wow, bad enough that I shared that little episode of my life, now TINAS has quoted me 🙁
For the record, I still have my foreskin and the advice from Dr's was that they would only consider circumcision if it was necessary and the problem could not be cleared up via conventional medication and treatment.
I certainly wouldn't/won't get my (future) kids done w[i]ithout a valid medical reason[/i], chiefly because I don't think it is necessary but also because I think that's the kind of thing that they should decide for themselves.
but how many people on this thread have 1st/2nd hand experience of it being infected. Quite a lot
Could that possibly be that we have a self selecting sample going on though?
Naturally the people most likely to post on a circumcision thread are those that have first hand experience of being circumcised, and the two main reason you will have had it done are either
A> a medical reason
B> belief that it is a sensible thing to do to prevent medical problems
Which means group A people are distorting your sample distribution, and group B people are here re-enforcing their viewpoint by pointing out how many group A people are here!
what about group C?
C> not circumcised, no history of problems and no interest in this thread
cleanliness and hygiene is the main reason
It may well be the main reason [i]cited.[/i] An uncircumcised is no more dirty or unhygenic than a circumcised one, assuming you wash occasionally. You seem to be under the impression that a foreskin is some sort of urine sponge. It isn't. And even if it was a pee trap, that means you've just got a small area to fret about cleaning rather than worrying about anything that might have dribbled down your leg.
i am assuming
There you go, then.
If you're that bothered about it, you could simply roll it out of the way whilst you pee. Mine's the same as yours, then.
if my body is not clean, i cannot perform my prayers
Oh, you really can, you just [choose / are told]* not to.
(* delete where applicable.)
It's the same argument as vaccination
It would be difficult to be a more different argument.
One is a ritual practice often passed off with ill-supported hand-wavey health "benefits" to justify it, the other is a near-painless routine procedure which in a very real way can save the lives of not just yourself but those around you.
the two main reason you will have had it done are eitherA> a medical reason
B> belief that it is a sensible thing to do to prevent medical problems
You missed religious / tradition reasons, which I'll bet my own foreskin is the main reason the vast, vast majority of people have had it done (whiny white middle-class cockbag STW skewed demographic aside).
C> not circumcised, no history of problems and [s]no[/s] a car crash rubbernecker interest in this thread
FTFY
This would be me
C as per wombat here
Didn't realise for my 36 years I was carrying a urine trap in my pants. As mentioned above, if you're worried that some fictitious character out of some story book won't listen to you because you may have a tiny, tiny amount of urine on the tip of your manhood then just peel it back. It's not hard (s****)
Why don't you get a bottle cleaner and ram it down your urethra too, I'm sure there'd be an odd drop left in there.
FFs!
It would be difficult to be a more different argument.One is a ritual practice often passed off with ill-supported hand-wavey health "benefits" to justify it, the other is a near-painless routine procedure which in a very real way can save the lives of not just yourself but those around you.
Leave asside the religious angle for a moment. Or at least accept that a lot of religious stuff is just the use of religion as a convenient way of spreading and conserving knowlage.
They're both pretty painless (with anastetic)
They both prevent future infections (knob cheese, HIV, herpes)
They both prevent those infections spreading
Its not 100% immunity, and its probably higher risk than most vaccinations. But it is the same reasoning.
Unless you're one of those creepy priests who suck the end of the willy after chopping off the foreskin which may cause infection and/or death? Eww.
Its one thing to debate whether circumcisions of medical benefit. Its another to insinuate that anyone who thinks its a good idea is some sort of peadophilic sadist!
They're both pretty painless (with anastetic)
They both prevent future infections (knob cheese, HIV, herpes)
They both prevent those infections spreading
I've never had an infection, keep my knob clean and no one has cut a bit off. I call that a win.
Houns & Wombat +1
Its one thing to debate whether circumcisions of medical benefit. Its another to insinuate that anyone who thinks its a good idea is some sort of peadophilic sadist!
Good attempt to smear, but it doesn't work. *some* of the religious nutters do this, if you saw the link. Baby died because of herpes infection caused by this.
Also as I mentioned - anaesthesia is not a minor thing especially in a child. You seem to think it is an easy walk in the park.
They're both pretty painless (with anastetic)
As I've said more than once, some beliefs expressly forbid pain relief (Judaism forbids it in infants but not in adults, work that one out). But ok, let's assume anaesthetic, which of course is totally safe to use with infants. Why not whip out the appendix whilst you're at it? That's far more likely to spontaneously kill you than a spot of chelmet header.
We could totally wipe out breast cancer at a stroke by removing breast buds in girls, and that's something which affects, what, one in 10 women? Shall we add that to the list?
They both prevent future infections (knob cheese
So does washing, and I'm not aware of any fatal cases of smegma.
HIV, herpes)
a) no it really doesn't, this is a myth based on poorly conducted studies.
b) condoms provide protection against most STDs in a high-90s percentage of cases (and most of the failures there are down to user error).
They both prevent those infections spreading
No, they don't, they're not even remotely comparable. Vaccination has in some cases completely eradicated previously horrific diseases. Ironically, we're now seeing a resurgence of some of them due to the anti-vaxer assclowns.
On the other hand, the single biggest difference that circumcision makes in the prevention of the transfer of STDs is that immediately post-surgery blokes aren't likely to want to stick it in mucky women for a while.
Here, read this.
The related articles are worth reading too. Going full circle, it perhaps explains the OP's issues and the "I had to be circumcised because I kept getting UTIs" comment earlier as well.
if i were not circumcised and were to carry out my daily prayers i have to cleanse myself before each prayer but technically my body would not be clean due to the trapped traces of urine...
I think you should reread what you wrote, take a long sit down, and reflect on what a stupid pursuit you're engaged in if it requires you to have your children's genitals altered to comply with some medieval notion of cleanliness.
The key is in the word 'might'. I 'might' grow an extra set of arms so I can play multiplayer Destiny by myself but it is unlikely to happen.
You'd also be able to cosplay as a Fallen Vandal...
There are worse things than circumcision... Not for the squeamish...[url= http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penile_subincision ]here[/url]
there are worse things than being poked in the eye repeatedly with a cucumber, doesn't mean there's a queue forming for it though...
