Forum menu
Are we not animals now?
Under EU law, animals are currently recognised as being capable of feeling pain and emotion. But MPs have this week voted to drop the inclusion of animal sentience into the Withdrawal Bill.
Just us and the aliens then?
False news. Gove promised higher standards following Brexit and he would never lie...
Anyone know the background to this? Who’s lobbying? What’s the agenda?
Taking back control.....
I'm off to tweak a rabbit and there's nuthin' you snowflake libtards can do about it.....
Is there a more repulsive politician than Gove?
Hard to choose between him, Boris, IDS, Redwood and Hannan, but Gideon just shades it.
What’s the agenda?
Removing pesky restrictions on animal welfare in order to exploit animals more fully. At a guess. Bloodsports? Fox-hunting and badger-baiting can't be cruel if foxes and badges aren't legally sentient.
Green Party MP Caroline Lucas had submitted an amendment clause (NC30) to the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, which sought to transfer the EU Protocol on animal sentience set out in Article 13 of Title II of the Lisbon Treaty into UK law, so animals continue to be recognised as sentient beings under domestic law.At the end of an eight-hour parliamentary debate, the new clause was rejected, with an 18 majority for the Government – 313 against, 295 in favour.
More here:
Vile man. I presume shame is an emotion he does not feel.
experimenting on animals...can't hurt them if they're not sentient.
what a steaming pile of arseholes the Tories are
8 hours to review common sense then overturn it?
I’m waiting for some Karma, we’re told what goes around comes around.. quite when seems a long way a way.
I think it was overturned purely for the fact that the Bullington club can now use real live Pigs for thier perversions. 😈
At a guess. Bloodsports? Fox-hunting and badger-baiting can't be cruel if foxes and badges aren't legally sentient.
FFS, what a bunch of utter ****ers 🙁
Make you wonder what else will sneak through almost unnoticed by the public in all the noise of brexit 🙁
I’m ashamed to be British
Where can we find a list of MP’s that voted for this?
Our Lizard overlords won't like that .
List of MPs who vote aye and no at the bottom... https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2017-11-15a.475.0
Got you lot know how to make a storm from a tea cup. Our welfare standards in all respects are higher than Europe but don't let that get in the way of a good froth.
Fwiw, Badger control, including the use of dogs beneath ground (not baiting!) is perfectly legal in France regardless of the sentient sideshow!
[url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00J8K6JMQ/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 ]Bête by Adam Roberts never looked more prescient...[/url]
Someone needs to tell my dog as she certainly seemed to know what pain was after catching her claw in the car boot lock yesterday.
That's utterly disgusting, I'm not sure how to express.. I'm speechless.
And they say they want to use the so called 'repeal' bill purely to make the administrative process less laborious..
The true colours are shining now..
Even if you don't care about animal welfare this should be sounding an alarm for everyone who thinks we'll transfer all the EU laws and protections to UK law when/if we leave. If you want to imagine the future...
Indeed.. It's very obvious they want to rip up any law that stops them creaming in the cash for thier offshore accounts, and **** every one else.
How can that be a law? Its like saying water isn't wet ffs.
More votes for Labour
They also voted down an amendment to keep all our EU based employment rights after leaving the EU....
You can see the agenda here, bin all health and safety legislation and just focus on becoming a low wage, low skill, tax haven for billionaire newspaper owners.
Vile man. I presume shame is an emotion he does not feel.
He would, but he’s not sentient.
He would, but he’s not sentient.
There's definitely some strong irony in this decision.
Disgusting.
It shows you how much their word is worth when they say they’d just transfer all EU law into UK law.
When we said we’d transfer all laws, we didn’t actually mean ALL....
Amazingly Chris failing Grayling voted like a ****.
He is on my put up the bunting when he dies list.
****.
Human beings are Animals, there is really no diference biologically.
We just are so arrogant we have classified ourselves as separate.
Our track record bears much evidence of being non sentient.
Amazingly Chris failing Grayling voted like a *.
He is on my put up the bunting when he dies list.
