[Closed] Andy Gray SACKED by Sky.........

TJ and mk1fan - Not always. If you happened to hold the view that the holocaust did not happen, then by law you are not entitled to express this view.

Not in this country.

BTW there is an article in the guardian today apparently quoting female staff at Sky as saying there is a culture of bullying and sexism at Sky created by Key and Gray.

Ouch there is no UK law (which I fully agree is right BTW). I was under the impression that the UK had adopted this....damn.

Apalogies to you both.

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BTW there is an article in the guardian today apparently quoting female staff at Sky as saying there is a culture of bullying and sexism at Sky created by Key and Gray.

And what good is an article going to do?

If the female employees of Sky feel they are forced (?) to work in inappropriate conditions - such that they don't meet workplace standards - then it is down to them to action the change.

Ultimately, if Sky fail to act, then the women should leave and claim unfair dismissal. There's no shortage of lawyers waiting to take a class action (or the UK equivilant). If conditions are so patently bad they'll easily win. A few hundred compensation payouts of £10k plus and Sky will soon revise working conditions.

If the UK did try and adopt the 'holocaust denial' laws from Austria I would make the effort to protest agaisnt it's adoption.

Richard Keys to go today?

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Watch the vid, even the other blokes clearly think he's a prat.

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[b]deadlydarcy - Member[/b]

Elfin will no doubt be along in a minute to tell me that I only noticed they were crap, because they were female.

[b]Nah. You've already figured that out for yourself.[/b]

Oh God, yeah - thanks for pointing that out.

In fact it sometimes amazes me how I've managed to get thus far through life being so unbelievably stupid that I'm unable to make an observation without my judgement being tainted by someone's sex, or indeed, skin colour.

Have you not yet worked out the difference between blokes at a football ground and people paid to commentate on it?

aracer - it was said off camera, not to the nation. Many things that many people say could be dug up broadcast to the nation if there is an agenda. Maybe there is an underlying trend with this guy indicating that he is rather unpleasant, but if we base this conversation on what was known at the start of the thread, then jeez doesn't it epitomise the OTT attitude of this country and typically a lot of posters on here to over-react at the slightest un-PC comment?

Men take the piss out of women, and believe it or not, women are more than capable of taking the piss out of men. Had this been said about my own Mrs, I doubt I'd have the reaction of some of the saints on here.

if we base this conversation on what was known at the start of the thread, then jeez doesn't it epitomise the OTT attitude of this country and typically a lot of posters on here to over-react at the slightest un-PC comment?

As I've seen pointed out, if they were having a jokey conversation about it, it wouldn't seem that bad. But the fact that they appeared to be so deadly serious about it makes it a little more concerning. It's not really 'banter' is it.

Oh God, yeah - thanks for pointing that out.

Always happy to be of service. You said it yourself. 😛

jeez doesn't it epitomise the OTT attitude of this country and typically a lot of posters on here to over-react at the slightest un-PC comment?

I dont think what they said was at all banter or humour they said it like they meant it which is far worse.

See charming Karren Brady this morning complaining about sexism? Yeah. Do me a favour love," stated Keys.

Those of you in the "harmless bit of banter" camp, have a read of this story...
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Now imagine a manager spoke to your wife/GF/same-sex partner like that at work, and they didn't usually have a jokey relationship.

Would you be cool with that?

Good he's a **** and football is for overpaid Jessies.

cha****ng was that not flirting ffs. My Mrs gets unwanted attention from loads of blokes, bus drivers with lewd comments, customers with sexual innuendo. She tells me about it, I ask her if it bothers her, she tells me its harmless enough. I ask her if she wants me to deal with it, she tells me not to be daft. Life goes on and no-one died, although the reaction might make you think they had

Your idea of flirting is pretty sleazy. 😐

Just because your missus is willing to put up with abuse (was going to say 'be a doormat' but thought that might be a little harsh) don't presume that everyone should have to.

Quite telling that you ask her if she wants you to deal with it, because obviously she isn't capable of doing it herself. 😆

Really - asking someone to clip a mic onto your trousers is sleazy? He hardly got his todger out and waved it in her face.

You thought 'doormat' was a bit harsh, but let me know that's what you think anyway? I can assure you my mrs is no doormat and is more than capable of dealing with 'flirty' men herself. I certainly know when to watch my step.

So me asking her if she wants me to deal with it means she isn't capable of dealing with it herself? No, she is, but I check if it bothers her and if she needs me to deal with it - what is so hard to grasp about that? And what sort of husband would I be if I didn't make sure the situation was ok?

It just happens that she isn't a frikkin mardy cow, who can't handle a few over zealous men without crying abuse.

You carry on passing judgement on people you know nothing about though if it makes you happy.

There's a bit of a conspiracy theory going on that the whole thing is a Murdoch engineered stunt to get rid of Gray, who has been making moves toward suing the News of The World regarding the phone tapping scandal.

Apparently Keys has cited 'Dark forces at work' regarding the leak (Google), and in at least one interview referred to the phone tapping scandal.

Really - asking someone to clip a mic onto your trousers is sleazy? He hardly got his todger out and waved it in her face.

So only actual sexual assault qualifies as sleazy in your book? No wonder you think it's ok for men to harass your wife then. 😕

But if they step over the line you come in and 'deal with it' eh - how exactly? Threaten them? 😆

Nice the way you characterise women who complain about sexual harassment/bullying etc as 'mardy cows' as well - bravo.

Get a grip grumm.

What are your views on porn?

Personally I think it should be compulsory.

As a male working in a predominantly female environment (Nursing) I would like to point out that many of the women I work with are better at the 'lads banter' than the lads.

Sexual references/comments and innuendo go on all the time with the women I work with (and for as my managers are both women).

