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Not on dual carriageway means you were significantly over the speed limit. Maybe man up and pay up. Then slow down for the rest of us.
It’s got F all to do with high horses, halo polishing or being self righteous - and everything to do with taking it on the chin, showing some personal accountability and accepting the ensuing punishment or sanction when you've got it wrong.
I agree with the comment made earlier though - that the information supplied to the OP by the CSC has to be accurate and bare up to scrutiny.
Captain - happy to pay £60 fine
Was just asking the STW experts a question, is that what a forum is for? 😉
10% [b]under[/b] would be over estimating actual speed?! Unlike the Kate Middleton thread, I agree 100% with neal on this. A question for the op, do you own your car/pay for your own fuel? I reckon non ownership of cars has a huge effect on the way that people drive...obviously the op may own hi s own car etc but I still stand by my point.
Personally I fight every time, first thing check the equipment has been certified accurate recently, then the radio thing, they do intefere with the signal, that is if the notification was sent to exactly the correct address, (the mail service these days genuinely does fail to deliver stuff, was it recorded delivery/) ask to see the photograph proving it was actually you at the wheel (Only if you acknowledge receipt of the documentation).
Is the car registered with you or a third entity? e.g. Company car, I managed to get one of my reps off due to a dating error, it sounds like they may have made some sort of location error, so it could be worth getting a brief to look at it.
It's another form of taxation imv, so fight it every time. If it's old bill himself and a regular pull, fair cop and I'll hands up to it, but machine's and lazy arses sat in cars playing car billiards? **** em.
It's another form of taxation
Oh dear.
Oh dear.
Sorry flash heart, I had forgotten I wasn't allowed to post when you're around.
It won't happen again.
Unless you can prove I was on here and have been banned before I suggest you stop saying it.
He wasn't quoting you [s]elfin[/s] nuke proof.
Igrf, these things don't trigger if your under the speed limit so tough s**t, if your 32 in 30 then sorry but trying to blag it is no better than the whiplash folk who drive insurance up, just be responsible
anyway NPR, that last thread you were banging on (and on, and on ) at the guy who admitted to speeding, and was happy to take his lumps, he just asked whether to get 'em on his face or his ar5e.
this OP is actually trying to get out of a conviction.
the circumstances are different, and not because of the length of time the originator has been signed up.
personally i don't look to see when someone signed up to decide how i respond to their post. how paranoid do you have to be to check that?
I can still hear "clip clop clip clop" and as the man said he was just asking a question to which he assumed he would get a good old honest reply on here "whoops wrong sort of forum" 8O.
Have Nukeproofriding and Mikeconnor ever been seen in the same room/thread at the same time?
Hmmmm.
Doubtful, but has mikeconnor been banned? Did elfie have a personal issue with you flashy? I mean I've sussed that you are an upper class nobber, but other than that you seem pretty pleasant 🙂
😆
I have an issue with flashy 8) his snow sport thread is the best on this forum ever and for that reason I respect the fact that,it may take a while but one day he may just chose to ride a board 😉
one day he may just chose to ride a board
Consider my gauntlet thrown, sir! A duel, damn your eyes, a duel! 😉
(I wakeboard in the summer, but ski in the winter. Never a board. Imagine how hard it would be telling my parents! Pistols at dawn, however, are a year round speciality. )
I respect the fact that,it may take a while but one day he may just chose to ride a board
I bet he won't 🙂
And neither will I (not again anyway) had plenty of that malarkey and it planks all the way now !
BenHouldsworth - Member
Igrf, these things don't trigger if your under the speed limit so tough s**t, if your 32 in 30 then sorry but trying to blag it is no better than the whiplash folk who drive insurance up, just be responsible
Have you done much driving chum? The fast lane is nose to tail at 80 mph, it's been that way for I can't remember how long, motorway speed limits are the same now as they were in the sixties, before disk brakes, abs, wide tyres and heavens know how many additional safety features, not least the roads themselves.
It's a source of revenue, those cameras, and plod with the mobiles, and those of us that need licenses to work suffer the most from it. 'It' is also a machine accusing a human of an offence punishable by a fine and or considerable inconvenience. If, as i said before it were a Police officer going about his duty pursuing the offender, catchng him etc, then fair enough, but it's not like that is it?
