Most folks I talk to are saying a vito will rust to bits and is very thirsty.
Any truth in that?
From what I've read, the older, older ones had the rust issues, and particularly the white ones that used water based paint.
I think they solved the rusting problems when they brought out that version you posted up there. A Hiace will still probably last longer though.
Any truth in that?
yes - rust 'a lot' rather than 'rust to death' perhaps - mercs or any kind, not just white vans, of a certain vintage,had to a tendency to rust everywhere you could see but not so much anywhere that really mattered - they generally stay structurally sound but look like shit. Around 2007 / 8 there was an improvement - if you're looking at anything of that sort of age it'll be completely apparent by now which side of that improvement a particular example is.
Although mostly cosmetic - on vans where it can practically rather than aesthetically problematic is corrosion around door handles or around surface mounted hinges and the numberplate lights on on rear van doors. I used to have to 'slam' the doors on my sprinter very carefully!.
I think they solved the rusting problems when they brought out that version you posted up there.
no they didn't - they sorted out the rust problem during the run of the one up there - early examples had problems, later ones didn't - that model came out in 2003 and ran til 2014 - the rust problem was solved somewhere in the middle of that run. 2007 is possibly on the wrong side of that fix.
To be fair it didn't look that bad. It had bits here and there. Lots of tiny stone chips on bonnet, none of which seemed to be rusting.
Worst was a few bubbles and spots around the rear wheel arch..I noticed a bit of touch up paint in a couple of spots, then in the cab I noticed a little bottle of maroon nail varnish 😂
Still, as said above, if it had serious rust problems, I reckon it would be obvious.
It's this one by the way.
that's the SWB/compact model... you'll not get an 8x4 in the back will you?
They are galvanised from 2006 onwards.
I have a Sept 06 with 222000 miles on now with no rust.
Been a fantastic van and I’d definitely replace it with another.
Things to look out for are leaky injectors (look for black gunk around injectors), water hose comes through rear wiper motor and can develop a leak.
Prop shaft might need balancing around 150000 miles.
They are galvanised from 2006 onwards.
if its a model on the cusp of that date though you need to be wary - the number plate shows when it left the forecourt, not when it left the factory.
aside from the injector leak / gunk issue which can be difficult to spot of a cursory inspection as (unless its been lost over the years) theres usually a plastic cover over that part of the engine. The other thing to look for is, although not compulsory until 09, merc had started to fit DPFs earlier (my 57 plate merc has one but my 58 plate peugeot doesn't) and they can be an expensive buggering headache. - look for a bizarre Heath Robinson bong at the very start of the exhaust where it leaves the engine bay.
I'm not really clear as to whether you're allowed to take them off at that vintage (I've spent the money now so **** it) in MOT terms. Its a bit of a cleft stick - they're an expensive pain to have so theres some merits in buying a van too old to have one fitted - but... increasingly ... there'll be places over the next few years that you can't drive (without paying) without one - although some places are jumping straight to Euro 6 so you can end up doubly damned and paying to maintain the DPF and unable to drive in certain cities anyway.
Another thing the bloke said (he seemed a nice bloke and we shared an interest in motorcycles) was that sometimes the glow plug light would stay on a while. Seems that this is common and can mean new glow plug relay, glow plugs, or do nowt.
Hiace every time. As said before, bullet proof and used extensively in parts of the world where roads are very casual and often, brutal. It may rust, certainly not as soon or quickly as the Vito and generally shows in areas that have been repaired poorly, so if no obvious signs of scrapes or dings and panel shut lines are good, that’ll help it’s longevity.
I’ve driven both, often laden with things like woodstoves and associated install gear and the Hiace felt the better to deal with the loads and driving it.
HTH
Cheers Slackalice. It does help.
Most of my Facebook friend poll are saying Volkswagen.
I really like how the vito has twin sliders and an 8x4 slides neatly flat under the seats.
Not sure how a Hiace or transporter would compare here, but the Vito does seem to be getting less votes.
I really like how the vito has twin sliders and an 8×4 slides neatly flat under the seats.
Hmmm, I'll have a look at my NV200 later because the bulkhead is removeable which might give you the extra 1/2m under the seats. I think that the seats are mounted up on a high frame tho (there's a drawer-thingy under the driver, and the jack under the passenger). I won't be taking the bulkhead out, just a look 🙂
The thing about a VW is that you’ll need to buy a big box of drive shafts to pop in every 40k miles.
I’ve had a glow plug light on in mine for about 2 years now, goes on and off.
Code reader says it’s the no.2 plug but have just left it. It still starts fine.
Yeah, I mean the Vito started first kick, drove really nicely, gears seemed 'tight', brakes were good, handbrake was weird.
The Nv200, I had kind of ruled out as looking at one the other day, it didn't look much more spacious than my Berlingo really. Didn't have a 3 seater front either.
The Nv200, I had kind of ruled out as looking at one the other day,
8 x 4 won't fit under the front seats in any case, 2m x 1.22m is about it
Cheers for looking timba. Shame as I really like them. Kind of settled on a 3 front seater though.
Ok, I'm very close to hitting the button on a Toyota Hiace, but I still have a niggling doubt that maybe I should be going Transporter.
I think both swb vans may not fully take an 8x4, but they both probably would diagonally, on edge at a push. Anyway, I think my initial focus on that has waned slightly as realistically, with tools in too I'd need a lwb, and I don't want one.
So, anyone care to pitch in with some final thoughts between a Hiace and a Transporter and sway me one way or the other?
