[Closed] Apple Airtag - Bike theft tracker??

You can already do this from the Find My app/web page, so prob thought it was unnecessary.

Well.... As long as you have a laptop or PC on you (or you have an A Watch) - which definitely isn't always.

Or I suppose you could use your phone.... Oh, wait 🤦🏻‍♂️

Form over function. They wanted it to look pretty so they ignored the fact that you have to buy an "accessory" to attach it to something without pockets (handy for their bank balance also).

They could have put a button on it but that would have spoilt the looks - although if they had done I'm sure it would have been the greatest thing ever 😉

Marques’ first look / hands on:

Good demo....

Good demo….

Yep, it was.

Although at the end when he compared it to an actual tag on your bag that has your name and phone number - I suddenly realised that the latter does exactly the same job without needing a phone to read it!
(This goes for Tiles, etc also)

So although cute, it's not exactly a game changer.
Their biggest benefit may be when they've been left somewhere that isn't public i.e. down the back of a cushion at your house!

So although cute, it’s not exactly a game changer.
Their biggest benefit may be when they’ve been left somewhere that isn’t public i.e. down the back of a cushion at your house!

update having received my AirTags on Friday and had a bit of a play about! The locator works great but seems to be blocked by walls and other things so LOS seems to be required to some extent (you'll notice in that unboxing video that was posted, the tracking starts from a reasonable distance BUT he's in a very open office/warehouse environment). So in real use it might be a case of using the beeper initially or just wandering around (it does tell you the last known position) until it picks up the UWB signal. Once it picks it up, it's really good giving you precise direction & distance.

The GF was running a 10k yesterday and since she doesn't have an iPhone I gave her (with her consent!!) one of the tags to track her progress. Worked well, I didn't have to put it into lost mode as was suggested, looks like other nearby iPhones were relaying the position, although it wasn't real time (longest interval was about 15 mins). It didn't freak out at any point, so if you COULD stash it somewhere unseen on your bike, I think it would work OK as a tracker, at least short term, which might be enough to get it back.

Disappointingly, no automation options exist yet 😭 I'll have to wait until either Apple add it via Siri Automations or some egghead updates the iCloud plugin for Home Assistant (or some other method emerges!) Hopefully just a matter of time, almost tempted to pick up a Tile now to do some automation stuff as got loads of ideas I want to try out 🤣

The locator works great but seems to be blocked by walls and other things

End of the day it's still bluetooth with the associated limitations.

almost tempted to pick up a Tile now to do some automation stuff as got loads of ideas I want to try out

If you do, go for the Tile Mate. Small, cheap and replaceable battery.

I was wondering about this very thing myself. But it seems the Airtags are a pretty useless product, other than being able to locate things which aren't really 'lost' in the first place. As a locator for stolen goods, though, it seems useless if it can be disabled and/or won't work if inside a building, basement etc.

I was wondering about this very thing myself. But it seems the Airtags are a pretty useless product, other than being able to locate things which aren’t really ‘lost’ in the first place. As a locator for stolen goods, though, it seems useless if it can be disabled and/or won’t work if inside a building, basement etc.

I’m not sure understood how they work. Let’s use the bag on the train scenario as per that video, I left my bag on train once. So, the bag has a tag on/in it, there’s 12 passengers sat nearby with phones. The Airtag will talk to their phones and the phone will report where it was last seen, I can look on phone and see it may be on the train. Then then bag gets handed in at a station, the staff have phones on them which are now able to send it’s location. Makes it easy for me to contact that station direct and arrange collection.

Makes it easy for me to contact that station direct and arrange collection.

Yes in that scenario it should work really well.

In the someone actively stealing something, it works up until they find the tag and disable it. Given most scrotes are pretty dim, I expect several will incriminate themselves with their own phones. Amazing how many local scrotes run off from the Police dropping wallet / phone etc. In one case someone ran off leaving their children behind.....

Yeah my daughter has her iPhone stolen, they took it to home and showed the police the location and a picture from Google maps of the property. They rang me as the officers arrived at the house. Rather unsurprisingly it wasn’t ringing and vanished off find my phone when they knocked on the door.

