[Closed] And the first openly gay premier league player is.....

Is that the STW lawyer I hear stirring?

Err, wasn't it Justin Fashanu? Unless we're being really pedantic about the term "Premier League" and only counting post 92 players.

And what business of yours is it to be speculating on his sexuality? Do you have a particular interest in him?

Rachel

I admire the power of Lodders Gaydar which is only bested by his shit trolling

They should certainly be allowed to 'come out', but better yet, they should be allowed to be simple 'footballers' instead of 'gay footballers'. Indeed, we should all be allowed to be who we are without fear of discrimination of any sort.

After all, our sexuality is a part of us, but we are not our sexuality.

I am, at the end of the day, not a 'straight forum member'; I am just a 'forum member'.

In any case, if you are right, OP, then best wishes to Mr Smalling.

EDIT: Good question, allthegear.

Didn't Justin come out after he had finished playing ?

Who cares? Is the sexuality of every premier league player listed somewhere. Maybe the gay ones just think it's none of your business.

Don't get the point of starting this thread. What's your end game or is this just mindless speculation?

Didn't Justin come out after he had finished playing ?

Dunno.

Either way it's no ones business. It's a shame that it still needs to be such an issue in 2016. Unfortunately knuckle dragging homophobes are alive and well.

JUstin was was out as a pro and treated horribly by many in the game including his won brother

[quote=SaxonRider ]I am, at the end of the day, not a 'straight forum member'

Well there's STW revelation of the day 😉

JUstin was was out as a pro and treated horribly by many in the game including his won brother

He won a brother? Is that some sort of brutha from anotha mutha thing?

Didn't Justin come out after he had finished playing ?

No. 1990, when he was still playing in the UK and then went on to play in NA

If you aren't aware of his post football life, he killed himself in 1998 because of fears his homosexuality would prevent him getting a fair trial over an underage sex allegation.

Good to see certain sections of STW/ society are so much more advanced nowadays 🙄

Worst post of the year award goes to the homophobe

*checks calendar* yep, 2016.

Is this really where some people are still at?

People shouldn't have to be 'openly' anything but themselves.

If they don't feel able to be then threads like this aren't ever going to help things change.

Probably unhelpful thread title and and approach...

...BUT, it absolutely beggars belief in this age when most gay people are out, and we live in the age of social media, and there [i]must [/i] be gay players in the premier league, if [i]none [/i]are out. And that says something about the whole sporting/macho ethos. Which is a shame.

Yes, people are defined by way more than their gender and sexuality but I wonder if there are many jobs/professions where so many are hiding it?

The words 'Coming Out' should be banned.

I don't have to broadcast to people I'm heterosexual so why should someone who is gay announce their sexuality?

Is this really where some people are still at?

Unfortunately I think it is. Think the tabloids would pass on this "news" if it were to be uncovered?

Worst post of the year award goes to the homophobe

Not sure how you got the OP was being homophobic.

It was ****ing ridiculous, but that's about it.

It 'should' be a non issue but it absolutely isn't. And its because of the culture in football the people haven't come out who.would in nearly every other area of society. And its because of this glaring omission that people will speculate. And its sad to say that the first person to do it will be phenomenoninally brave...

But as in my original post, I reckon it may well be Smalling.

There is only one circumstance where the sexuality of someone actually matters to you; if you want to have sex with them.

Seriously, anything else is none of your, or entombed else's business. Butt out.

Rachel

JUstin was was out as a pro and treated horribly by many in the game including his won brother

While we are outing people.

I think Lodders will be the first openly gay black cab driver.

He may be married with kids, but I just got this feeling.

Or if they want to have sex with you, Rachel. It's very easy to deal with if someone makes welcome advances, and very complicated if you're not interested, which ever sex the advances come from.

While we are outing people.
I think Lodders will be the first openly gay black cab driver.
He may be married with kids, but I just got this feeling.

I'm just waitin' for Chris...

No probs with people speculating about my sexuallity btw...

To be fair, Edukator, it should be fairly clear what their sexuality is if they are coming on to you, that's why I didn't see the need to mention it.

