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for the op, i'm curious - prior to having young daughters are you saying you would have been less bothered on the grounds it didn't really concern you?as a father of a toddler. before I had my son I would have been disgusted by this, of course I would have, just like the majority of people. after having my son, and imagining him going through what that girl went through changes everything. I'd protect him to the end of the world, without exception, and if anyone tried to harm him in that way, or any other way I would do them serious damage with no hesitation at all.
This, because you relate it to your child. Is nothing too low for some people on here to try and get a rise, Swiss et all?
the headline you have to click on to get to the story linked to by the OP is
Toddler sex attacker sent to jailAn East Lothian man who sexually abused a toddler leaving her "horrifically" injured is sent to prison for six years.
Doesn't need further explanation, does it?
I can't help but wonder what the OP thought he was going to see if the story left him "almost shaking with anger". Maybe something that would make hime [b]actually[/b] shake?
if you're thinking anything i've posted on this thread is in order to get a rise out of someone duckman you are sadly mistaken. perhaps try reading the posts next time?
ergo, is your response to a crime predicated upon empathy rather than an innate sense of right/wrong.
I think things are being twisted - I don't think anyone thinks it is any more right or wrong to sexually abuse a child but I guess there is a massive feeling of empathy from the parents on here as the love for your child is so strong (I don't really think any non-parent can begin to appreciate just how strong those feelings are) that we are bound to have more empathy. And perhaps, in some cases, anger.
On a similar note, prior to being a dad I couldn't give a flying toss about kids (apart from those of friends and family) but now I have tears in my eyes when watching One Born Every Minute. Something just clicks inside you (well me anyway).
I did read the posts,
and, once you've got over the tremors, other than posting on here what are you actually going to do about it?
I might be wrong,you might not consider that attempting to get a rise out of somebody, but it looks like it to me and the other people who commented on your post. So apologies if you were not trying to troll.
Aye Right.
I can't help but wonder what the OP thought he was going to see if the story left him "almost shaking with anger". Maybe something that would make hime actually shake?
WTF?
He should get the death penalty, simple as that.
no. it isn't as simple as that.
Poor, poor child; I hope she learns to forgot what happened to her.
A friend of a friend who works in a Prison 'treating' paedophiles, says that the really tragic part of this crime is that most of them were victims when they were children and they are just continuing the cycle, and society just wants them 'safe' rather than 'better', due to budget constraints, which doesn't help break the cycle of abuse.
Some people may see that as an excuse, however in reality its just a sad and tragic fact about just how damaged some of these people are.
As for what to do with them, I am damned if I know.
society just wants them 'safe' rather than 'better' which is much easier for the offenders to fake.
Isn't that the issue? IIRC, there isn't a single recorded case of a paedophile being "cured" or "made better".
My word, truly BS central on here today.
'Shaking with anger' ...get a grip. You don't know them or the familey. Six years is realistically a tough sentance under the guidelines.
What are you actually angry about the offence or the punishment? I'm not saying there is no reason to feel angry their obviously is but come on 'shaking with anger'?
And as for those who advocate the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as him imo. There is no excuse for the death penalty full stop. I had hoped as a society we had moved on from such barbaric and inhumane practices.
duckman - that's why i put a bit of time into the follow-up post for just that reason. apology accepted and mine proffered to anyone to anyone else who may've misconstrued my first post.
Isn't that the issue? IIRC, there isn't a single recorded case of a paedophile being "cured" or "made better".
I don't know if that's true or not, as I never asked them about it. Seems a little to much like a sweeping statement of fact to be true to me though.
Think about it, the headline 'paedophile continues to not re-offend - children safe' isn't every likely to be seen in a paper is it?
So if some of them are released back into the population, and don't re-offend we would never hear about it.
As long as it is financially beneficial for those involved in the judicial system to have there be wide spread crime, there will be no motivation on their part or the governments to implement any measures to reduce it.
Yes - at this very moment, thousands of prison officers, police officers, criminal lawyers and magistrates are sitting around, asking each other, "bloody hell, lads - aren't you a bit worried that all of this crime's going to peter out one day?".
My word, truly BS central on here today.
Lazy to call other people's honestly held opinions BS Frodo.
And as for those who advocate the death penalty, that makes you just as bad as him imo. There is no excuse for the death penalty full stop. I had hoped as a society we had moved on from such barbaric and inhumane practices.
Now who's spouting platitudes?
can't believe this thread is still running. It's obvious people have polar opinions on this, there's going to be no agreement 🙄
For what it's worth I comfortable with the treatment he'll get in prison due to his actions.....
Seems a little to much like a sweeping statement of fact to be true to me though.
Must be rubbish then. 🙄
Although pedophilia has yet no cure, various treatments are available that are aimed at reducing or preventing the expression of pedophilic behavior, reducing the prevalence of child sexual abuse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#Treatment
What gets me is why read beyond the headline.
I know its going to be horrid so I stop reading.
