[Closed] Anthrax laced heroin.

Well surely its the society that has more or less forced them into growing it as a source of income.

These people are very poor also and uneducated. Perhaps the war lords that effectively force them into growing it in the first place are really the ones answerable? Unfortunately its one big cycle that will never end, while ever there is demand people will grow it, however you may argue that by it being there in the first place creates the demand. Which came first the addict or the grower?

It will never end but in reality its less of a drain on society then alchohol, cigarettes and fat cluckers or even pension stealing bankers.

You can't beat a good bit of recreation every now and again though can you.

The frankly scarey and closed minded opinions of some of this forum's users are, im my opinion, part of the problem.

As cited many times already, addicts don't set out to become addicts. The illegal drug world is also not simply supply driven, the notion of 'pusher men' corrupting people with no desire to take drugs is also a bit of a fabrication.

So why do people take drugs? Because we live in a society where we're not preapred to do enough to take care of the least fortunate. The majority of users have lives so depressing that we can't begin to imagine what motivates them. A more philanthropic society where people didn't think that the disadvantaged should be poisoned (or killed!), where we were all more prepared to contribute more to the communal pot would have the benefit of reducing the disparity in wealth we currently see and provide more hope to those who clearly need All of our help.

Merry Xmas.

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_S._Burroughs ] William S. Burroughs [/url]

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Kiedis ] Anthony Keidis [/url]
To the best of my knowlege both of these junkies pay (or have paid) taxes,don't rob or steal (although Burroughs did shoot somone in a somewhat tragic accident!), but are both well respected in the individual fields, both are (were) cursed with addictive personalites.

Rapid dogs.................

lycra man
come round to a few addresses with me on xmas morning pal,
have a look at young kids sleeping on the floor in a room with no furniture, and no presents at all, only thing they will get at xmas is a punch, or if a little less lucky a good shagging!
this is the reality of life in 2009, and i dont police an inner city area, there are dozens of kids in that position this xmas where i work, and a lot of them live that kind of 'life' 365 days a year
its no wonder they turn to drugs, i find your comments unbelievable, and doubt if you would make them if you knew what lives some kids live in.
i dont like smackheads, they do some terrible things to fund their addiction, and it would be easy to say 'put them down, its no loss'
but it really isnt as easy as that

have a look at young kids sleeping on the floor in a room with no furniture, and no presents at all, only thing they will get at xmas is a punch, or if a little less lucky a good shagging!

I know of a child who was re-homed and said to the foster carer, "Is this my bed?" Foster carer sas "yes", child says, "but it's dry and clean!"

I know of another case where the child didn't get fed except at school. Their clothes never got washed and the child was overjoyed to come to school each day. He was 6 years old and often left home alone.

And other cases of children covered in bruises.

In all these cases the parent/s were discovered to be drug addicts.

There are others I could mention, but frankly are too harrowing to even think about.

And I totally reject the argument that it's the fault of our society that forces an individual into taking drugs. Utter utter nonsense! If this was true, there would be vastly more drug users in this country. Being poor is not an excuse. There are many more poor people who get by.

I heard Michael Caine say today that there are 30,000 drug users on benefits in this country. Shameful!

What we need is for individuals to accept a lot more personal responsibility, instead of blaming someone/something else all the time!!!

No you're right, sorry - in one of them rich middle-class IT managers put themselves at risk of harm requiring rescue services and NHS treatment deliberately for fun

This is the most offensive thing in this thread, Im a 19 year old student, how dare you tar me with that brush!

Rapid dogs.................

Best. Typo. Ever.

[i]And I totally reject the argument that it's the fault of our society that forces an individual into taking drugs. Utter utter nonsense! If this was true, there would be vastly more drug users in this country.[/i]

[url= http://www.****/health/article-302531/Special-report-Binge-drinking.html ]One in four out of control on drugs reports Daily Mail[/url]

[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3121440.stm ]How much does this scourge imapct society?[/url]

I have huge sympathy for the people who've lost a loved one to drugs, I have huge sympathy for those whose lives are blighted by the wreckage that surrounds junkies - I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people who choose to take illegal (or legal) drugs and then get themselves addicted, they are selfish, greedy idiots.

Saying that nobody chooses to become a junkie is shite- thats the same as saying noone 'chooses' to become a cigarette smoker - of course they do, they CAN stop, any addict CAN stop, its just that its not always easy to do, well - life 'aint always easy, so crack on and stop moping in self pity - the more we feel sorry for someone who chooses to do that with their life, the more they are allowed to wallow in victimhood and not take responsibility for pulling themselves back up out the hole, the best thing we can do as a society is offer them ladders out that hole, not give them methadone to let them stay down there.