Rachel

Or if they want to have sex with you, Rachel. It's very easy to deal with if someone makes welcome advances, and very complicated if you're not interested, which ever sex the advances come from

If both are not interested then why bother ?

I think Lodders will be the first openly gay black cab driver.

Why does being black matter ?

I reckon there are already loads tbh. And for the record, I'm part time anyway (on the cab, full time heterosexual).

Thomas Hitzlsperger who played for Villa, West Ham and Everton as recently as 2013 came out in 2014 just after he retired. Although the general reaction was supportive he obviously did not feel able to while playing.

Justin Fashanu's case was pretty terrible and although things have improved relatively recent incidents such as Robbie Fowler waving his backside at (straight) Graeme Le Saux (1999) show there is a long way to go before a gay player would not be a major story

Chris Smalling may be many things (over-rated and unable to tackle properly preferring a rugby style clinch being two of them) but I am unaware of anything that would indicate he is gay.

It 'should' be a non issue but it absolutely isn't

Not as long as people start pointless threads like this it won't or make guesses who it might be on their gut instinct.

Could we run a poll on forum users too?

who cares what the sexuality of footballers is, if you want to dress up like a child in shorts and a top with your name on it, dance a round a field for 90 minutes, hug and kiss when your bessie mate kicks the ball between some posts, then you all jump into the same huge bath or communal shower, then thats up to them. Some people also pay lots of cash to watch them and buy and dress in the same kit. its a free world, and not worth further comment.

Keeps an eye out for a totally hetro sexual, possibly cross dressing black cab driver when cycling in liverpool

Or if they want to have sex with you, Rachel. It's very easy to deal with if someone makes welcome advances, and very complicated if you're not interested, which ever sex the advances come from.

I am flattered but I am married

It's very easy to deal with if someone makes welcome advances, and very complicated if you're not interested, which ever sex the advances come from.

It really isn't complicated.

Could we run a poll on forum users too?

I vote for that AdamW. Must be gay. And his husband too. Both of them!

😀

I'm Gay for Loddrik.

However, a peek at the smorgasbord of stunning women that Smalling has been linked with suggests Loddrik may be out of luck.

somouk - Member

I don't have to broadcast to people I'm heterosexual so why should someone who is gay announce their sexuality?

They don't have to of course. But if they don't, people tend to assume they're straight. So the rationale's pretty obvious.

Contrast; my brother works in the theatre, and is a wee bit camp, so he finds himself coming [i]in[/i] to people, because everyone assumes he's gay. (this really annoys his girlfriend, people assume she's his cover.)

But there's sometimes more to it. A friend of mine was sort of quietly gay, when I first knew her. It wasn't a secret, she just doesn't make it obvious. Most people found out eventually (yes, I found out because I hit on her, now she says Pink Triangle is our song, apparently I am oblivious to really obvious clues). Anyway. Every so often, someone was offended- why didn't you tell me, don't you trust me? I'm your friend! Did you really think I wouldn't have your back? And rarer, someone's a total **** about it- all this time you've been lying to me! You're not who I thought you were!

So now she tends to tell people pretty quick, because at least that way if it turns someone off, it happens fast, and they were quite likely an arse anyway. Makes total sense to me anyway.

Wouldn't life be easier if we all just wore a badge, blood group, preference, inside leg measurements, religious sway and red/ rows sauce preference.

So now she tends to tell people pretty quick, because at least that way if it turns someone off, it happens fast, and they were quite likely an arse anyway.

And she also tells them because it's her choice.

I agree with somouk.

The serious point to this thread, if there us one, is that no premier league footballer feels relaxed enough about the issue to be open. Hitzlsperger didnt, why? Wasnt Fashanu outed?

thats because uefa RESPECT campaign single handedly misses the point! Ok if you are of a different race but not as a human being.

[i]So now she tends to tell people pretty quick, because at least that way if it turns someone off, it happens fast [/i]

Is this why teachers feel obliged to tell people what they do for a living within 5 minutes of meeting them?

😉

I have a friend who's a gay vegan teacher. You'd never know. 🙂