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little matty handjob (thank you to whoever on this thread introduced me to that) just announced sum total of support the GM will receive is £22m an have withdrawn the £60m offered earlier.
what a bunch of utterly despicable c-nuts. playing with peoples lives to score political points and wave a big stick ahead of all other regional negotiations.
tories are very quickly turning covid into the miners strike for the millenials
GM will receive is £22m an have withdrawn the £60m offered earlier
Thats despicable.
They could have left that and said " thats all you're getting, like it or lump it" but to take it away.... I don't even have the words.
Well… it’s us in Yorkshire next.
Its interesting to see the difference in speeches from both sides
Andy's was well thought out and well delivered
Boris's is coming across as rushed, blustered and on the back foot
Then Notts....
Just wow.
Disgraceful, hopefully this will haunt them.
https://twitter.com/TomSwarbrick1/status/1318584103797751822?s=09
and instruct the police not to act on it.
I'm not sure that will happen, sadly.
What led us to this inept, corrupt, self-serving, lying, etc, etc bunch of shysters...?
How long until we do get civil unrest. Man oh man.
How long until we do get civil unrest. Man oh man.
Two weeks into January as a No Deal Brexit bites properly, Covid Christmas is over with no end in sight and the country and about 85% of the people in it are bankrupt.
Perhaps Andy can lead the revolt.
What led us to this inept, corrupt, self-serving, lying, etc, etc bunch of shysters…?
Democracy. Or the laughable sham of democracy that we now endure.
Well, that's the Tories losing all their seats in the north west isn't it?! When this response happens to other regions they are effectively signing their own death warrant!
At every single opportunity they have had in this term to do the right thing and do themselves some good PR they have failed in spectacular style! How on earth have they become (and allowed to become) so out of touch with literally evey aspect of the nation that they are governing?
Your post is by far the most hysterical OTT thing I’ve read about Covid and Sweden.
:D. Eh, it's a close-run thing - you should check out some of the hatchet jobs out there on how Sweden is deliberately making the wrong choice because blah blah.
Can we agree at least that right now, we don't actually know what the right choice is, as illustrated by our own government's flapping around from lockdown to not and back again? And that it's probably not a stretch to think that we won't actually be able to assess the relative approaches until about 3-5 years from now, when the full effects of COVID and its associated mental health/ economic/ welfare impact will start to be clearer?
The largest factor in the increase in covid cases in northern cities is due to students returning.
A friends son has just started Uni in Leeds, he's in a hall of residence unit with 7 others, all of whom have covid. Shared Kitchen, shared bathroom and a personal room the size of a cupboard. All for the bargain price of £600 pcm.
That's twice what I pay for a 2 bedroom flat on the edge of central Manchester in a zone with similar halls of residence. The area has been teeming with partying, non social distancing students for the past month.
It's not rocket science is it. Seems to me that the main priority has been to protect the rental income from properties that are essentially covid Petri dishes.
And remember, as Trump would call it, Manchester is a 'Democrat' run city, no chance of the red wall crumbling here so why not play politics with Covid?
Er… have you not been listening to all the Conservative MPs from the area over the last week? They are not happy with the PM… to put it mildly.
I can barely find the words to describe how angry I am! And I’m pretty sure that’s going to the overriding emotion across greater Manchester tonight
The utter *s!!!
They just *ed us big time as an example to everyone else!!
This really is going to be a re-run of the 89’s. Boris should remember that, unlike Thatcher he won’t have the police as a militia on his side.
Businesses are going to go down like dominoes over winter. We have just been well and truly shafted
I’m ****ing apoplectic!
To think that Government were entirely happy to chuck £14m at a non-existent ferry company but are prepared to sell Greater Manchester down the river for £5m. It’s all about making an example of a labour stalwart and make other northern leaders think twice about doing anything other than rolling over and have their bellies tickled.
Guys, could you older clarify for me please?