In the same way, I have huge sympathy for those who have lost a loved one to mountain biking, parachuting and soldiering - however none whatsoever for the people who chose to take the gamble themselves and lose. If I get killed doing something that I enjoy, I wouldn't want anyone to feel sorry for me, I'd want them to realise that I died doing something I loved, and theres no better way to go! The soldiers I know feel pretty much the same about their own lives, they know the risks, but your hearts go out to the families and kids left behind.

A few years ago, someone I worked with stole certain incredibly strong drugs from work and took them recreationally, her boyfriend OD'd on them and died, very messy all round! Do I feel sympathy for him? not one bit. Should I? No, not one bit, he took it knowing it was a dangerous drug, and he lost. - should I feel sympathy for Katie, a lovely girl, who ended up losing her boyfriend, job, friends and spent a year and a half in the nick, all because she stole drugs from work and gave them to her boyfriend? should I really feel sorry for her? I don't think so, she was a bloody idiot, a nice girl, who did something bloody stupid and paid the price for doing so, sorted herself out and came out a better person for it.

That doesn't mean she's worthless, or a member of the untermensch, but she still has to take the responsibility for her actions.

Zulu Eleven, your final anecdote concerning the recreational drug use of an ex colleague has no bearing on drug addiction or the issues that inevitabley surround it. However what it does do and what the rest of your post re enforces, is highlight your absolute lack of knowledge on the subject beyond what you have gleaned from the lower reaches of the right wing media and alerts the rest of us to avoid your future postings if we may be searching for anything other than ill informed, Littlejohnesque twaddle.

Merry Xmas.

the drug users i come across are not rich recreational users , playing at it
they are taking drugs to escape something that has happened to them, i dont think i can ever convince the doubters on here, just wish i could show you what a pathetic,dreadful, loneley,life they lead

As cited many times already, addicts don't set out to become addicts

No. I agree. In my view, for some users all its takes is a wrongturn or a bit of bad luck and they'll increase their recreational usage to help them over the rough patch. I know many people over the years who have recreationally used Skunk, coke etc and they know its cool to say 'it gives them a buzz' and 'how much they partied the other night'.

The sad thing is its already got a hold on them. Just waiting for something to happen in their life 🙁

Trailmonkey - really, I only know about this from "right wing media?"

I'll Happily take you for a drive around North Yorks and point out the houses of the Smack users I've known over the years, both of those who got addicted and those who didn't.

I'll also point out a few chronic pot users, including my brother, and a few alcoholics, and a couple of people with eating disorders, a few gamblers.

How are then any different? They're all addicts, they all choose their own fate, otherwise everyone who drank would be an alcoholic "waiting to happen."

Tell you what, I've taken drugs recreationally, I've been through shit in my life, I've been depressed - why don't I just give up and relax, stop being ambitious and driven and wallow in my own self pity, why don't I stop working and let you guys pay for my house and food, shite, you might as well pay for me to spend my days and nights shitfaced on fairy liquid, why should I even bother? ****ing sight easier than dragging my arse into work every day!

The "take drugs to escape something dreadful that has happened to them" is no reasoning - otherwise everyone who had something bad happen to them would have carte blanche to go and throw their lives down the toilet, the fact that people DO get over addiction, the fact that not everyone who's been through shit in their lives ends up an addict shows that its a personal choice, not a predetermined outcome.

I find myself strangely wondering whether some people do need a religious framework to learn tolerance, compassion, respect

Hallelujah! [I'm being serious]

Zulu-eleven has pretty much read my mind.

the fact that not everyone who's been through shit in their lives ends up an addict shows that its a personal choice, not a predetermined outcome

Does it ? I'd say that it quite clearly shows that some people are predetermined to react to trauma or distress in different ways to others. Do you know the work of John Gaunt ? Get some for Xmas, you'll love it.

Ah, predetermined?

So, next time we've got a thread about fatties, we should all feel sorry for them because some of them overeat to cope with stress/unhappiness/depression - because they're "predetermined" to do so?

Deadly serious question there trailmonkey - because *some* do it to cope with problems in their life, should we feel sorry for fatties? is food addiction any different from smack addiction?

"...addicts - choose their own fate" - wow, that's harsh, perhaps you should reflect on that statement and be glad that you've been dealt a better hand. Lots of drug users work and pay tax, lots of "straight" people are benefit thieves.

Burning poppy fields in Afghanistan isn't going to solve anything - we need to have a long hard look at why folk need to be anaesthetised against life.