I've got a few Tiles which we use for finding keys and vice-versa phones in the house.

I've experimented with putting them in frames as security devices, but metal and carbon frames seem to be effective enough Faraday cages that it seemed pointless to me.

Someone on tinternet seems to epoxy them to a crank - would work, and *might* look like a cadence sensor/power meter I suppose, but replacement of device or battery problematic then of course.

Airtags would almost certainly be little different as presumably they use very similar, if not identical radio technology.

So I'm confused; can Airtags be disabled or not? Does someone need an iPhone to be able to do so?

So I’m confused; can Airtags be disabled or not? Does someone need an iPhone to be able to do so?

Yes they can but I'm not sure I see the issue - if you find an Airtag someone slipped into your bag to track you, there are fairly straightforward ways to disable it with extreme prejudice.

I see them as useful for things you lose - keys, work ID swipe card etc. Not so much for stuff that is stolen.

So I’m confused; can Airtags be disabled or not? Does someone need an iPhone to be able to do

Taking the battery out or hitting them with a brick will suffice.

there are fairly straightforward ways to disable it with extreme prejudice.

Pretty sure this would work very quickly.

I see them as useful for things you lose – keys, work ID swipe card etc. Not so much for stuff that is stolen.

To be fair to Apple, I don't think that they're marketing it as a anti-theft device are they?  If the scroute who steals your bike has an iPhone, as soon as he gets home, (supposing he takes the stole bike home) he'll get a notification that the bike has a tag on it, so presumably he'll look for it and destroy it.

To be fair to Apple, I don’t think that they’re marketing it as a anti-theft device are they?

No - I think you're right.

Pretty sure this would work very quickly

They're water resistant.

To be fair to Apple, I don’t think that they’re marketing it as a anti-theft device are they?

No. In fact, the stalking aspect I hadn't considered at all, but it's clear that Apple have given it some mititgation by adding specific features (like "There's an AirTag travelling with you" messaging to nearby phones) in order to make them less useful for stalking. Which also makes them less useful for tracking stolen items, unfortunately for us.

I suppose if you hide the AirTag well (E.g. deep in the downtube) it might encourage a thief to dump the bike when they find it's being tracked --> More chance of recovery.

Pretty sure this would work very quickly.

I don’t think they’re soluble.

They’re water resistant.

Damnit.... you're right (although only IP67 rating, making it dust and splash-resistant). Are they hammer-proof?

So this might still be a good idea, although reliant on the 'thief' not having an iPhone/not finding the tracker? I am finding the potential legal implications of all this quite intriguing.

This is a good review that goes into some depth on the anti-stalker/stolen items implementations:

https://uk.pcmag.com/mobile-phone-accessories/133131/apple-airtag

Apple's anti-stalking features are a little complex. If you have an iPhone with OS 14.5 or later and there is a "foreign" AirTag (one not paired with your device) traveling with you, Apple says you will get an alert at the end of the day or when you return to your home location as indicated in Apple Maps or Contacts. Otherwise, an AirTag separated from its owner will begin to beep after three days.

Couple of other useful bits of info from the review.

- They need to be within 30 feet of any iPhone in order to be on the FindMy network.

- The instructions on how to disable it basically just explain how to remove the battery

So this might still be a good idea, although reliant on the ‘thief’ not having an iPhone/not finding the tracker?

You'd still track it to his house which is probably where he's discover it. Most bike thieves are just opportunits and not the smartest bunch. If he took the battery out in his living room chances are his iPhone would have already relayed the location of the tag....

I'm not suggesting the tags are a fool proof stolen bike tracking system, but I suspect they'll work reasonable well given most scrotes will probably have stolen a top end iPhone before they steal a top end bike. Once the tag starts beeping its a bit of a give away but in theory you'd have discovered its location before that.

– They need to be within 30 feet of any iPhone in order to be on the FindMy network.

Maximum. Closer if walls are in the way.

You’d still track it to his house which is probably where he’s discover it.

You think?
You're making a few assumptions there.
Firstly that he's got an iPhone, secondly that he's never heard of airtags, thirdly the he's still got BT switched on and fourthly that he's not switched his phone's location tracking off.

