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When it comes to logo design, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys
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Oh..... hang on a minute
LOL
I do love the 2012 brand though. The logo itself is a bit poor, but the brand identity and execution is spot on. We have had too many furry bear Olympic mascots and I was happy we came up with something different and challenging.
it's cost me £50 of my time to read this thread, where do i send the invoice?
£50 is about 8.5hrs of work for me, so count yourself lucky.
I wouldn't even start thinking about designing a quick logo for less than half a day's work (£240) - and that would be all the client would get - a logo as a .jpg.
Where do you find these clients!!?
Jo's quite a slow reader - it might have been 8.5 hours for him too.
Where do you find these clients!!?
We tend to work with small to medium-sized businesses who recognise the importance of 'brand' rather than 'logo' and are willing to pay as such. Of course there are smaller businesses and/or ones that have no requirement for a 'brand' but they aren't really the sort of people that we would be working with - I guess it is those people who think that £50 is enough to spend.
I have charged several thousand pounds in the past, but that isn't for a logo, it is for an entire brand identity.
Mrs Deadly here,
Have you lot got nothing better to do?
"Have you lot got nothing better to do?"
you'll just get blank looks asking that question around here...
Guess I could go and find another industry to devalue - photography maybe?
Someone on here liked one of my pics, so I'm selling her a print at cost price plus a donation to a charity. What a bastard eh?
She just got a bollocking for asking such a stupid question.
They have to stretch the work out mrs dd or they can't charge for half a days work for 30 mins with word.
Someone on here liked one of my pics, so I'm selling her a print at cost price plus a donation to a charity. What a bastard eh?
Will you go out and take a photograph for me - I will pay you £50 if I like it.
deadlydarcy - Member
Mrs Deadly here,
Have you lot got nothing better to do?
Loving the irony.
Producing a picture that one person likes is very different to one person asking you to produce a specific picture that they may or may not like.
This is the basic misunderstanding at play here - graphic design is not abstract pretty patterns, it is producing visuals that trigger very specific reactions and associations in the viewer. If you haven't even analysed what you want those reactions to be, let alone made some sort of study of the background and context of the whole thing you can only ever have a good logo (or whatever) by luck.
Will you go out and take a photograph for me - I will pay you £50 if I like it.
OK.
Just wondering, does the price you charge clients include the costs associated with you browsing/posting on stw (and presumably other places), including your wage, overheads etc?
clubber...go easy now. She has been working for most of the morning.
[i]I need a logo designing.
If you're in need of something to do, drop me an email to stratobiker AT yahoo DOT co DOT uk[/i]
Or alternatively if you're an upthemselvesdesignerluvvie just ignore the OP and witter away about how much a few hours of your time is worth 🙄
Like I said, most people just don't understand what design is.
Or alternatively if you're an upthemselvesdesignerluvvie just ignore the OP and witter away about how much a few hours of your time is worth
The point not being how a person uses their own time, but what value they put on it when creating something for someone else who can then go on to benefit from it.
Just wondering, does the price you charge clients include the costs associated with you browsing/posting on stw (and presumably other places), including your wage, overheads etc?
What do you think?
Looking forward to receiving my photograph to review and decide whether I deem it worth my £50...
D'oh!
Wee in 'graphic designer fails to read whole thing before contributing' shocker.
What do you think?
I reckon it probably does, though you've probably convinced yourself otherwise.
Looking forward to receiving my photograph to review and decide whether I deem it worth my £50...
You haven't given me the brief yet. 🙂
Rest assured that I hate cheap, and if the project warranted it, I'd go to someone with clout. Also, rest assured that I'm not trying to make a quick buck here.
Right at this moment in time I'm out of work (not asking for sympathy), and if someone offered me £50 I'd take it.
My offer was aimed at someone who has nothing better to do. Maybe someone sat at a desk bored. £50 would buy a few beers would it not? Or maybe go some way to filling a shopping trolley.
I know £50 pound isn't much. I just offered it, no one has to take it. A little while ago, I wouldn't have given the time of day for £50. Though I wouldn't have been quite so nasty or smart-arsed in my refusal as some of the posters here.
SB
Like I said, most people just don't understand what design is
Do you mean design or graphic design ?
The former yes, the latter well it's just ****ting about with digital crayons innit 😉
I reckon it probably does, though you've probably convinced yourself otherwise.
For every client I charge 4 hours but only spend 2 hours on the project, I have another on which I end up spending 8 hours. Swings and roundabouts.
Brief - I want a picture of a one-eyed ballerina squid juggling seven unevenly-shaped pieces of burnt toast and the shot must be taken in Bali.