Maybe politicians need to be looking at the gap between the haves and the have-nots? (eg expenses scam - duck house ffs?) The seeming impunity from the law that the rich/famous enjoy? The lure/false promises of advertising?

Also, I think I read that some people are genetically predisposed towards addiction. So, if someone is genetically predisposed to cancer, should they be left to rot too?

I find myself strangely wondering whether some people do need a religious framework to learn tolerance, compassion, respect

No. I abhore religion. I do beleive in God but I do not beleive in mind control by other humans.

I am tolerant, compassionate and respect others. This was self-learnt through the ability to EMPHASISE 🙂

Tried, but can't keep out of this one!!
My job brings me into contact with addicts daily.
Some nice, some leeches on society once addicted and some leeches on society before they were addicted but now have an excuse!!
Relative was a junky for years, she turned her life around and is now married. She is guess one of those that some in this thread would have given up on?
But don't go thinking am soft on addicts. EVERYONE comes to a junction in life and most make a conscious decision to take a specific fork. have had the opportunity to use cocaine, cannabis, speed and heroin. Some friends did, I never chose to. Had I made the conscious decision to use, who's fault would the consequences have been? The dealer, no not really. There are hundreds of deadly things available to us, when a fatal car crash occurs, is it Fords fault.....
We are all individuals who's choices are there to be made. We live in a free country. Death, taxes and jail if we do wrong are unavoidable and will be enforced by the state, everything else is choice.
I go to lots of overdoses, all sad but only because it is a human life. The majority of OD's are of benefit to society as a whole, each addict is responsible for a MASSIVE slice of crime in his/her local area,but not to the family who have lost a much loved son, daughter, mother or father.
When you see the children who are involved in the life of a junkie, it is shocking.
I shall stop now or else i could go on for days.
It's a shame that this link is off line, it would open some eyes on this forum but the introduction is very informative. Favorite it and re visit when it is up and running again, if you bothered to post on this thread you should see it.
http://www.talesofgloucester.co.uk/

Saying that nobody chooses to become a junkie is shite- thats the same as saying noone 'chooses' to become a cigarette smoker

it's not i chose to be a smoker - i did not choose to become addicted. too seperate but related things. do you drink? if you do then have you chosen to be an alcoholic? no of course not.

of course you chose to become addicted.
start smoking become addicted.simple.

Legalising and regulating doesn't work either.

Doesn't it?

The thing that gets me is after reading all this is that it is a known fact that drugs DO screw up peoples lives and not just the folk taking them.

We are supposed to be an "educated" society and everyone has been through the education system (remember it is law) and a legal system that has outlawed drugs

Is the words NO THANK YOU (to drugs) that hard to use, please explaine

No I am not whiter than white I have been absolutly clattered (pissed) on many occasion, and stepped over the line on many occasion but never have my actions inflicted misery on othere people

Is the words NO THANK YOU (to drugs) that hard to use, please explaine

I have been absolutly clattered on many occasion

Clearly the answer for you, and most other people, is yes.

clattered on beer I hasten to say sorry rich I should of said pissed I guess

clattered on beer

Which as we all know is fine and never causes anyone any harm and definitely isn't a drug.

Alcoholics are just as bad as any other addicts IMO and I think saladdodger would agree.

Yeah we should kill them all as well as the smackheads, along with disabled people and gypsies. Merry christmas. 😐

I am tolerant, compassionate and respect others. This was self-learnt through the ability to EMPHASISE

And you even put "emphasise" in capitals. If I wasn't familiar with your postings I'd be tempted to think there was a spark of comedy genius present.

Legalising and regulating doesn't work either.

This is really funny, illegal drug supply and drug/alcohol misuse are normal elements of society just like sex offending, People Traffciing, Illegal immigration and the host of Violence against the person Offences.

Drug and Alcohol addicts have made a concious choice to abuse what God has given them, people stay on drugs because they are too lazy to make the effort and change their behaviour, its just too hard and they know best anyway. Some do want to change but only usually when they are facing prison, they can opt for community treatment and walk free from the courts!

Residential detox is effective but prohibitively expensive.

Needle Exchange is woefully under used so needles are being resued and shared, this increases HEP B and C infections. this is also an indication of lazyness. did you know that anyone can walk into boots and demand a needle exchange kit, just give a fake date of birth, and bobs your uncle!

PJ266 - Member
Alcoholics are just as bad as any other addicts IMO and I think saladdodger would agree.

Yes I would

my step sons dad was a alcoholic and he has not realy seen him since the age of 4 and it has affected him to this day with unplesant memories

He is now 18 btw