I missed this thread before. I have just this weekend sold my Audi A4 TDi 130bhp which I really loved, with "just" 98,000 on the clock. The engine was superb, beautifully smooth, and the rest of the car had only needed two springs, a suspension arm and two sensors in 50,000 miles and 6 years. Amazing to me.
Its replacement - a 1.9 TDi 115bhp - is much lower mileage but really doesn't have the grunt at all. It feels like 0-60 in a half a day after the old one and seems to use fuel like it's going out of fashion, so maybe off to have it re-mapped. I'm pretty sure I haven't got a binding brake anywhere.
If its the 130 PD engine, I have an interesting and informative VW technician training pdf, 50 or so pages, that goes into a lot of detail about the main engine ECU, its sensors, their functions, and the various actuators. Its actually (risks flame) a fairly simple engine, when you get down to it, thats light on sensors compared to a CR engine, has no DPF, and can run happily without an EGR.
I'll find your email address and email it to you.
based on your record with ECU's, i'd ignore you as well....
****ing ha ha.
I'm right though.
Agree with the stellar miles / no hassle... had the 1.9 tdi engine in an A3 130 sport tdi quattro (brilliant car when remapped), a Fabia VRs (also remapped) and now a Touran...
No dpf, no mass of sensors, just a boring ordinary cat.
Place I worked had the 130 Passats and they all had over 300k on them despite being driven by everyone...
What year(s) was the 'good' 1.9TDI engine?
I think it's good all the way. It was replaced by 2.0 and 1.6 afaik, not sure though. In Passats, they brought the 2.0 in with the B6 Passat in 2005, although to be honest as long as it's had the oil pump and innjector recalls, it should be pretty good too. No DPF on the early ones.
Hora- any of the 4 cylinder pre common-rail ones should be decent, but there seems to be agreement that the PD ("Pumpe Duse") ones are the ones to have.
I've had cars with this engine and would agree- its fairly simple, pretty economical, good power output, and all its foibles are well-known and usually not that dear to fix.
I think the PDs kicked in about 2000 or so.
(Based on my thread a couple of weeks back, where I may or may not have been getting scammed after selling a Golf with the new 1.6TDI CR engine, I'd love something with a PD engine if they still made them...)
Think the 1.9 went out on plates 02 and 03 as my A3 was a runout before the 2.0 facelifted car came in.
This engine did a load of applicationds from static power source and marine as well as car...
Its all on Wiki but its a long read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_diesel_engines
Think the 1.9 went out on plates 02 and 03 as my A3 was a runout before the 2.0 facelifted car came in
Maybe in Audi land. The VAG brands run different engine lines at different times. I test drove a 57 plate Seat Altea which had a 2.0 TDI but with the old style injectors ie not piezo controlled. It was very obvious from the drive.
Ignore long life service intervals on anything with a turbo, use a decent semi synthetic and change oil and filter every 6000 miles or so.
I looked at the Passats the last time I was buying a car (2005 😯 ). I think the 2004 ish model was the one to go for, reliability wise. I bought a 406 HDi estate instead, and still use it daily. Best car I've owned and cost no more than the usual service/wear items.
Flicker- PD all need fully-synthetic.
Well I've just bought a 1.9 TDi Audi and it's a 2007 so they were still going as recently as then.
At just 7 years old probably the newest car I've ever had.
There are lots of horror stories around about the 2.0 TDi oil pump shaft breaking - so I avoided them.
Rickmeister - where did you get your re-map done?
Ive got an 05 plate 130tdi as a company car. It is literally bombproof.
Do you work in Afghanistan?
codybrennan - MemberFlicker- PD all need fully-synthetic.
Do they? fair enough, drop the oil at half intervals still, your turbo will love you for it 😀
ononeorange - MemberWell I've just bought a 1.9 TDi Audi and it's a 2007 so they were still going as recently as then.
At just 7 years old probably the newest car I've ever had.
There are lots of horror stories around about the 2.0 TDi oil pump shaft breaking - so I avoided them.
Rickmeister - where did you get your re-map done?
It doesn't so much break as the hole in the pump wears out, the shaft spins as usual and the pump, well, doesn't. Very poor design on the early 2.0l models, which has since been fixed.
use a decent semi synthetic
😯
No - use oil that conforms to the VW spec - not just ANY old semi synth.
Re the oil pumps - it was a certain batch from a certain factory in a certain period that had the issue, not a recurring fault across the range. It was identified pretty early on and subjected to a recall for the affected cars. You've got zero chance of it happening to you now, cos all affected cars will either have died or been fixed.
The early 2.0 balance shaft problem is a killer. My mate bought a 55 plate Passat 2.0 tdi in 2011 and it lasted about 8 months before the oil pump shaft went and seized the engine.
