[Closed] Anyone given up their P since the ”upgrade”?

it does, but its still not as user friendly as the list of threads youve posted in where you can see when the last reply was, who it was by, and go straight to it.

><span style="color: #444444; line-height: 15.360000610351563px; background-color: #fbfbfb;">The forum will be fixed soon enough</span>

I get the impression they are completely out of their depth.

I think it has improved...still a few things to iron out but it seems better - less ads for a start. I'm sure it'll improve with some time as it'll still be new (believe it or not, most things get learnt properly once they are live and in proper use).

I never was a P though, I'm happy being used to generate ad revenue with all my daily visits, they probably make more from me that way than by me paying a P.

Same here. No buttons etc. Can't be arsed to work out how to screenshot and post it.

I’m happy being used to generate ad revenue with all my daily visits, they probably make more from me that way than by me paying a P.

Aside: Mark once said how many more subscribers they needed in order to do away with adverts completely.  I don't remember the exact figure now and probably couldn't disclose it anyway, but it was an order of magnitude fewer than I'd have guessed.

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If the forum was permanently like this I might see the point but this is temporary, so no.

The current state of affairs is shite but a) it’s not supposed to be like this and b) It won’t be forever so.

It's been temporarily like this for quite some time. Quoting is still messed up.

I’ll be giving up my P. Not just because of the forum but I don’t really read the mag now either.
Combined its just bollox.

Same here. No buttons etc. Can’t be arsed to work out how to screenshot and post it.

It's fine, we're aware.  Cheers though.

I think the mag is better than it's been for a good few years, so the 'P' makes sense.

The fewer, bigger, more diverse issues thing seems to be working well.

No fun at the moment on here though.

How is it that a business, whose business is the forum, can mess this up so much ?

FFS, test it first before rolling it out on your customers.

Makes you look unprofessional and creates the impression you treat your audience as either gullible, accepting of poor standards or irelevant.

You have a finite amount of goodwill that takes years to build up and moments to lose.

There's a 'u' in favourite btw.

<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;"> but this is temporary</span>

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Well it's not like they're doing it deliberately.

They must be losing money at the moment and still have staff to pay.

I imagine it's being dealt with as quickly as possible.

Drac - that messed up 80s nonsense is exactly the kind of inconsistency that's been moaned about for years. Some folk can stay logged in, others not. Some folk (me) had a load of paragraph markers randomly spawning around their post, others not. Some folk see that, others don't. Some get something causing the site to run painfully slows, others don't.

I'm no web developer but even I recognise it takes a special kind of mistake to make one site so wildly inconsistent. Christ only knows what gremlins are lurking in the database causing certain things to happen when all the planets align.

And temporary? How many years did everyone wait for this upgrade? I have to wonder just how awful it would really be to torch the place and just start anew with a modern off the shelf system with modern features that actually works without shitting the bed every other day.

That's exactly what I get on my page Drac. No idea what's going on but It's been like that since the site was 1st closed for 'maintenance'

Any Ideas?

There’s a ‘u’ in favourite btw.

We know.  It's on the list.

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Can we keep this on topic please?  If it's going to become another bug report / complaint-fest I'll close it as a duplicate, we have a sticky for that.  Ta.

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I've never actually bought or read the magazine, so I kind of feel that a Premier subscription would be wasted on me.

Besides, I like to think I support the forum through posting unique content that you won't find anywhere else on the internet.

I'd think you'd not be unreasonable to stop paying (at least for the time being). It seems like it's been weeks since it's been working properly, so it's obviously not much of a priority.

Not yet but I have thought about it and posted on the pinned thread. The truth is I pay to support the magazine and would do so even if the forum disappeared. I was a subscriber long before I knew the forum existed.

We’re all unique, in our own way 🤡

I like the mag, I don’t subscribe to it because I’m not really an mtber.. but I like the content and if I’m on a train station and a long journey it’s often the mag I go seek out first.. then I look dull tome...

When it all settles down, which I’m sure it will.. then maybe we could have a party.. DezB could bring the music, I bring my own beer, all we need is fancy dress..

I own a fancy dress.😅

@essel

Bring Bring, the 1990s called - they want their shitty IRC chatrooms back

Anyway, don't complain too much - my username was "disappeared" during the upgrade purge.

I wasn't entirely serious about the 'u', but glad to know it's been noted.

Magazine and website are pretty crap. I have a digital sub to support the forum.

squirrelking

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wait till it’s fixed?

Oh, you. You crack me up. This is the only forum I know that is more broken after an upgrade than it was before and considering the state it was in that took some doing. But hey, as long as people are stupid enough to fork out money to support this nonsense and then feel superior about it then this is what we can expect.

There certainly are real inconsistencies in the problems members have on here, though, the <span> spam thing for example, and I’m not even sure what you need to do to get that show up in a post!
I’ve not had it happen, and, apart from the buttons to save the hassle of manually tapping in the code to quote, or make text bold, italic, etc and drop in photos, it all looks pretty good.
It’s loading fairly quickly for me now as well, so things seem to be getting sorted.
Not even seeing lots of ads, which don’t bother me anyway. Sort the html buttons, and I’m peachy.
Can’t speak for anyone else, though, obviously.
Oh, I do like being able to directly use emoji from my pad’s keyboard, nice touch. 😬

 and I’m peachy

Thank the lord for AutoCorrect 😉

Nearly gave away my other login there.

I am really missing the replies bit

Click the # link under the posts in Forums / Replied to in your profile.

That just takes you to your own post, which you’ve just seen in full anyway. What I want to see in my profile is if there are any more posts. I don’t want to have to click more times to find that out, although I suspect that is probably the idea.