*.
He's been on mine since he ****ed the prison service. The blokes a prick.
Got you lot know how to make a storm from a tea cup. Our welfare standards in all respects are higher than Europe but don't let that get in the way of a good froth.Fwiw, Badger control, including the use of dogs beneath ground (not baiting!) is perfectly legal in France regardless of the sentient sideshow!
Good to see so many outraged about animal welfare legislation, just in time to see them go and order their Christmas Turkey from Bernard Matthews
If this is such a big deal where were Labour ?
Voting to try to stop it for the most part. Look at the for/against breakdown.
jambalaya - MemberIf this is such a big deal where were Labour ?
[img] 
[/img]
Removing pesky restrictions on animal welfare in order to exploit animals more fully. At a guess. Bloodsports? Fox-hunting and badger-baiting can't be cruel if foxes and badges aren't legally sentient.
I think the push will be from farming industry, they stand to make the most from not having to adhere to current animal welfare standards. I'm sure a lot of the big farmers will be significant tory donors. One of the tories mooted dropping animal welfare regs so the industry could "self regulate" a couple of years ago but there was a big outcry and it was shelved.
Human beings are Animals, there is really no diference biologically.
They are, but some of us animals are prepared to make concessions to ease the suffering of others, that's called ethics.
I think the push will be from farming industry
It will, but not in the way you think.
The removal of this law is to allow cheap imports of meat that's been in humanly treated.
Because imported inhumane meat is cheaper.
There's a lot to cover. But for now:
[url= https://action.ciwf.org.uk/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=119&ea.campaign.id=82236&ea.tracking.id=7774353c&utm_campaign=politics&utm_source=actionemail&utm_medium=email&ea.url.id=1145923 ]Take action[/url]
And, lest we forget:
[img] 
[/img]
#torystories
Thanks for that..done.
I suspect those who have kids will have a hard time explaining this to them, certainly if they voted Brexit.
I can hear it now “ daddy you and mom voted Brexit didn’t you, so why don’t you care about animal welfare?”
Good luck, but i suspect you’ll not say a word, just continue to stick your heads in the sand.. and think “yea whatevs”
and then continue eating your bacon and sausages and then move on
No offence but if you really GAS stop eating them - they dont really like that bit however "nice" you decide to slaughter them
It's how we're going to win the global race to attract investment post-Brexit.
A world leader in tax avoidance/evasion and experimenting on animals. I can feel my chest swelling with national pride......or is it bile and puke rising in my stomach?
It'll appease the swivel-eyed loons who've been just waiting to overturn any snowflake legislation that stops them chasing and torturing animals to get themselves off.
Of course, raising animals and selling the produce will become much harder due to incompatible legislation.. in a post Brexit world..
“We’d like to,sell you some UK meat”
“Non, merci”
Which of course leads us back down the shit farming practices as Chicken Battery Farms..
My local MP voted "No". Could somebody draft up a suitable email to send to our local MP's if we're against their decision? I mean in my mind it's clear animals perceive pain so maybe there's another definition of the word sentient that I'm not aware of?
I can feel my chest swelling with national pride......or is it bile and puke rising in my stomach?
It's that feeling of racing to the bottom.
Plenty of inhumane treatment of animals within the EU (which has a track record of ignoring the abuses not least in Pork production in Eastern Europe which is still able to be impirted into the UK). The “sentinal” designation makes no difference to hunting which is widely practiced in Europe (much more so than in UK) nor indeed bull fighting in Spain for example.
I did check and Labour did indeed vote against, I had wondered whether this was one of the amendments Corbyn had ordered his MPs to abstain on.
Sorry, and it might just be my failing here, but what is your point here? All I see is whatabouterry
and so it starts.
First they came for the animals, but I did not speak out because I'm not an animal...
before anybody throws Godwin accusations at me, that's not the direction I'm heading here - the point is that whether or not you care about animal welfare (or still eat bacon) this is just the first example of rolling back "pesky" European law which handcuffs companies and stops them making a profit.