far more interesting than some online Tech Bro Circlejerksville rendered in PS1-quality graphics.
+1 would rather be outside riding my bike.
Why does it have to be one or the other? I assume you don't ride your bike 24 hours a day?
been dipping in and out of VR since you could buy it, think early occulus
the tech on the headset is impressive, BUT everything that was shown on it i have tried out at some point, ie big cinema, virtual monitors... its stuff that no one seems to actually do
they use VR at home for games and p**n
I'm sure it can do the latter
but being as it wont work on a high end gaming PC, the actual gaming potential is being held back massively, yes macs can game, but not as well as a top end PC, especially when you can get flagship PC compatible headsets for half the price
native gaming on it, well you have proven devices at a percentage of the price out there (quest)
what it may do however is open up new ideas for developers, and get apple established
I think you're missing the point entirely tbh. Apple aren't trying to sell a product to existing VR users, they're trying to create an entirely new market with new uses, so yes, obviously no-one is doing this stuff with VR/AR [I]yet[/I] but this is what Apple are hoping to change. It's a big ask obviously, which is why I think it could take years before we know whether it's been successful or not (one of the main reasons is it'll take a while before the price comes down to the point where mass-adoption could even happen).its stuff that no one seems to actually dothey use VR at home for games
I don't think they really have much interest in (proper) gaming tbh. I know it's popular, but it's still extremely niche compared to the potential market they have for non-gaming use. But again, we'll see!
nonsense argument. You might not watch telly/sport/films etc or use a computer, but most people do, this is just a different way of doing things that most people already spend a fair amount of time doing.would rather be outside riding my bike. The real world is far more interesting