It was an ex Leaseplan car and, if there was a recall, it was missed. It cost a couple of grand to fix and, at the time in 2012, the modified oil pump was on back order with no delivery date available.
My mate found a guy who did the marine engines and he did a nifty mod to the oil pump or something and it's been fine since.
Ouch.. moral is - check the recalls when you buy a car...
FFS 😀
I'll rephrase my earlier statement to "use the manufacturers recommended oil" which I'd assume most would. Surprised an engine of that vintage would need fully synth, poor design I guess 😉
The point I was trying to make was to ignore the long life service intervals, they aren't good for your turbo.... …...
VW 505 01 or 505 02 fully synth for PD engines.
2001 My Passats or Y reg for the B5.5 100bhp or 130 bhp variants. Were fitted all the way through the B5.5 and in the fisrt 2005 55plated B6 models.
100Bhp models on got 5 speed box, optional 6 speed on the 130's.
Surprised an engine of that vintage would need fully synth, poor design I guess
No, the camshaft activated unit injector design requires extra lubrication qualities of the oil.
The point I was trying to make was to ignore the long life service intervals, they aren't good for your turbo.... …...
Why? The manufacturer recommends it after all. Long life servicing uses a comination of engine revs and oil temperature to assess the load on the oil - the idea being that if you are doing lots of long journeys the oil doesn't really need changing as often as if you are doing lots of short ones.
Lots of bad press out there on the vw forums both with pd engines and the more modern petrol and diesel ones
About long life service causing issues.
For me I'm not taking the chance oil change evey year is easy to do
So why not.
Halfords sell oil that meets modern vw pd requirements so easy to get
Lots of bad press out there on the vw forums
I would guess that 99.9% of Volkswagen owners don't frequent VW forums.
Huh.. I was doing almost entirely motorway miles so thought long life would be ideal. Doing more than 10k miles a year too!
Tbh I'd not looked into it until it came up as a possible
Issue with 3.2 petrols and cam chain stretching.
But then we should not believe all things on forums
Just for me I will stick to yearly. It's cost me a about 80
For all the filters and branded oil to vw 507 spec for pd
Engines
I mainly went to long life because at 10k intervals I'd have been servicing every six months. Annoying.
With regard to service interval, I would do whatever you are comfortable with.
Service interval on my Ibiza is 10k miles, but I've drawn it out to 15k miles as most of my journeys are dual carriageway/motorway cruising.
Done that from 140k or so, perhaps before, and it doesn't seem to have affected anything in the 90k miles since.
Picking up a 55 plate b6 1.9 tdi on thursday. Not had an estate for a while. It's got 118,000 miles with full service and just had belts, water pump clutch and flywheel. At 105 bhp I might just get it remapped.
1.9tdi 130 in a 2002 a A4 here. 220000 on original clutch, flywheel, exhaust etc. No dpf. I had it on long life servicing up to 160k and now do it every 10k. It used to use 1/2 litre of oil in 20k but now its on 10k it never needs topping up. Other than servicing the only problems have been a failed air con compressor (I got the garage to leave the belt off and I put up with a hot car in august) and it has a bit of an appetite for offside headlight bulbs which are a ballache to replace and it chews the inside edge of tyres. 50mpg easy, more if I'm careful. Easily fast enough. Engine is a bit noisey by modern standards but it doesn't smoke and sounds quite nice from the cabin if your pushing on. Hard to imagine a cheaper car to run over its life.
petrieboy - Member
1.9tdi 130 in a 2002 a A4 here. 220000 on original clutch, flywheel, exhaust etc. No dpf. I had it on long life servicing up to 160k and now do it every 10k. It used to use 1/2 litre of oil in 20k but now its on 10k it never needs topping up. Other than servicing the only problems have been a failed air con compressor (I got the garage to leave the belt off and I put up with a hot car in august) and it has a bit of an appetite for offside headlight bulbs which are a ballache to replace
That reads just like my experience with my Ibiza. Good to know there's someone else with the 130 engine still on it's original bits. No one believes that mine is on original clutch and exhaust.
Mine doesn't need topping up between services though - although I should probably start doing more regular dip stick checking, than I currently do.
My air con compressor went at around 140k miles. The local independent I use for all servicing also does air-con stuff so replaced it for £500 fitted. At the time I was doing 32k miles/yr so figured £500 was a small price to pay for the comfort, given the hours I was sat in the car.
Mine used to blow headlight bulbs like nobody's business, but last time one went I swapped to Halfords heavy duty ones (dark green blister pack) and they are lasting a lot better (touch wood!). Perhaps give them a try.
03 Audi A4 1.9tdi here on 150,000 miles only things that have gone have been wiper motors on front and rear. Servicing every 10k or so but like others I'm mainly driving on main roads at 80-100kph to work.