No that’s not the idea, it will return but at the moment that’s the work around.

That messed up 90’s nonsense hasn’t been around for years squirrelking whatever that is Essel has is damn weird.

"I’m in credit since grit.cx died on its arse"

It's finished has it? That's no surprise. I got the free copy of the magazine with my ST subscription. What a load of rubbish. Then I looked at the forum - dead. It could have been such a good thing.
I gave up my ST 'P' my year ago. It isnt missed.

I never said it was. I said that sort of inconsistency has, I even gave a list of examples spanning both forum versions.

Is it too much to expect people to read on here?

CZ, not going anywhere thanks, I live in hope someone eventually pulls a finger out from where it is apparently jammed and finally rolls out something worth supporting. This place is a business, not a charity or even an enthusiasts site, and people would do well to remember that. that it can't get someone to competently manage the forum is frankly ridiculous. Bigger sites than this survive with better forums and less advertising. Go look at skyscrapercity, one of the biggest forums on the internet (unlike this place it made it onto the XKCD map of the internet) to see what I mean.

I've kept mine out of blind hope and faith. But I'd say i read and post about 20% of the amount i used to. If it doesn't improve, i will bin the P.

I keep thinking I ought to cancel it. I rarely use the forum these days, when I do it’s ridiculously frustrating. It’s such a trivial amount I may as well leave it though.

@squirrelking - the inconsistencies are weird. I don't get any means (on desktop or iPad) to insert smileys/emojis or whatever the flavour of the month is whereas others do. I can't paste text into a reply without getting the <span> detritus whereas others clearly can.

I always said I’d go full P when a few things on the forum were fixed. Just simple things like auto select quotes and a useable mobile version.

The wait continues I guess.

"whatever that is Essel has is damn weird."

It's probably just me Drac. I've had manflulurgiecold since new year & even that's weird for me!
Any ideas what I can try or shall I just wait?

(PS I'm on a laptop with Windaz but It looks the same on my IPad)

I haven't renewed - it's too screwed up now - I can't see threads I commented on - I can see replied to but can't get to the thread.

There was a page of threads you were suppossed to be involved in but it just showed BS, so instead of fixing it they've just removed it.

Have to say that the attitude of the devs, from my far-away view, appears to be completely unprofessional and, basically, incompetant.

It's unusable enough that I can barely be bothered anymore

The 'upgraded' forum is a bit of a Brexit, isn't it? What is the forum coding equivalent of revoking Article 50?

Depends what kind of border style you want.

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>The ‘upgraded’ forum is a bit of a Brexit, isn’t it?

Well post (real) Brexit, we'll be well adapted to everything being completely shit.

I have to login regularly and the formatting issue is a pain in the arse making some threads unreadable.

I don't really read the hard copy mag anymore. It kinda goes from letter box to living room to recycling without ever being read. If I get chance I'll try and feedback to the team why this is, it wouldn't be fair of me to criticise without backing up the reasons why. I've never really utilised the digital facility for reading the mag so wouldn't miss that.

I do feel that the forum has lost it's spark. Don't get me wrong, there is still some funny stuff occasionally and my requests for advice and help have been a goldmine. However the general "feeling" is more sterile. I don't know if it is due to key characters/ contributors leaving and not being replaced or something else, but I feel that there is a definite staleness. Maybe it's just past it's sell by date, not everything lasts forever.

To answer the OP, not yet but on my list of unnecessary expenditure, it's definitely up there.

I've been here since pretty much the beginning and been a subscriber for most of that time.  I've now turned off the auto renew and won't be turning it back on unless it gets sorted.

There are plenty of forums out there that don't:

Log me out randomly, sometimes whilst typing a post

Make the log in button the last thing that loads, which on my slow broadband could be a couple of         minutes.

Redirect me to spam and porn sites even when logged in.

Allow me to post photos which don't randomly reformat themselves.

Allow me to quote without all the formatting crap.

Allow me to zoom on a mobile so I can actually see photos etc

Make me pay for a premium service so I can use the site without adverts which take so long to load     the site is unusable.

Have a function to let me go straight to the last post I saw in a thread.

Let me easily see if a thread I have commented on has been replied to.

Etc.

When these issues are raised, they are either ignored, or there is a passive aggressive response along the lines of "look it's really complicated and you can never understand how complicated it is but when it's done it'll be brilliant".  The exception of course is from Drac and Cougar who frankly deserve a medal.  Or a beer - give me a shout if you come up to Scotland!  It may well be complicated, I know nothing about IT, but pretty much every other website and forum out there manages to do it so much better than this.  Of course this is nothing new, the "new inproved" website has been "coming soon" since about 2006, but each update has been worse, not better so I don't have a great deal of faith that it will be brilliant when it's done.

The irony of course it that the content I come here for comes from forum members, not the owners or journalists paid by STW.  The magazine is very "samey" with its features these days, and the articles on the website seem to be very much based around press releases or are badly written.  For example the review of the Funn pedals uses the word "<span style="color: #444444;"><span style="font-size: 13.2px;">concsidered", and the phrase "least smoothest".  Does anyone proof read the text?</span></span>

I'll very much miss this place if it does fall by the wayside, but unless this is fixed very soon I really fear that it'll die down in the same way that most other MTB forums have done.

If this is a taste of post Brexit Britain, even us remoaners were too optimistic!

Im sure the stw 🐹 will find their legs again

Despite the current forum glitches, i'll be keeping my P - the mag is my preferred bog literature.

My credit card expired shortly so my P didn't renew, this was shortly before the upgrade. I'm not bothering to renew for now. I assumed that the forum was essential to the business, perhaps not as it's a shambles now.