...what's this need to infiltrate the world with the internet ? Towns and villages have survived 100s of years without the outside world interfering, why cant we leave alone whilst I know I have no right to say what happens and who should have what etc once you have so called westernised communities with pictures/movies of what they could have etc but will never really be able to afford how's that right ? (maybe the locals will be handed back the forests and will be able to make money rather than these multi national companies)
Sometimes the world just has to know when to say stop...
This is my opinion I'm sure there are 100s of reasons as to why they should have it...it wont make me stop feeling sad and knowing in the long run that it will end in disaster...
Oh and I bet they'd get a better connection than some of you guys !
Had the same thought about the Masai Mara...personal experience on this one...
maybe they want it?
Just a thought
or they are told they want it...just a thought also
well, if they don't want it, they won't use it.
problem solved
So, let me understand this: you came on the internet to complain that people that you don't know and haven't asked if they want it, will be able to get the internet ?
im not at telegraph reader just copying the link
so, whats your problem with it, seriously?
why should people be denied technology the rest of the world have, because of where they live?
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Amazon Forset to get internet...why cant the human race leave alone...
ooops I obviously meant FOREST !
so, whats your problem with it, seriously?
up till 20-30years ago these villages had survived since the beginning time without the rest of the world now they cant survive without us...thats my problem
Yes, it is.
It's a good job you're here to tell them what they should be doing or else this cultural imperialism could go unchecked.
up till 20-30years ago these villages had survived since the beginning time without the rest of the world now they cant survive without us...thats my problem
well they can survive without us, maybe they've chosen that they want to to survive with us now (a couple of programmes I've watched certainly suggest that)
But, i think you're confusing the remote tiny villages that still have little or no interaction with other humans, with larger villages and towns that have plenty of human interaction, and have plenty of 'western' gadgets.
I'm not sure Google would go to all this trouble and expense to float balloons over villages who have never seen another man before, where would they buy their iPad airs from?
where would they buy their iPad airs from?
amazon?
where would they buy their iPad airs from?
amazon?
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[i]up till 20-30years ago these villages had survived since the beginning time without the rest of the world now they cant survive without us...thats my problem[/i]
So let me get this right, you think its wrong for them to get the internet. What if people in the amazon think your town shouldn't have internet?
We've all survived thousands of years without the internet, some a bit longer than others.
I presume to get the internet, they have electricity?
It seems i am the only one who gets what the OP is saying. Its just a shame that some parts of the world can't be left alone to go about their business without the rest poking its nose in.
Visited some village in the forest in French Guiana over 10 years ago.
They had a communal hut, with a satellite dish and solar panel outside. Inside was an old style Apple Mac.
So they had intawebz back then.
It seems i am the only one who gets what the OP is saying.
No, no. We do "get" it.
We just don't think that that's the point. 8)
[i]Its just a shame that some parts of the world can't be left alone to go about their business without the rest poking its nose in. [/i]
Who is it a shame for though? People that already have all they need and like to thing there's still a bit of the 'old world' left.
mactheknife - MemberIt seems i am the only one who gets what the OP is saying. Its just a shame that some parts of the world can't be left alone to go about their business without the rest poking its nose in.
exactly this
So wait. You want them to continue to live in an isolated and traditional way because YOU think it's quaint and somehow worthy?
I know why you have had this thought but you have to understand what you are really saying. You, a complete outsider, are telling them how to live their lives because of what you, a rich westerner with an easy life, thinks is important.
I don't think this is a case of happy innocent forest people being forced into the modern world against their will....
Most likely a westernised hispanic ploy to introduce them to the outside world, with the intention of slowly enticing them away from their land.
Instead of the alternative method of forcing them out with guns and bulldozers then incurring the wrath of the international community/media.
rich westerner with an easy life, thinks is important.
you have the wrong person I'm afraid
So wait. You want them to continue to live in an isolated and traditional way because YOU think it's quaint and somehow worthy?
okay let them have their internet and in 10 years they can all be even more poverty stricken when they're queuing up to get their costa coffee in a paper cup which so happens to made with trees from their own forests...and why will they be poor cos they'll be buying stuff they cant afford...
