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It feels like Labour take all the flak for everything they stand for these days which is repeated ad infinitum without scrutiny and it’s a wonder why they don’t get elected
That has always been the case and that is exactly why you need to be better at dealing with it. Corbyn and his current advisors were clearly awful at dealing with it. I could seriously have done a better job in the interviews.
go on then, tell us how he could have handled it and got a favourable reaction from daily fail, murdochs climate deniers, the express, the barclay brothers gammons utd. They found a stick to beat him with and there was nothing he could say or do would stop them beating.
I would use data. Data was very lacking throughout all of this. Number of cases raised, number of cases dealt with, elapsed time in dealing with each case until resolution etc,.
Assuming any plan to tackle it worked I would then be able to show a decrease in number of cases along with a higher speed of response and resolution. I could also then do a comparison with labour party members versus general population, tory party etc,. to show that Labour had a lesser problem than elsewhere.
I would use data
how well does data work with the right wing press and anthropogenic climate change ?
They used data, they apologised repeatedly over 18 months, they're they only party with a formal process, the leader was a lifelong anti-racist campaigner (incompetent, yes, but not a racist).
Labour went to extraordinary lengths to combat this, but data or apologies (multiple explicit apologies were ignored) were going to do nothing - and indeed could never do anything.
Antisemitism is an emotional rallying cry to the voting public - a bedrock of shit which other shit can be piled on to justify disliking a candidate or party regardless of the arguments they make. Nothing Corbyn could do, ever, could stop those accusations. Ever.
When we talk about the United States politics being paralyzed ny their powerful Israel lobby you can now see it here. It's always been here - but we've never had a pro-palestine candidate at the helm of an electable party before.
It's a ****ing joke - and shame on those of you who've fallen for it.
Sorry, haven’t the thread but it’s the internet so here’s my take. Israel is a Jewish state, any criticism of Israel is a criticism of Jews and therefore anti-semitic. So, to be pro-semitic (is that a thing?) you have to be in favour of Israeli troops shooting stone throwing Palestinians, or the settlement of occupied lands, etc, whilst condemning anything the Palestinians do.
I assume then, that you consider being pro Christian or Pro British to mean in favour of killing brown people in the Middle East?
Because not all Jews hold the same opinion about the direction of the Israeli state.
Oh and I agree with Binners et al, the evidence for labours antisemitism
is quite clear - and the people who deny it are always the ones that without fail, make anti-semitic comments like the one quoted above.
@raybanwomble - I think you failed to comprehend the meaning of that post.
Context. Don't take that bit in isolation.
Context is all...
They used data, they apologised repeatedly over 18 months, they’re they only party with a formal process, the leader was a lifelong anti-racist campaigner (incompetent, yes, but not a racist).
Well I didn't see it so they didn't do a great job of presenting it did they?
Did Corbyn mention the they have had 673 cases since April 2018 (who many people were actually expelled) and that was 0.1% of the members in any of his interviews?
Did Corbyn apologise at any time prior to the Schofield interview? Again I didn'tsee it if he did.
Labour went to extraordinary lengths to combat this, but data or apologies (multiple explicit apologies were ignored) were going to do nothing – and indeed could never do anything.
Simply not true. Corbyn did not go to extraordinary lengths at all, he fact he completely screwed it up in all the interviews I saw him in (which is pretty much all of them). I notice you keep saying Labour did this, Labour did that. They may well have done things but Corbyn didn't which i the problem here, it appeared HE wasn't in control of it or portraying the scale of it or what HE was doing about it.
And remember, I actually like Corbyn for his integrity and what he stands for and I agree they don't have an AS problem. That doesn't mean he didn't make a complete hash of being a leader over the last 2 years though...
Corbyn is a ****, but he’s not racist or antisemitic.
I, like most people don't think Corbyn is anti Semitic, but the investigation by the ECHR isn't about Corbyn (or any other individual for that matter), it's about whether the Labour party as an institution is. Like the Lawrence inquiry into the the Met when it found that it was Institutionally racist. It's not about individuals it's about whether the party as an institution has policies or acts in a way that disadvantages Jewish members.
The Equality and Human Rights Commission (not European Court of Human Rights) that Labour set up in the first place, you mean.
I'd be astonished if it found against labour. Especially as they have instituted a process.
There'll be criticism, of course, but at least they have an auditable process - unlike other parties that aren't even being audited.
Yup. A big part of what Corbyn failed to deal with was the ridiculous double standards- Tories insisting Labour sign up to the IHRA definition when the Tories hadn't themselves frinstance. Or the current absolute fiasco of the Tory islamophobia "enquiry". He did try- the constant "we reject all forms of racism" frinstance- but he always did it in a way that could only work if everyone involved was actually fairminded and open, which of course was daft.
It’s speeches like that that made me really like JC. It’s his singular failure to make (or at least project into the public domain) any speeches like that in the last few years that made me despair of him.
No place for gentle, reasonable, nice people at the top of politics. Loud and nasty always overwhelms and grabs public attention.
Jonathan Pie for PM?