I await your submission.
My offer was aimed at someone who has nothing better to do. Maybe someone sat at a desk bored. £50 would buy a few beers would it not? Or maybe go some way to filling a shopping trolley.
Exactly as I understood it - funny that all these "high flying wouldn't get out of bed for less than a grand" types always seem to have plenty time for forum posting, wonder if they charge it to the client.....
lol
Strotobiker - sorry if offence was taken, but your offer still suggests that you want to take advantage of someone who needs the money rather than paying fair market value for the work.
That's fair enough. Someone who is out of work, or maybe a student.
The wrong bit is getting paid "if I use it" - much more effective to find a designer and work with them to get the result you want, whatever the fee.
Well said stratobiker!!!
make your brief public on the post and make it a competition to design your logo with a £50 bucks prize.
suspect you'll get more entries and less moaning..
Strotobiker - sorry if offence was taken, but your offer still suggests that you want to take advantage of someone who needs the money rather than paying fair market value for the work.
Surely it's not unreasonable that someone who is out of work is asking for something for less than the going rate.
You don't of course have to oblige if you're too busy raking in the big bucks.
Strotobiker - sorry if offence was taken, but your offer still suggests that you want to take advantage of someone who needs the money rather than paying fair market value for the work.
Only if you're being precious.
I politely decline your offer based on the brief. See how easy that was?
Surely it's not unreasonable that someone who is out of work is asking for something for less than the going rate
When I was last out of work I did some freelance work but I still expected to be paid a fair fee for my work. Why is that so unreasonable? For example, if I asked an out of work electrician to do some work in my house, I wouldn't expect to pay him *significantly* less than the going rate for the work. In my opinion, £50 for a logo is significantly less than the going rate.
Right, I am going now. To design a website for a friend for some 75% LESS than our normal rate as well.
🙂
SB - you have my sympathies. Some of the responses and attitiudes on this thread are almost unbelievable. And even if your offer wasn't perfectly worded so what? Jesus people, get over yourselves.
And M_F - your business analogy is a bit poor. Maybe you should concentrate on educating/managing your punters so they pay fair prices for the amount of work you do rather than dicking one and using the profit there to offset the expense of servicing the fussy one.
Bit surprised you haven't made a conection between the fact some people (in your opinion) don't value design work and the fact you don't actually charge them for the real cost of dealing with them.
There's logos and there's logos. SB wants a 50 quid one. I think he's a smashing bloke and would be happy to do him that favour in other circumstances. If you're not, I'd suggest not getting involved? It's not like designers have a reputation for being touchy they need to protect 🙂
This thread smacks of people who want to make their jobs out to be more involved/complex/important than they know they are, hence the extreme sensitivity to it being 'devalued' by someone offering less than their usual 'going rate'. If they were really confident of the value of it, they'd have either said 'thanks but no thanks, that's not enough' or just ignored it.
🙂 <--- please note, you overly sensitive types...
Are you all claiming you cannot make a logo within 2 hours @ £25 per hour?
Really is the creative process that slow?
Granted the I will pay if I like it bit is a tad unfair but how long will it take you to do a Logo to a brief?
What is your hourly rate?
Why not start a design business then clubber? You should find it pretty easy, plus you can undercut the established smoke and mirrors merchants quite comfortably. 😕
Hey - I just noticed that peopleperhour.com banner -->
Why not just get on there and see if anyone wants £50?
I can make [b]a[/b] logo. But I can't make [b]the[/b] (specific) logo that does a very specific job, whatever that job is.Are you all claiming you cannot make a logo within 2 hours @ £25 per hour?
Even if it did take only two hours it takes many years t get to that level.
"[i]What is your hourly rate?[/i]"
less than a plumber, and that's simply joining pipes together, right?
glenp - Member
Why not start a design business then clubber? You should find it pretty easy, plus you can undercut the established smoke and mirrors merchants quite comfortably.
I don't think I could - that's why I don't. Plus I don't think I'm precious enough for the industry 😉
Besides that I didn't make any comment about the actual value of design work anyway, only about peoples' responses to the question. You just came over all sensitive, pretty much making my point...
This does actually provide a good answer [url= http://www.peopleperhour.com/find/Graphic_Design ]http://www.peopleperhour.com/find/Graphic_Design[/url]
There's 10,912 Freelancers on there apparently, plus a mechanism to offer the job for tender, plus portfolios to check out, plus they can all charge what they like. Sounds like an open, competitive market to me - see if anyone wants to do a logo for £50.