I'm with both SaxonRider and Jamba on this.
So many poisonous and uninformed comments - and so many years after the event; what were your view immediately after her disappearance?
'Respectable, middle class' parents who now know how to keep the investigation alive and where to turn for PR/media coverage.
Comparisons with parents from different background are unavoidable and the assumptions about whether or not police interest would have been maintained after so many years are probably correct.
At what point does the Home Office say....this is now a 'cold case' and we will not spend any more money investigating? If/when they do, pitchforks all round.
From a cynical perspective, this allows the Express to continue pushing sensationalist 'Maddy' headlines and, in the process, further enriching dirty des.
To put this in extremely simple terms - she is, almost certainly, dead; the likelihood of finding out what happened is reducing every year; the authorities are scared to say 'our investigation is over' because the McCanns' PR team will spin that across the media and god help anyone in their way; the parents, understandably, want to maintain some hope but their expectations must be managed realistically.
The whole leaving the kids thing is a red herring in this case. It’s just a stick to beat the parents and “justify” not spending money on the investigation.
They left their kids alone in an apartment while they had fun with their mates quite a distance away. Their irresponsibility was punished. Your irresponsibility wasn’t. I can understand the need to justify what you did though.
While on our first “resort” holiday with child a few years ago, I took a stroll while mrs DD was asleep in our little chalet type thing with dd. As you do, I stopped to have a beer at the pizza/bar nearest to our accommodation. And as you do, I compared my distance to our accommodation to the distance between the McCann’s accommodation and the Tapas bar. It was around the same. It felt way too far - and we were in a fairly enclosed area, not with accommodation bordering a public road. My opinion on the McCanns and their mates kinda went south that night.
Having said all that, my gut feeling (because none of us knows the truth) is that they did something stupid, were unlucky enough to be punished for it and have to live with that decision for the rest of their lives. If they’d killed her either by accident or by intention, surely they’d have said a few years ago, “I think we’ve got away with it now...let’s just let it go...” (Again, pure speculation, I don’t know how it feels to be a murderer yet. Just how long would you keep up the pretence?)
Kate McCann was perfectly entitled to remain silent when asked those questions. Some of them sound a bit “leading” to me.
That they done it.what were your view immediately after her disappearance?
Now know? They were at it from day one.'Respectable, middle class' parents who now know how to keep the investigation alive and where to turn for PR/media coverage.
Leading to you? We have a new suspect!
So what did happen to her?Conspiracy theories welcome.
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km79 - yeah, right.
BTW - s/b 'that they did it'; not 'done it'.
What were they at from day one?
Any evidence for your view? No? didn't think so.
So much speculative bollocks from some contributors.
But this story is 11 years old and we’ve heard [i]every[/i] opinion on [i]every[/i] eventual posibility outcome.
I think the point is there is [b]another[/b] £154k being thrown at a case that’s been concluded plenty of times when the money could be better spent looking for teenagers that went missing last week.
T’is all.
I think that the tax payer has spent enough on this fruitless search. She's dead and I think that the McCaans know it for sure.
He who rides the tiger can never get off.
Aww has i did it rong?BTW - s/b 'that they did it'; not 'done it'.
the parenting of skills on show are irrelevant to the amount spent.
If it costs 11 m to find her then its worth it. But they wont. And its 11 m that could have been spent improving or saving the lives of many other children in the uk.
This country seems to throw endless reserves of cash at certain high profile cases (not just missing kids) but seems to have no cash to pay for treatments and services that would transform the lives of the masses. Thats what gets me.
If it costs 11 m to find her then its worth it.
Not trying to start an arguement, but I honestly don’t think it is.
KM - yawn.
Grown-ups stick to the facts and use fact-based arguments, You should try it sometime - dependant, of course, on your intellectual capability.
Aye, and arseholes point out bad grammar on internet forums.
TO be fair to those who said they left their kids, they did that before this happened, many of those who think they were wrong were informed by this event.
The parenting of Maddie that night was neglect pure and simple, they should have been charged with neglect and put in court. If this had been a council estate in Middlesbrough and the parents were down the Park smoking crack (rather than sipping proseco) they would probably still be locked up for manslaughter. It's obvious there is something the Mcganns are not saying, any human being with nothing to hide would not have fought their innocence with such venom , their focus has not been on finding out what happened but on protecting their position. The Police have continued to investigate as they don't believe the Mcganns
Having avoided this story for years I have no idea if her parents where negligent or worse or not at all but I have always thought the subject is so emotive that the facts get lost.
Ultimately the police force is the leaking sieve in leaking sieve land so if there was some suggestion of complicity by the parents I suspect it would be out there by now.
any human being with nothing to hide would not have fought their innocence with such venom
Thats not entirely fair. If I had my child abducted but was repeatedly accused of murdering her I think I'd be protesting my innocence pretty hard.
TO be fair to those who said they left their kids, they did that before this happened, many of those who think they were wrong were informed by this event.
I've never once thought "better not leave my three year old by himself, he might get abducted like that McCann kid" it's more the fact that he's three years old. To leave him alone would just be plain wrong.
I genuinely can't believe that people would leave kids of that age alone. 😯
A good friend of mine was the DCI who led the most recent investigation. He was a murder detective (he retired from the service after that investigation) with over 25 years experience of solving murder cases.
He, and no one in his team, for one moment thinks the parents did it.
They are all convinced that the second sighting of a man carrying a young girl around 10pm and several miles away at another resort is the instance of abduction.
Case closed then, eh.?
That’ll be £154k fanks..
bikebouy - Member
But this story is 11 years old and we’ve heard every opinion...
A ****ing men
Maybe there's some people who weren't born at the time who think we still need to hear the "Child left alone??!" ...