But, google aren't talking about the parts of the world that have no contact with anyone else, that would be TOTALLY pointless, as they wouldn't have a scooby what a computer was and they wouldn't be interested, and they wouldn't have electricity..
There are towns in the amazon, that have electricity (by generators mainly), that have other 'western stuff' but don't have internet, think of all the logging towns that are in the depths of the jungle...
you have a vision of a guy in a mud hut being given a chromebook, and being shown reddit. that isn't the reality of what Google are doing!
You can have towns like that and still an attachment to old lands. The internet is a good way to entice the young to the cities and away from their old communities.
Not that I'm against them getting the internet, I just don't for a second believe it's for philanthropic reasons.
think of all the logging towns that are in the depths of the jungle...
Yahhh let's give the illegal loggers teh internetzz....that'll learn 'em!
and where will they live ? or work ? only a few will make money the rest...look at India I guess most of those people thought yes leave the village and we can make money...reality they didn't and have worse livesThe internet is a good way to entice the young to the cities and away from their old communities.
I just don't for a second believe it's for philanthropic reasons.
Well of course not. Is someone suggesting it is?
and where will they live ? or work ? only a few will make money the rest...look at India ...
I don't know. Maybe they could help pressure the government to develop sustainable industry within the Amazon basin.
Like
1) Tourism
2) Sustainable Logging
3) Scientific Programs
But that would clash with the interests of the corrupt Brazilian government.
Yahhh let's give the illegal loggers teh internetzz,,,,that'll learn 'em!
are all logging towns illegal? are all towns in the amazon made up of illegal loggers?
On the subject of pervasive, intrusive technology; when will we stop tagging wild animals with GPS transmitters? They deserve their privacy away from our petty curiosity as to what they get up to when we can't observe them. Leave the poor creatures alone!
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are all logging towns illegal?
About 80 percent of logging there is illegal, so yeah most logger towns are made up of illegal loggers.
Now they will have a better way of communicating with each other to cut more tress down.
Brilliant idea!
for what it's worth, my mums village in Northumberland is still on Dial up interwebz.
she wants super fast broadband. but, are we saying she can't have it, because we want to preserve the culture of rural Northumberland?
she will be disappointed.
Brilliant idea!
better idea than giving it to a guy with no computer, or electricity.
Warton, what do you think the environmental consequences will be of giving illegal loggers an internet connection? Given it's brilliant use in planning and logistics.
better idea than giving it to a guy with no computer, or electricity.
Despite the fact that logging actually reduces the GDP of Brazil?
Simply providing internet access is not going to turn them into Essex overnight ffs.
The internet is a tool that is generally for good. It gives people a voice. Commercial capitalism is not the same as the internet.
They'll be able to use ocado?
Tom, the angle I'm coming from is that unfitgeezers original premise is wrong.
he was under the impression that google will be giving internet to tribes that never interact with humans, and have lived that way for thousands of years.
my point is merely that this isn't the case, and there are towns and villages in the amazon that have other 'western' amenities, but not the internet, these are the areas that will be provided with internet.
I really can't be bothered to get into the rights and wrongs of logging in the Amazon (which, FWIW I double don't agree with, especially illegal logging, or the way gangs use high power hoses to search for gold....)
he internet is a tool that is generally for good. It gives people a voice.
Bollocks. The Internet promised a vision of the world becoming connected with the common goal of sharing the human condition, united in one social universe. What did we do? Instead of exploring say.. the issues that effect Inca culture in South America? We instead watch Gangnam Style for the 10 billionth time, send nude selfies to each other, then we whack off to some porn and finally spend all day at work browsing cat memes or singletrack.
Whoo yeah....they're getting teh internetz....everyone rejoice....their lives are going to be so much better!
Its just a shame that some parts of the world can't be left alone to go about their business without the rest poking its nose in.
What if they want to actually start a business that needed internet access?
We instead watch Gangnam Style for the 10 billionth time, send nude selfies to each other, then we whack off to some porn and finally spend all day at work browsing cat memes or singletrack.
who are we to tell people they can't do that?
I'm not saying they can't do it.
I just think they're all deluded morons, the Flynn effect is in reverse and humanities headed for extinction, that's all.