For a measure, the Transporter I'm looking at is a 2007 2.5 tdi, 125k at £4750, and the Hiace is 2010, 2.4 I think, 95k and £5380. 👍
I had a sucdo and could fit a 8x4 diagonally. Never tried on the floor.
both probably would
Dont accept probably or other people’s ideas of what ‘should’ fit (see suggestions of an nv200) and the manufacturer figures can’t be trusted. You’re own tape measure is the only thing to trust. And and in the actual van. All the models you’re talking about come in 2 or 3 different lengths and little details like a different bulkhead options or different arch liners can mean stuff either does or doesn’t fit . And given ply sized fluctuate a bit being too snug between the arches can stop you using the length under the seats
Even people who say they’ve ‘had an 8x4 in the back’.... an 8x4 what? Plasterboard sheets are a fair bit smaller than plywood but they’re both “8x4s”
So, anyone care to pitch in with some final thoughts between a Hiace and a Transporter and sway me one way or the other?
I'd avoid a Transporter of that age. The 2.5 engine is a dog and has already been pointed out you'll need to budget for a box of driveshafts.
Hth
The 2.5 engine is a dog and has already been pointed out you’ll need to budget for a box of driveshafts.
Hth
my driveshafts are fine. everything else has been replaced...
Even people who say they’ve ‘had an 8×4 in the back’…. an 8×4 what? Plasterboard sheets are a fair bit smaller than plywood but they’re both “8x4s”
Well that's handy to know. I was hoping to get a sheet of ply in the back of mine this weekend!
My SWB T5 would take 8x4 sheets of ply flat if I rested them on the wheel arch liners if that makes sense?
Yeah I think so. I read about someone who put a false floor in up to that level and so was able to lie them flat in there.
As long as they fit betwixt the arches, I reckon I'm resigned to perhaps having them stick out of the back door a little and cover them with a placcy bag or something. It's not like they are my main daily cargo.
8x4 sheets of OSB will fit in a SWB T5, either lying flat as above, or standing vertically on a diagonal if you drop the passenger seat forwards and flat (assuming its a double passenger seat and double rear seat).
if you don't any rear seats then they will slide into the gap between the passenger seat and the drivers seat.
8×4 sheets of OSB will fit in a SWB T5
Osb comes in two different sizes of 8x4 - some are 8x4 imperial like ply, some are 2.4x1,2 metric like plaster board (says man who framed for one and had 50 sheets of the other delivered!
^^^ oops 😂
I swore a lot!
And the worst thing is I now can't remember which grade is which size so its a mistake I'll probably make again in the future too. Theres different ratings for water resistance (OSB2 and OSB3) one is presumaby sized metric on the assumption that it'll be used on the same frames that have plasterboard on the other side.
Worse than bloody USB-C!
I now can’t remember which grade is which size
It can vary with thickness too... most(!) wood sheet is 2440 x 1220 (nominally 8x4), but I've found OSB3 in 9mm, 11 and 18 at this size and 15mm OSB3 from the same yard at 2400 x 1200
there'll be no more of that after Brexit.
Well, I bought one. 😳
Went for a decent test drive, underneath and all sorts of checks, mot history, vehicle history, knocked the price down, gave them my #Radwagon (Berlingo) which I'm upset about but there you go.
Hoping to hell I've got an ok one. Seemed pretty good driving back from Nottingham yesterday, except a few very slight knocks when slowing into islands mainly. It passed an mot the day I bought it though so hopefully all is well steering/suspension-wise.
An unexpected bonus is, it seems that an 8x4 WILL fit in the back. Either flat on the floor, or diagonally upright. 👍🙂
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Incidentally, I don't know what the dark stain is in the back but there's a hook above it so most likely that's where they hung their victims to bleed out. 😳
Looks pretty good. Approves.
there’s a hook above it so most likely that’s where they hung their victims to bleed out.
all the black Hiaces I've seen in the past have been the euphemistic 'private ambulance' 🙂
that roof rack is a bit of a bonus too.
Oh I've just noticed, does that have no side sliding doors? Slight PITA to be climbing in the back to retrieve stuff from the bulkhead end.
looks like there's a side door there to me - on the passenger side.
Ah, must be the way the ply-lining is done make me think that.
Passenger side is usual for unloading onto a kerb rather than standing in the road when there is only one.
Yeah there is a side door. Shame there isn't two though. I'd got quite used to chucking things in just before I got in the drivers side.
One of the Hiaces I saw actually was a private ambulance, and it still had the shelves and sliding platforms in it. Thought it'd make a good camper 😳
Anyone got any tips for lining the van?
It's not going to be a camper, it's a work/bike van..I removed the bulkhead yesterday and obviously it's noisier.
I'd like to dampen down the noise a bit and insulate it at the same time for the odd night or two sleeping in it.
Do I need to go full vapour barrier or would just insulating behind the ply be good enough if it's not sustained camping?
If you don't need insulation and only want to quieten it down you can get stick on heavy foam dampening material and if you fix this to the panels between the ribs and then board over it will quieten down nicely.
This sort of stuff
Should stop the panels vibrating and booming and give you an easier ride.
Cheers. Pricey ain't it...
Would you worry about a vapour barrier if it's only slept in occasionally?
If anyone searches in future for info, I can categorically state that an 8x4 does not fit in the back of a L2 new shape Connect with a bulkhead, despite what the Internet is saying.
Ask me how I know. 😤
(I had to buy a saw and cut a foot off in the car park)
Weird formatting here.
I had to buy a saw and cut a foot off in the car park
You could take it back to the dealer and complain but I suspect you now don’t have a leg to stand on
Is it just me the formatting has gone all weird above on the last 3 posts?
Did you try it flat on the floor and upright?
Just fits between the wheel arches flat, but too long. I'd read they would stand up diagonal corner to corner because the bulkhead tapers away from the side, but they really don't.
Very good Mccruisekeen. 😁
I thought they were supposed to go in flat but sloping up to rest on the bulkhead & that was why the bulkhead was shaped like that?