Assuming all those things then maybe, yes.
But what are the chances?

I'm not sure you could rely on other people's phones either.
BT scans for devices and advertises it's presence about every 2.5 seconds (maybe longer given they want to make the coin battery last as long as possible) so there could be a period of 5+ seconds before a phone detects the airtag - at this point they would start making a connection and passing some data.... Which would take a little longer.
Presuming he's riding the bike then there's a good chance the tag may not be within range long enough for a phone to know what it is.
(If the bike has gone into the back of a van then chances are obviously slimmer).

There's a difference between {Apple} designing something to locate an item that's been lost and an item that's been stolen.
The former generally doesn't move a lot whilst the latter is actively trying to be hidden.

I left one in the van today when it went in to the shop. I can now see that it’s actually about 35 miles away, at a specialist repairer.

I had no idea that’s where it was going - but have left one discretely hidden in the van. It replaced a Tile, which has never, ever worked like that (too small a user base to be useful).

This popped up on Flipboard a short while ago, and I remembered this thread; this is the perfect subtle and usable mount for an AirTag on a bike:
https://www.cultofmac.com/743753/airtag-mount-reflector-bike-tracking/

Quite neat, reminds me I was going to buy some to play with. I was just going to glue one under my saddle....

latest from GP lama

Nice video but his methodology is a bit duff as he's using NFC for range, whereas it will be BT which will be used by 3rd party phones to detect the tracker. NFC is only engaged when you are searching for it as the owner.

NFC is only engaged when you are searching for it as the owner.

?
"Near-Field Communication (NFC) is a set of communication protocols for communication between two electronic devices over a distance of 4 cm (11⁄2") or less"

I agree that his methodology is suspect. He's started off right next to the tag and then walked away - a better test would have been to start from a distance and then walk towards the tag and see when it's picked up - or - stand still and have someone wheel or walk the bike past and then see what gets picked up.
I suspect it's somewhat less impressive than he {as a fan} is making out.

The airtag has two location modes, the one where it can direct the user to the device uses NFC (AIUI) and the one where it just knows its nearby and can make it beep uses Bluetooth.

He was using the 3D location mode which you have to manually engage. A stolen bike will be located using BT broadbasts from the tag, picked up by 3rd party phones,

Yeah it’s not NFC (the N is for “near” lol) it’s UWB. But agree that the test is a bit silly... it needs LOS so yes obviously the range will be most impressive in the middle of a park or whatever, but that’s not where you’re going to be using this function!
They are great devices though, had mine since launch and already saved me a frustrating few minutes searching on more than one occasion 🤣

Yeah it’s not NFC (the N is for “near” lol) it’s UWB.

That was it!

A much better test would have been to put the bike in a friend's house then walk past with an iPhone and see if it can pick up any of the tags from the street and see which ones it can find.

it needs LOS so yes obviously the range will be most impressive in the middle of a park or whatever, but that’s not where you’re going to be using this function!

Yep. His comment of "and it will go through walls"..... well, yes it will but the range will be significantly reduced - but let's not test that now because we don't want to mess up your lovely video!!
If the AT was truly an anti-theft device I think Apple would have marketed it as such.

Just announced today, looks the business...

https://eshop.v.vodafone.com/uk/curve-bike-light-and-gps-tracker

That Vodafone thing looks much more like, the down side is it looks very removable. Reading the description it looks more like its pitched at someone concerned with"strava" rather than a "stealer"

Yeah, I'd much prefer something hidden, I've seen another product that is a bar-end plug
https://www.rutlandcycling.com/accessories/electronics/sherlock-bar-end-gps-location-anti-theft-tracker__491036?currency=GBP&chosenAttribute=SHERLOCK&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6cXQ16z78AIVELTVCh3rGQN0EAQYASABEgLnMvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Tracker battery life up to 4.5 days on standby

Bit poor!

Looked at the Vodafone Curve thing for dog tracking, it got shocking reviews.
reckon ill get a couple of airtags and they look like a cheap and fairly reliable way of finding lost stuff.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60004257

Who'da thunk it?!