[Closed] Anthrax laced heroin.

it was hardly a life contributing a whole load a better society was it?

Unlike you being a nasty uncaring ****? It's people like you that drag society down. It's really tempting to hope you get into difficulty and have a drug problem one day. 😥

Obviously addicts deserve some compassion but you just cant compare it to a hobby!

No you're right, sorry - in one of them rich middle-class IT managers put themselves at risk of harm requiring rescue services and NHS treatment deliberately for fun, in the other usually poor and desperate people harm themselves and others as a by-product of misguided drug laws.

Yes - took drugs, went on the game, did she die

yes she died. Parents were junkies and she got started at 15.
How did she stand a chance? Not everyone gets the breaks in life!

hardly a life contributing a whole load a better society was it?

so you'd support my suggested enforced sterilisation programme then?
Should we extend it to benefit cheats?

It's people like you that drag society down

"I don't sell my body either."

Who'd want it?

so you'd support my suggested enforced sterilisation programme then?

Chunkybloke - not all people that do heroin are unemployed and steal from others to fund their habits - some have jobs, pay taxes too...... I take it that a heroin user that works and pays taxes should be treated differently and doesnt deserve to die of anthrax?????????????

Chunkybloke: you say 'No, we all have our choices to make regardless our upbringing.'

Really?

yes, go back and read it again and tell me which part you need to explained

koona, - IME every user I've met is a dole scrounging thief. Not one deserves the oxygen they breath and I would put every one of them down like a dog with rabies.

Please explain then. Some people do not have opportunities that others have.

Also, if an unemployed mountain biker injures themselves whilst riding and needed help on the NHS, should they have it, seeing as they do not pay tax?

no one chooses to become an addict.

cbilycra unless you've never had a drink, a cigarette or any kind of drug get off that high horse.

how desperate does someone have to be to mug a 89 year old women? i feel terribly sorry for that elderly lady- no one deserves that but at the same time i feel compassion for the addict; i hope i will never feel so bad, so addicted that i stoop to something so vile.

Did I say that? Feel free to post the quote of where I did.

No you said that they should be put to death by being forcefed anthrax. I was really trying to talk you down to sterilisation. But okay would all criminals be put to death by the CBIL Termination Squads or just the ones on herion?

And what about the other people that don't contribute to your utopian society?
Should they die too?

Please provide your list of approved lives so we can check we all qualify.

we all have our choices to make regardless our upbringing. Your life, your responsibility

So if you're brought up by junky parents, suffer child abuse and god knows what, then it's your own fault if you don't "choose" to go to a top university and get a nice job in the city?

Alcoholic junkie parents - I'm neither
School was hard and I was out by the age of 15. Yet somehow, I've managed to get a decent life.
As for the mountain biker comment, biking's a hobby, not a lifestyle. //junkies will rob steal to get their fix. I have never seen a headline saying a mountain biker mugged a pensioner to pay for a new chain
Stupidity's not your fault either

Also, most addicts do not want to be the way they are, they want to change, but the help is not there. Government rehabilitation programmes are a joke - they are not funded properly as there is no guarantee of success, it is all a numbers game, so much better to put money into something with a tangeable result. Also, better for the Daily Mail readers to know that the Government is putting resources into treating obesity (legal) than heroin (illegal).

No you said that they should be put to death by being forcefed anthrax

Who was "forcefed" anthrax? Didn't the junkies buy a drug already known to be regularly cut with who knows what?And aren't these excuses for humanity just creatures that most of us won't miss anyway?

Chunkybloke - is an unemployed mountain biker contributing to society? Is a working heroin user contributing? This is regardless of mugging old ladies.
Problem is that a drug like heroin is so addictive that it turns your average working person into a helpless addict quickly, they can become homeless, lose their job etc, then have to take drastic measures to survive - which I do not condone. If the help was provided then it would not be a problem (or less of a problem).
And no, stupidity is not my fault, obviously......

So if you're brought up by junky parents, suffer child abuse and god knows what, then it's your own fault if you don't "choose" i to go to a top university and get a nice job in the city?

See my previous post. I didn't go to a "top university" - or any university in fact, and I don't work in the city. I also know that there's a world of oppotunity between benefit scrounging and "the city". But then I just live my life

Moralising aside, why would a drug baron cut heroin with anthrax? I understand the economics of selling a diluted product for the same price, but anthrax?

"Hmm" says the drug baron, "what shall I dilute my product with? Sugar? Bicarb of soda? Obscure, and I would imagine difficult to acquire, biohazardous agent? Well, obviously, the third option"

??

Is a working heroin user contributing? This is regardless of mugging old ladies.
Problem is that a drug like heroin is so addictive that it turns your average working person into a helpless addict quickly, they can become homeless, lose their job etc, then have to take drastic measures to surviv

Do you need me to point out where you're contradicting yourself?