Gov offered £60m million but as that was not accepted outs now made an effectively punitive offer of £20m?
Kelvin,
I've been listening to them Boris hasn't. As tuboflard says, this is a case of making an example of a Labour stalwart, that's how this plays out nationally.
You've really got to stop thinking of this mob as the Tory party, they are a coalition of the Brexit party, UKIP, the BNP and some remnants of the Conservative party.
Perhaps we should start refering to them as the 'Two Nation' Tory Party.
Just for you Binners.
"And we say,,, You do it this way..."
Guys, could you older clarify for me please?
Gov offered £60m million but as that was not accepted outs now made an effectively punitive offer of £20m?
that seems to be a decent summary
Gov offered £60m million but as that was not accepted outs now made an effectively punitive offer of £20m?
According to BBC news the 20M is a flat rate per capita to fund contact tracing etc but the 60M is still on offer, but obviously that offer needs to be accepted
Just when you think they can't sink any lower...
And these are the geniuses we have in charge of Brexit negotiations.
Where does it say the £60m offer is still on the table? This is the latest update I can see on the BBC website:
The PM’s confirmation that the Greater Manchester area is to go into a tier-three shutdown of much of the hospitality sector at the end of Thursday will be damaging to the local economy but the virus is still spreading rapidly.
The surprising thing here was that £60m of support to businesses placed on the table in negotiations with Manchester at midday appears to have been completely withdrawn.
Where does it say the £60m offer is still on the table?
Was on the 6pm telly news not the website
I'm in a blue bit at the bottom edge of the map above, right at the bottom - and the local Con MP has absolutely laid into the MP. We're the lowest infection rate also. Ballcocks that £60m vanished very fast - watched it live.
I'm getting my bio-hazard top to cycle into Cheshire (less a few miles from my house).
Er… have you not been listening to all the Conservative MPs from the area over the last week? They are not happy with the PM… to put it mildly.
Not surprised, most of the sets that weren’t already blue and are now are the ones that will be hit hardest by both no deal Brexit and this.
I wonder if the Northern Research Group are going to flex any muscle?
apparently ow government are saying that £60m is still on the table. the rationale being that they can't give any more to Manchester per capita head than than merseyside or lanchashire of c £8 per head of population.
the incompetence of their messaging and negotiation is quite staggering, setting aside the fact that they could provide the money if they wanted to and have been spaffing billions on private sector contracts that are failing left right and centre
like binners, i'm genuinely angry and can't remember being so angry about politics since thatcher when i was young and full of teenage lefty piss & vinegar.
i don't live in manchester, but i work there, i go out there, i love the city and a huge chunk of my clients (leisure & hospitality sector) are in the GM area. theyre desperate and at their wits end, theyre scared and angry and feel guilty that they can't help their staff more and pretty much everyone of them thinks they won't survive until the spring
i'm not advocating manchester should be a special case, i'm sure it's the same in merseyside, lanchasire and soon yorkshire and the rest of the north.
it clearly apparent that they genuinely don't give a fack about the north or the communities that have spent so long rebuilding and recovering form the damage that thatcher did
yours, angry from high peak
You’ve really got to stop thinking of this mob as the Tory party, they are a coalition of the Brexit party, UKIP, the BMP and some remnants of the Conservative party.
Perhaps we should start refering to them as the ‘Two Nation’ Tory Party
You can call them what you want, but they're the Conservative Party. They've always been like this. Sometimes they can hide their true nature, but it's always there underneath should you care to look, and comes to the fore in times like these.
Was on the 6pm telly news not the website
And Radio4. Don't know what "on the table" means. A hurried (vague) whisper from a cabinet office press person, I suspect... withdrawing it hasn't gone down well with anyone.
Well that’s a few north west Tory MPs retraining in cyber come the next election
Made me chuckle...
You can call them what you want, but they’re the Conservative Party. They’ve always been like this
at least the thatcher and major governments had some ideological premise to their actions, this bunch of clowns couldn't even spell trickle-down
They just ****ed us big time as an example to everyone else!!