It's nothing like whiplash, whiplash con artists drive up the cost of insurance for everyone, avoiding a camera issued speeding ticket, hurts no-one.
Most older cars' reading will be exaggerated as the cable stretches over time. New cars produce a more accurate reading.
Doubtful, seeing as the cable only spins.
I had two sp50s, didn't make much since to my premium tbh.
Fast lane is very rarely nose to tail at 80 between junstions 15-21 on the M6 whenever I've been on there (3 times a week for most of the past decade I had to cancel my cruise control at 65mph on there on Frida afternoon i know, wont somebody think of the children)I get that cars have improved since the sixties grump, but aren't there a few more cars around these days?
It's a source of revenue, those cameras, and plod with the mobiles, and those of us that need licenses to work suffer the most from it.
Well, if you need your licence to work, how about not speeding? I don't need mine so much, so I accept the risk of doing 80 on the motorway. If I get caught, fair cop. If your life is your licence, don't break the speed limit. Simple, really.
speed limits are the same now as they were in the sixties
Ah, halcyon days....My grandfather and his chums would race their E-types down the newly opened M1 for lunch at the RAC. Last one there stood the bill. Then, back home for a few at the Falcon. Again, last to the bar paid the bill.
Oh my god two skierists and a snowboarder trying to calm things down and treat forum dwellers with respect !!!!! This is it, next stop world peace ? NG,I have passed a van on the Tadcaster section of the 64 with Glover on it on my regular trip to Leeds but im sorry as I was doing 73.4 mph but it wont happen again 😀
Mines a black and orange Vito with My Name on the doors (and loads of other stuff)
You probably saw a red van with Glover on it ? (Plumbers)
There are specialist lawyers that advertise in all the bad bwoy car and motorcycle magazines that will do the technical bit for you.
I was caught in ban territory in 2001 on my motorcycle and when I went to court I turned up in a suit and grovelled. Not shirking my guilt but demonstrating that I recognized my error of judgement got me a 7 day ban and a chunky fine.
19mph over the speed limit isn't likely to get you a ban.
You broke the law.
Pay the fine and stop trying to weasel out.
APF
stumpynya12 - Member
Oh my god two skierists
There are skiers here? Why doesn't that surprise me. 😕
Skiers, football fans, roadies, no wonder everyone wants to pony up and pay their fines.
igrf, this "pony up" trash you're waffling about, do you mean, "Accept your punishment for transgressing the laws"?
Now, back to your earlier point about speeding fines being some sort of "tax" on poor, hard working souls like you - Do you really believe that? I mean, it's only a "tax" if you both break the law AND get caught. Now, as we know, there's an easy way to avoid both of those thing happening, and if your licence is so very vital as to be your life blood, I suspect you know what you should do. Odd that you haven't chosen to address that as yet here.....
Skiers, football fans, roadies, no wonder everyone wants to pony up and pay their fines.
I'm two out of three.
And as I pointed out earlier, I don't "pony up" anything because I rarely, if ever, drive over the speed limit.
You should give it a go too maybe ?
19mph over the speed limit isn't likely to get you a ban.
Didn't it used to be 30mph over for the automatic ban?
Skiers, football fans, roadies, no wonder everyone wants to pony up and pay their fines.
Basic but effective trolling. A lot you have to learn.
Just an easy way for the pigs to earn there points. And also tax. I got fined for doing 35mph by one of them camera van, miles away from civilisation! I think that is taking the piss! ...why do you never see them outside schools or built up areas where they should be!
" There are specialist lawyers that advertise in all the bad bwoy car and motorcycle magazinesthat will do the technical bit for you."
From the law reports I have read those lawyers specialise in taking large sums of cash off you and playing roulette with very suspect arguments you may well get lucky with a gum chewing copper who tells a silly fib and blows his credibility with a soft magistrate or you may well end up with the points or ban plus a few grand in prosecution and defense costs . Go to any high st criminal defense lawyer pay less and get better advise.
The court of appeal and the Criminal Procedure Rules have killed the loophole lawyer market.