Who was "forcefed" anthrax?

YOU said that they should be...

feed them some anthrax... I would put every one of them down like a dog with rabies.

All I want to know is which other groups of people should be put to death in your Final Solution?

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Moralising aside, why would a drug baron cut heroin with anthrax? I understand the economics of selling a diluted product for the same price, but anthrax?

I would have thought Anthrax would be harder to get hold of than heroin so it does seem a strange choice.

One of my best and oldest mates is a smack head. He also runs a small, successful business and is a loving family man with three great kids and a lovely wife. He puts in eight hour days like the rest of us, pays his taxes and generally lives an honest and upright life.

I asked him why he hadn't tried kicking it properly (he's had a few abortive attempts) and what he's getting out of it. He reckons he's self medicating - he used to be a bit of a miserable, depressive bugger when we were at school and he is much more 'rounded' now. I still reckon he'd be fine without it now - it's been years since he was straight...

Anyhoo, my point is that he's been through the methadone programme, which just plain don't work - they have something like a 98% failure rate and most addicts just use the meth to supplement their habit - some vomit it up outside the chemist and sell it to other addicts to buy the real deal (I've seen this happen with my own eyes!!).

I have to agree with those who have recommended free smack at the tax payers expense BUT along with a sustainable rehab programme for those who want out. Drug related crime (and the related expense) would pretty much disappear, there'd be help available for those who wanted it and old ladies could walk the streets a little more safely.

What's not to like?

Heroin addiction can start off as just recreational use, which the user thinks they can control, and can use spare cash to pay for. If / when they become addicted, this is when it stops becoming recreational, and more drastic things happen. So initially I am not contradicting myself, but yes, it can lead to mugging old ladies etc.

Drug use normally starts off as recreational, which mountain biking is too, and shopping, and playing on the playstation, and posting on forums. Some of these I like, some of these I don't. Same as other people really. Unfortunately recreational use of heroin quickly leads to addiction, as said before this needs more resources put into treatment by the Government.

HOT NEWS - you can buy a drug that might kill you. Anyone who choses said drug is welcome to have it. Where did I say any one should be [b]forcefed[/b] it?
A few dead junkies - who cares? Seriously, every dead junkies is a few less mugged pensioners and a few dozen fewer houses broken into - and all for the loss of someone that no-one really cared about. how is that a bad thing?

See my previous post... Alcoholic junkie parents - I'm neither. School was hard and I was out by the age of 15. Yet somehow, I've managed to get a decent life.

But surely your parents contributed nothing and by your own teachings should be put to death?

Anthrax for chistmas this year?

Where did I say any one should be forcefed it?

err I think the first bit where you said "feed them some anthrax"?

Heroin addiction can start off as just recreational use, which the user thinks they can control, and can use spare cash to pay for. If / when they become addicted, this is when it stops becoming recreational, and more drastic things happen. So initially I am not contradicting myself, but yes, it can lead to mugging old ladies etc.

Are you familiar with the phrase "you're just talking shyte"?

Is heroin use better or worse than feeding your kids turkey dinosaurs???

But surely your parents contributed nothing and by your own teachings should be put to death?

Where did I say any one should be forcefed it?

err I think the first bit where you said "feed them some anthrax"?

Stop TALKING SHITE

[url= http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=drug+related+crime&word2=mountain+bike+related+crime ]Ok, I'm off to bed anyway[/url]

Chunkybloke - no great loss losing your parents?

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/doing-something-new-my-mums-great

I do not understand.

You may not be familiar with the concept of foster care and foster parents, it works like this - useless junkie parents abandon child to the <ahem> care of the state. State places child in dormitory type home. Home fosters child out to a variety of "caring" homes, some of which just want the "caring" allowance, others just want access to pre-teen children. Then you get someone who really care, and who really does fill that hole in your life. That's a 5 line summary of being the child of junkie parents. other benefits include knowing that you're a meal ticket to be dragged round the dole offices when they remember you're there and find you. then you get the do-gooders who think you're the way to help the useless scum get their lives back onbtrack when you, at 12 know all mummy and whatever d1ck is daddy this week want is a couple of bucks to get themselves fixed up.
I'm always happy to remember the woman who I think of as my real mother so thanks for posting that

If your parents were junkies CBIL then surely they contributed you, even if they managed nothing else? isn't that worth something? You said yourself you've now got a decent life.

If you really believe that your biological parents should have been "put down like dogs" then I honestly think you should probably consider speaking to someone professionally.

Yup - you've got one massive chip on yer shoulder Sir. The world and its inhabitants can't be forced into your good / bad worldview.

Some MTBers are kind, pleasant people. Some are just c0cks. Some junkies are evil, bike thieving, granny mugging tossers, some are kind, pleasant people with a problem no-one is able to help them with.

For the record, as an MTBer, I can't help feeling you fall into the latter category.