There isn't any evidence that Madeleine Mccann was abducted.
The door was unlocked. Seems far more likely to me that she just wandered out alone fell down a hole in one the many nearby building site and got covered up.
Much like Ben Needham.
The 48 questions is a total red herring. From memory the question were answered by her husband so the Police knew what they needed to know. She would have been mental to answer questions as a suspect - we all make verbal slip ups all the time. You answer 48 questions and make a mistake and that will be used as evidence you did it. I never understood this concept until I watched this:
The Cadaver Dogs is also a red herring. From memory they identified the scent on a hire car the Mcans hired after the dissapearance. The idea that in the glare of the worlds media they could have driven a corpse around is a bit far fetched.
Guilty of leaving the girl unattended, no doubt, but there's no evidence they harmed her and no evidence anyone harmed her. Occams razor says she just wandered out alone.
It’s ok, geetee’s plod mates solved it.
Now, let’s examine the evidence that the Express is a “news” paper... 😉
=There isn't any evidence that Madeleine Mccann was abducted.
Other than the fact that she went missing.
Why spend another £154K when you have STWers on the case?
After many years of investigation by multiple police forces it is very unlikely that any new information will be found and, while the case will never be closed, it is time to stop actively investigating it. We are never going to find out the truth, time to move on.
Another thought passed my mind, whilst I am in no way a Judge or Sentancing Officer on behalf of the UKs Justice system, 11 years for guilt of murder means with current application of good behaviour means the murderer/abductee would be out of prison now eh?
There isn't any evidence that Madeleine Mccann was abducted.
Other than the fact that she went missing.
Think about that for a second!
[quote=DezB ]Why spend another £154K when you have STWers on the case?
We don't come cheap you know.
If it costs 11 m to find her then its worth it. But they wont. And its 11 m that could have been spent improving or saving the lives of many other children in the uk.
The parents made a massive mistake, they've paid for it dearly. If it was my child I would hope the police would continue to throw millions of pounds in finding him. I wouldn't say 'just leave it, there are more deserving causes.'
There's some very very heartless people on here.
If it was my child ... I wouldn't say 'just leave it, there are more deserving causes.'
If you had a ginger one you might.
Heartless or are we pragmatic ?
Whilst I understand your point (my sister went missing for 19mths when she turned 18, took us a very long time to a)understand why and b)convince her that the family wasn’t so bad she had to run away from, she didn’t sleep rough she went straight to a convent and worked there helping out with the nuns looking after and feeding the homeless and trying to rehouse “missing children” (over the age of 18))
Missing Kids UK states that an estimated 306,000 reports of missing people are made to British police every year – the majority of which are children and young people under the age of 18. Some children will go missing more than once, and this is a sign that serious harm is being done to the child.Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/25/international-missing-children-day-how-many-children-go-missing-each-year-in-the-uk-6660067/?ito=cbshare
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[url= http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/missingkids ]Missing Children website[/url]
Heartless or are we pragmatic ?
Guess you wouldn't be so pragmatic if it was your child?
Seems far more likely to me that she just wandered out alone fell down a hole in one the many nearby building site and got covered up.
Or fell in the unfenced swimming pool and drowned...........
Gary_M - Member
Heartless or are we pragmatic ?
Guess you wouldn't be so pragmatic if it was your child?
You are quite correct, i do not have children.
However take a peak at the link I posted and maybe all the other Parents in those situations would concur with me, I don't know obvz and I'm not about to go ask one either.
Seems far more likely to me that she just wandered out alone fell down a hole in one the many nearby building site and got covered up.
Or fell in the unfenced swimming pool and drowned...........
I'm pretty sure that someone would have noticed by now if she was in there!
Gary_M - MemberThe parents made a massive mistake, they've paid for it dearly. If it was my child I would hope the police would continue to throw millions of pounds in finding him.
You'd certainly hope, but would you expect? Bearing in mind here that this extra funding that's just been announced, is by itself more than is spent on the average missing child.
I don't like the armchair detectoring but when you get away from that for a minute, it's still madness- regardless of whether The McCanns Dun It, We All Know They Dun It or not, this is money that would have helped other people.
I don't like the armchair detectoring but when you get away from that for a minute, it's still madness- regardless of whether The McCanns Dun It, We All Know They Dun It or not, this is money that would have helped other people.
I'd agree, but if it was my child......
I just don't get what they're going to spend the money on?
Monday morning in the office:
"What are going to do today?"
"Dunno, we've already checked everything eleventy billion times"
"Right then... what did you do at the weekend?"
Gary_M - MemberI'd agree, but if it was my child......
If it was my child that was missing and wasn't getting a fraction of the attention or resource......
Suntan lotion.dooosuk - Member
I just don't get what they're going to spend the money on?
Yes, we are all aware that the actions of a Parent would be both intensive and non exhaustive...
I have to say this:
I would not want to live a life the McCanns have lived since the incident. My little life doesn't compare one iota to the mixed and unpredictable finger pointing they have endured.
Steadfast they have been, committed certainly, unequivocally family people. Lets not forget they have other children who for the majority of their own lives have endured both accusations and recrimination for the Parents actions/lack of action/attitude/social status or whatever speculative finger pointing has been targeted at them. The McCanns have been tried by the Media, Justice and gossip mongers alike. To get up each day and face yet more of the same is for me incomprehensible, the mental torture for them and their immediate family, their friends and colleagues is very hard to understand for a simple Bouy like me.
I wish them well, certainly I do. For this is a situation that will follow them to the end of their lives here, then repercussions spread across their family network for many many years to come.
Awful situation.
I suspect a dingo did it. It wouldn't be the first time.
I just don't get what they're going to spend the money on?
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