Have you done much driving chum? The fast lane is nose to tail at 80 mph, it's been that way for I can't remember how long, motorway speed limits are the same now as they were in the sixties, before disk brakes, abs, wide tyres and heavens know how many additional safety features, not least the roads themselves.
Yes but in the sixties just under 8000 people a year were killed on the roads as opposed to the 2000 who die now. (& of course traffic levels were much lower. ) I take it you are suggesting that we go back to that sort of level of carnage so that you can utilise all the safety improvements over the last 40 years to get to the tail end of a traffic jam marginally quicker?
CLASSIC JUDAS !
Mis-spent youff an` all that ...
My tuppence worth would be to fight the prosecution - facts have to be 100% accurate to even be considered for court.
To cut a long story short i lent a mate a trailbike, totally legit and his insurance covered it so no big dramas envisaged.
However - they tried to prosecute me for allowing said matey to ride with a flat tyre after he punctured and rode along a green lane near Kettlewell to fix it in the only garage for miles around. I was 50 miles away at the time and well before the days of mobile phones so how could i possiblyallow` him to ride the bike with a flat tyre ??
The due date arrived and it was thrown out of court after i gave my version of events. Got a letter of apoligy from the head local rozzer in skipton and an offer to cover my costs which i duly ignored but made a mental note of the lesson learned....
Have you done much driving chum?
igrf, I drive around 60,000 miles a year and as yet have not had a single ticket or point on my licence so i must be doing something right.
I have lived in the 50mph section of the M1 and M62 for the last few years and never had an issue and neither have my colleagues who drive a similar amount of miles.
If you are getting tickets its for a reason.
Speeding fines are only a tax on people 'challenged' by simple concepts. When you got your licence you agreed to abide by the laws and guidelines set out clearly in the highway code. If you don't like it, may I suggest you send your licence back to the dvla along with a strongly worded letter and refrain from driving till the matter is resolved.
Minor clerical errors do not cause any prosecution to fail, they just get amended if/when it goes to court.
beg to differ.... I got caught on my motorbike about 5 year ago and when it went to court the judge threw it out, the NIP was sent to my company name (was the same as my name with Ltd on the end) and I filled it in and sent it back citing me personally as the rider. They continued to pursue the company, I wrote another letter back informing them again and gave my excuse for being over the speed limit.
The 'Manager of the Central Ticket Office' wrote back with the shortest letter ever simply saying "we have read your letter, this does not excuse speeding" so I wrote one back asking for an officer of the law, judge or jury to hear my case and not an administration officer and it when it went to court the judge agreed that it was an unsafe case.
If I were the OP i'd take it to court, put the co-ordinates in and print off a picture of the co-ordinates in the field and say how can I do 79Mph in a field your honour??
Normally around 65mph or a bit less
Mines a black and orange Vito
So you do speed, anything over 60mph on a dual carriageway in a Vito is speeding and over 50 will get you points on a single carriageway.
Mind how yo go there! ( Mucho ironing there).
You've admitted you were breaking the law so stop being a bellend and pay the fine and take the points. That's what happens when you break the law. You get punished. There's enough people on here that rant when the police don't punish bike thieves and such like.
Do the crime, serve the time. Otherwise drive within the speed limit.
Tom KP
But I would contact them, explain what you've discovered about the given location and see if they amend the location or drop it.
So you do speed, anything over 60mph on a dual carriageway in a Vito is speeding and over 50 will get you points on a single carriageway.
Mind how yo go there! ( Mucho ironing there).
Nice try 🙄
I was talking about Motorway Driving when I said "normally 65 mph or a bit less"
Plus I also drive a car, the Vito is for Work.
Shame really
I bet you thought you had a really good point there didn't you ? 😉
As I said before, I don't speed. (And I'm aware of the speed limits for vans too)
Does nobody follow the old adage about 'rules'?
You know, being for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men?
No?
Enjoy that skiing do you? Ever wondered why you have to carry those pole things everywhere?
To bat the heads of the perfect in passing? Hard to reach otherwise, up there on their high horses.
I normally park myself and my board just over the edge of a good slope and wait for the high horse riders to panic snow plough stop 😯 "this is a joke by the way, just incase the humour gene has been removed"