Chubbyblokeinlycra...are you Jeremy Kyle in disguise? If you had a kid (Somebody gets REALLY drunk at a party and sleeps with you)and they end up an addict,would you still feel the same way?

Junkyard; well said (never thought I woud type that)

CBIL - What if the heroin addict attacks/mugs apensioner who has never worked and been chronically alchoholic all hs life? Or old man who abuses children? Are these two people deserving of the violence that is eroniously linked with the drug? Is this a case of social eugenics happening? I think that by assuming that all old people are law obiding and have never done anything reproachable is a little nieve isn't it?

Also what about the fat peple who are too fat to work? Should they be put down ad left to rot? You have the assumption that by killing all people who do these things and these people not having children the problem goes away! Unfortunately I think you'll find this is not the case at all and to believe it is boardering on stupid enough to fall in to your own death trap. I will laugh when the CBIL SS come round and inject you with zyclone B becaus eyou have failed to meet you own criteria for worthy of life!

Why not burn all the poppy fields of Afghanistan and actively shoot all the traffickers and hang their bodies from trees?

You know- do it the Arab way. With force instead of ****ing around trying to appeal to peoples good nature when they havent even been brought up with the same western-bollocks ethics?

Go to the source and stop ****ing around.

Its totally impossible to do that. While ever there are humans there will be drugs/crime. Heroin use is documented in egyption times. Oh and go to Afghanistan and burn all the poopy fields? Isn't that what were supposed to be doing right now? Only I'm sure we've stopped because to win the hearts and minds of the people out there we have to help them make a living and guess what, growing heroin for drug trafficing is how they make a living.

alex222, Lewis Hamilton would sort Afghanistan out 😉

+1 😆

Alonso may be just slightly better at it though.

really? the people who go to work every day paying their taxes to keep the junkie scum in benefits and methadone? well, i'm ashamed of myself, i really am
i've never broken in to someone's house to fund an addiction I was stupid enough to get involved in and I don't sell my body either. I believe we are resposible for our own actions
How does our society survive with people like me in it?

Well only if you think that your ability to pay taxes entirely defines your worth as a person.

I agree with GrahamS - your experience has (perhaps understandably) turned you into an extremely bitter and vindictive person.

I suppose it's partly just the impersonal nature of the internet but there seems to be many people who revel in being uncaring, selfish and judgmental, as if it's something to be proud of.

As an agnostic leaning strongly towards atheism, I find myself strangely wondering whether some people do need a religious framework to learn tolerance, compassion, respect etc, when they seem to be unable to find it in themselves.

I feel sorry for drug addicts. Great waving your Guardian whilst sat in your pompous high throne.

Its why I stopped smoking drugs/Whizz etc when I was younger. One of the tactics used by dealers to get customers to become 'longterm' customers is to mix in harder drugs etc. So Coke users can unwittingly try something truly mindblowing. **** that. Sorry. I feel sorry for users- its the source that should feel alot of pain. Poppy farmers because its to feed their families? Oh my heart bleeds for them and the misery they cause. Thats all.

This problem exists everywhere now. I know people who deal with the consequences of drug taking. I was shocked and surprized how close to home this is and even exists in some pretty affluent areas. The worst thing for me are the effects it has on small children. Shameful stuff and truly heart wrenching!

Re-introducing the death penalty for drug dealing and trafficing would go a long way to ridding the streets of this toxic filth. We did away with capital punishment because convictions were/are sometimes unsafe. In other parts of the world, tolerance to drug dealing is zero. I expect their take is that thay'd rather rid themselves of the lowlife that pedal drugs, rather than rehabilitate. I think deterring this behaviour is a secondary matter. Harsh, but is it effective?

You then hear about the poverty stricken farmers in places like Afghanistan. Why can't they just grow food? What are their useless governments doing about it? We may not understand their culture, but if it's causing mayhem in our community we need to intervene. Our efforts there should be all about erradicating the opium trade. I'd buy into the war there if this was the justification, not the current implausible excuse (i'm still unsure why we are out there with our people getting killed).

Sure enough, drugs are a cause of a lot of misery for all, but I believe you have to tackle the issues that leads an individual to start using this stuff. This is the real crux of the matter.

Abusive and or neglectful parenting has a lot to do with producing a fresh crop of new users. If you have two or three generations of a family who haven't a clue, what chance have you got?

Then there are stupid people who have absolutely no self-control, who like taking crazy risks, but who have otherwise completely stable settled lives. I feel little sympathy for these hedonistic selfish types, but they fall victim just like all the rest.

I really have no idea how you fix this problem. Education clearly hasn't worked, nor a softly softly approach, neither has a firm one. Political correctness wouldn't allow a very robust intervention such as what I have suggested at the beginning of this post. Legalising and regulating doesn't work either. So we have deadlock while the problem spirals. Depressing!!

Anyone got any sensible ideas for a solution?