Offside headlight bulbs used to go all the time but noticed that the plastic clamp between the headlight cluster and the chassis had sheared so the light was vibrating a lot - common enough apparently and got replacement clamp things off eBay and been perfect since.
What are the long-term owners of these PD engines doing for cambelt changes? I'm seeing mixed stuff on the web- is it every 4 years?
Ononeorange, remaps..
I have had three maps done on different VAG cars. Al have been excellent, done bigish milages and never missed a beat. Each forum seems to have its favorites though each supplier will do the Vag group.
A3 1.9 130 Sport Quattro. Superchips map. 130 bhp to 170 ish and a good torque increase. 120k miles done by me. I wish I had never sold this car..
Fabia 1.9 Tdi Vrs. Shark remap (Skoda forum favorite) from a local to Edinburgh agent. Same engine as above, same gains. 90Kmiles
T5 175 SWB Kombi. Pendle Performance (T5 forum favorites)in Barnoswaldwick (where Hope are). 175 to 220 bhp and a great torque gain. Included a dpf delete, 1st in country for this. What a van.. loved this too
I always mapped them early, inside 5k miles so probably not really run in. All never failed, no slipping clutches or big oil consumption. Very reliable and all on long life variable oil changes and all serviced by independents from new, never VW.
Now driving a 2006 105bhp Touran, in grey. It feels like my life has ended but it does have the non dpf, simple cat only and not festooned with sensors, 1.9tdi. Its just gone through 170 kilometers.. but its duller than a dull thing that has some extra dullness added to make it dull. Plus, it feels like it wil be dull for a long time.
But, they do sell 175 bhp 4motion VW Caddy Cross in Viper Green here...
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Main dealer told me every 4 years or 60k miles. £350.
However - it seems to vary a lot year on year. Some models are 40k some are 80k. I'd contact a dealer if I were you.
codybrennan - Member
What are the long-term owners of these PD engines doing for cambelt changes? I'm seeing mixed stuff on the web- is it every 4 years?
60k miles or X years. But mine always need changing before X years, so I can't remember what it is, as it's irrelevant.
Similar price to molgrips - although seem to remember paying £350 for a service and cambelt....
Mine needs doing in 10k miles.
rickmeister - I always regret not getting a remap done to mine. I was put off my stories of dodgy maps and clutches dying, as well as tyre life taking a big hit.
I should have bought the Ibiza Cupra rather than the Sport, but I'd already increased my budget to get the Sport! Then I ummmmed and aaaaahed about a remap for ages, before deciding not to bother.
Jabba are only down the road from me, so I should have had a word with them, really.
Ah, forgot wiper motor. Rear wiper went a bit haywire (the skoosher leaks onto the motor and rots the control) so I just unplugged it. Cambelt wise, do mine every 60k. Local indi specialist. Always done as part of a service so dont remember how much but not massively expensive. Certainly cheaper than the dealer.
petrieboy - Member
Ah, forgot wiper motor. Rear wiper went a bit haywire (the skoosher leaks onto the motor and rots the control) so I just unplugged it.
Designer of this should hang his head, the skoosher goes through the electrical assembly...mine was happily going on its own like a dog wagging it's tail before I bit the bullet and replaced it.
Thanks rickmeister. One other question - insurance. I was all set to book a remap today having had the ok from insurer but called them today and they changed their mind!! Rang round a few others (up for renewal) and all refused. Gutted as this new one is so turgid.....70 is a struggle!! Who insured you?
On one O..
Direct line and Liverpool Victoria. Also a comapny called Brentacre had a good rep with the T5 crowd for accepting modification with little or no penalty.
The chap I sold my much modified T5 mentioned he declared all modifications with no penalties also . . .
Whatever car you have, pop onto a forum and the remap / insurance question will probably be a hardy perennial.
Remaps are said to be undetectable but it is obviously closing a loophole if its declared.
HTH
Ok great. Thanks rick. Will try them tomorrow.
Cheers
Brentacre were brilliant when i had my Mk2 16v GTI. Vag insurance specialists.
Has anyone not replaced a ratling dmf and just kept useing it
Mine is making more nosie and getting less smooth in stop start traffic
But no clutch slip
The car is just not worth the cost of a new one
It probably IS worth the cost of a new one.
Well clutch and flywheel fitted is about 700 it's got a leaking tandum pump 300
Getting due a cam belt 300 ish
Leaking oil from erg and somewhere else top end
On the plus side the cam has not worn like many and all the electrics work
It's a golf mk4 rather than passat but 130 pd 6 speed all the same
But but I'm tempted to just keep the oil changed and level topped up till it goes bang one day and just buy another
Edit it cost less than the sum of those parts