Is it not sexist as it's aimed at men?

Whether it's right or wrong I can't say but I think there's a few on here who would be shocked by their other halves in when they're together.

i dont think people would everyone can understand a joke and banter but what they said is just disrespectful. Does the banter from your managers say that men cannot do they job as they do not know how to care and asks someone to go explain the basics of the job to you? Perhaps it is something you can laugh at rather than questioning your ability to do the job purely because of your gender? Surely you can see the difference?
If not you are and grey and I claim my £5 😆

Have you not yet worked out the difference between blokes at a football ground and people paid to commentate on it? Maybe Sky should just pull a couple of random geezers from the stands for each match now they have a vacancy

They have done for ages, never seen Fanzone?

What about the soccerettes on Soccer AM, surely Sky must now put a stop to that, that is more wrong than Andy & Richards banter, talk about double standards.

Fire them all ... bloody celebrities ...

[i]As a male working in a predominantly female environment (Nursing) I would like to point out that many of the women I work with are better at the 'lads banter' than the lads.
Sexual references/comments and innuendo go on all the time with the women I work with (and for as my managers are both women).

Is it not sexist as it's aimed at men?

Whether it's right or wrong I can't say but I think there's a few on here who would be shocked by their other halves in when they're together. [/i]

You will also find, if you really get to know the women you work with, that they don't like the casual macho misogynistic crap that they put up with day after day.

Juan has still made the most pertinent comment on this thread; we need to raise IQs, not eyebrows or voices.

How about we ban anyone Asians/Blacks/Muslims/Catholics from football officialdom while we're at....

Pfft. Some useless MAN has made a proper hash of an offside decision in tonight's game. Seems that it's in fact men who don't understand the offside rule... 🙄

Some useless MAN has made a proper hash of an offside decision in tonight's game

Yeh, but did you see the size of the refs thighs?

If I read the word misogynistic on here one more time the mrs is gonna feel my wrath.

Seriously though, I love women - they're great at cooking, keeping the house tidy and sometimes they even let you do the things you see in those films, after a bit of pestering.

I'd have no problem employing a woman either - I wouldn't have to pay her as much and any aspirations of a power struggle would be far easier to repress than with those forceful men.

I don't hate women, they're fab.

[i]You will also find, if you really get to know the women you work with, that they don't like the casual macho misogynistic crap that they put up with day after day.[/i]

Think you missed the point that the FEMALE nurses I work with are full of sexist/sexual comments day in day out. At the moment the target of their affections seems to be the new Physio assistant on site - poor lad don't know where to put himself.

I was trying to point out that much of this stuff goes on both ways - I'm not condoning either sex doing it.

Woody - my wife has just spat strawberries and yogurt all over the table.

Beans - I was in that position once - on teh receiving end of harrassment from a bunch of female nurses. I went ballistic at them point out that they would feel very differently if it was reversed. it never happened again and they were very embarrassed.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Richard Keys gone too now. 20 years in the job, all over cos of his inability to watch his mouth. Not the first time he's been caught out either.

I laugh at the pair of idiots. Bit of 'lad's banter', 'what's the harm etc'- good luck down the labour exchange lads. Probbly a job commentating for some Emirates footy show I'd imagine.

Are you suggesting Woy, Cheatski, Scum, Whinger and Bacon face has no place in the modern world of blokes talking about football 🙄
you really have shown a shocking level of lack of self awareness on this thread and it has fair surprised me ....you really are in no position to lecture anyone over acceptable football banter given where you draw your banter/offence line.

Are you talkin' to me? 😯

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yes but you are just completely in denial and refusing to engage on the issue which reflects poorly on you.

Be'ave Junky. 🙄

you really are in no position to lecture anyone over acceptable football banter given where you draw your banter/offence line.

Don't be so stupid. Where have I resorted to racism, sexism, homophobia etc?

And besides, I'm not a professional football commentator...

When an Italian tells me its pasta on the plate I check under the sauce to make sure. They are the inventors of the smokescreen.

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Co-incidentally, my wife mentioned earlier (not in relation to this thread), how pathetic all the fuss was about this and actually commented about getting far worse at work, but can take it as a bit of fun - they get a slap if it goes too far.

She also commented (and I've not seen this with my own eyes yet) about how the poor woman involved in the mic incident is now seen in the papers looking all hurt and victimised with her cardi buttoned up, which is a stark contrast to a few days before, when she was spread all over them in her underwear.

TandemJeremy - Member

Beans - I was in that position once - on teh receiving end of harrassment from a bunch of female nurses. I went ballistic at them

they'd probably just never seen a pair of dr martens shoes before.

[i]TandemJeremy - Member

Beans - I was in that position once - on teh receiving end of harrassment from a bunch of female nurses. I went ballistic at them[/i]

You poor sensitive little soul.

Personally, I've found dinner and a good seeing to sorts out the little minx's.

Different strokes.......... 8)

Don't be so stupid. Where have I resorted to racism, sexism, homophobia etc

I never said you did ...I used all the words you use in discussing football why not defend them as OK?
Junky - poor fred really poor. Insulting me now whilst chastising others for a lack of respect towards people 🙄 What was it i was saying about lacking self awareness ?

the artist etc - is your wife a stripper?

lol iDave, no she has her own barbers shop.

Most men know where to draw the line and I don't see any harm in a bit of playful innuendo.

Think you missed the point that the FEMALE nurses I work with are full of sexist/sexual comments day

Stop boasting.

the poor woman involved in the mic incident is now seen in the papers looking all hurt and victimised with her cardi buttoned up, which is a stark contrast to a few days before, when she was spread all over them in her underwear.

She was askign for it your honour.

Never said she was asking for it, just that she isn't exactly the shrinking violet that she would have you believe at this moment in time.