Exactly what I said to my OH about three hours ago. 'Take back control' => obey, citizen. Throw a few povvy Northerners under the bus to set an example so that the rest know to toe the line. JRM's knob must be red raw.
In other news, the Earth has today developed a slightly eccentric orbit. It's George Orwell spinning in his grave.
MP, meant Bojo.
had some ideological premise to their actions, this bunch of clowns couldn’t even spell trickle-down
Trickle down 😂😂😂 ideological premise 😂😂😂
It's just that this lot have realised they don't need to justify what they do. People will vote them in again, as they turn the rage back on the victims.
Just catching up with the news on this and am finding it hard to understand the government's position on this.
I sincerely hope this gets sorted for everyone affected.
Gauss1777
You can tell yourself that if you like but if you can't tell the difference between Cameron, May and this lot then there's no hope for you. There's a difference between ideological differences and pure criminality.
I'm guessing your a Corbynista, if you are you lost and are partly responsible for this s**show. Watching Andy Burnham these last few days is just a reminder of how terribly Labour did at the last 2 elections. Had Burnham been the leader then I don't think May would have had the guts to call an election.
There's more than a few Conservative MP's who withdrew their support and lost the whip, unfortunately only to be replaced by Brexit cast offs and other far right headbangers.
Labour's little experiment with Marxism failed comprehensively and was never going to succeed in the UK. The only hope for the UK is to find where the centre has gone. Blanket hatred of Tories might make you feel better but you are just biting off your nose to spite your face, you're just handing the nation on a plate to Boris, Cummings and JRM.
Burnham is showing true statesmanship, we need more like him.
Burnham is showing true statesmanship, we need more like him.
Yep.
Worryingly, it crossed my mind how much better this crisis would have been handled with Thatcher in charge. That's how badly Boris is doing.
@inkster: I don't think we agreed on much, if anything at all. Never will.
Worryingly, it crossed my mind how much better this crisis would have been handled with Thatcher in charge.
Thatcher as the solution reminds me of 1984:
But it was alright, everything was alright, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.
To think the negotiation prowess on distance lay here is also being put to good use representing us all in Brexit negotiations. 😕
I’m guessing your a Corbynista, if you are you lost and are partly responsible for this s**show. Watching Andy Burnham these last few days is just a reminder of how terribly Labour did at the last 2 elections. Had Burnham been the leader then I don’t think May would have had the guts to call an election.
If Burnham had run a better campaign (which wouldn't be difficult) then more people would've voted for him, so stop blaming others for his mistakes. It's pleasing that he seems to be doing better in his current job.
Labour’s little experiment with Marxism failed comprehensively and was never going to succeed in the UK.
Please, get a grip.
gauss1777
Free MemberTrickle down 😂😂😂 ideological premise 😂😂😂
Ah now, be fair, trickle down absolutely does happen. It's just that it's happening at the same time as the River of Up.
I think the trickle down is yellow and coming from Boris, along with shut down and double down, shame there's no lock down.
Trickle down 😂😂😂 ideological premise 😂😂😂
the point i was trying to make, unsuccessfully as it turns out, is even though i was wholeheartedly opposed the thatcher thatcher, at least they believed in something. all be it a widely discredited economic theory that never had a chance of achieving any form of social or economic equality
this lot believe in noting other than furthering their own and their cronies needs and wants. from listening to interviews with the old tory grandies like clarke and hee=seltine, it appears they feek the same
Worryingly, it crossed my mind how much better this crisis would have been handled with Thatcher in charge
Depends which Thatcher you got, if it's the scientist with a phenomenal work ethic who picked talent for their cabinet then you no doubt would be in a better place. If you got the person who abandoned those who she didn't understand or relate to then it's another. Doubt the current use of consultants would have been tolerated either way.
Let's face it, very few people rate the current government even their own MP's don't