As a society we should either castrate this type of person
From the Wikipedia page cited by Wrecker,
Castration, either physical or chemical, appears to be highly effective in removing such sexual impulses when offending is driven by the libido, but this method is not recommended when the drive is an expression of anger or the need for power and control (e.g., violent/sadistic offenders)
... is interesting, I think. Because, contrary to popular opinion, the Daily Mail "chop their bollocks off!" brigade's preferred solution wouldn't necessarily always work.
What the solution is, I don't know. Nor, I suspect, does anyone else, or we'd be doing it. But it's nice to know that there's actually a sensible reason why we're not routinely booking sexual offenders in for surgery.
believe or not, Wikipedia isn't considered to be a reliable source of information, so just because it says that every paedophile has re-offended that doesn't mean its true.
What gets me is why read beyond the headline.I know its going to be horrid so I stop reading.
I like the new TJ.
This is the approach I take to many threads on here, but the OP suckered me in with his non-specific title.
people like this either end up in the community being looked after by people like me, or being looked after by people like mrsconsequence in prison.
chemical castration doesn't change the mental urges, just the physical ability.
6 years in prison, sex offenders register for life, probably released under the highest MAPPA level, press interest in his case will mean all sort of delays and complications.... messy.
fingers and toes crossed the girl doesnt remember is as she grows older. i know girls who were abused at the ages of 2 and 3 and they have no knowledge it happened, will probably stay that way unless their mum decides ever to tell them. not quite as horrific as the case being discussed.... in my humble opinion that could go two ways: 1 - she remembers everything and it'll mess with her head for life, or 2 - her mind wont let her know it even happened. fingers crossed on the latter.
The punishment is not harsh enough.
Hang the scumbag or at least waterboard him every year.
The population need depleting so getting rid of such scumbag is not wasteful.
believe or not, Wikipedia isn't considered to be a reliable source of information, so just because it says that every paedophile has re-offended that doesn't mean its true.
No it certainly doesn't. But on this particular topic; it clearly knows more than you.
chewkw - Member
The punishment is not harsh enough.Hang the scumbag or at least waterboard him every year.
The population need depleting so getting rid of such scumbag is not wasteful.
+1
why are people like this allowed to live?
why do we have to pay to keep them?
why are total life prisoners, who are gonna spend the rest of their life in jail, allowed to live?
why do we have to pay to keep them?
lethal inject all the lot of em.
Trouble is there's always people who'll worry about his human rights - whatever that means. People like this should just sort of be disappeared quietly.
shyte to his human rights.
shyte to his human rights.
I often wonder why we even waste money on a trial, just let the scummer out on the streets after arrest. See how long the twunt lasts in the hands of folks like ton.
why are people like this allowed to live?
why do we have to pay to keep them?
why are total life prisoners, who are gonna spend the rest of their life in jail, allowed to live?
why do we have to pay to keep them?
Because we live in a (mostly) civilised society.
Because justice can sometimes be wrong. Because in five, ten, fifty years time, new evidence can be found, new treatments can be found.
Because, thirty years ago, we didn't have DNA profiling. Because, in another 30 years, we might be looking back to today where we hadn't invented Paedo-B-Gon gene therapy.
Because highly emotive situations mean that it's hard to make a rational decision.
Because death is so very, very final.
shyte to his human rights.
See, the thing about human rights, well, the clue's in the name.
You could posit that he's not human though, arguably.
lethal inject all the lot of em.
That will NEVER happen in this country, so we (as a country) have to find another way of dealing with them.
That will NEVER happen in this country.
If it does, let's get it in for voluntary euthanasia first, hey?
kill the ****er.
in fact, let me do it.
we all have a opinion 😀
"The worst genital injuries ever seen" by the surgeon (on a child or adult) and some on here think that package of punishment is adequate...
As for the OP's tendency to shake, why the hell make an issue of that?! He has every right to express his anger. I hope philc is right in that this girl 'might' forget, I have my doubts.
I'm guessing he's looking at solitary.
No it certainly doesn't. But on this particular topic; it clearly knows more than you.
and how exactly do you know that?
My point is, you don't have a clue who upgrades/creates the Wikipedia articles and they are notoriously inaccurate due to the fact that any numpty can add whatever they like. So you may be quoting what a 13 year old spotty teenager thinks is factually accurate (as teenagers know everything already) rather the actual truth!
I know for a fact, that you will not find a decent scientist in the world who talks in absolutes, so to say that *every* paedophile in the world, over all history has re-offended is blatant bollocks, as we simply cannot know this to be a *fact*.
Paedo-B-Gon gene therapy
🙂
Don't suppose you had a hand in naming Anusol, too...
Horrific case and i would be happier with a much longer sentence so that no one ever is at risk of this again so life would fit the crime.
some other comments
Is there anything that kaesae can't spin into conspiratorial nonsense??
Is it conspiracy theories because they are all true?
For those that are though: do you feel like you have some greater insight/understanding due to it[being a parent], or has it just made you a bit irrational?
you cannot really explain it to someone who doe snot have kids - I know you have heard this before but you cant.
your entire jobs as a parent is to protect your child , nurture it watch it row, love it unconditionally.
The thought of this happening to your own child is so horrific that we either dont think about it or get upset to even contemplate it. Yes these stories have greater effect on me now I am a father than before.
If someone did this to my child you would have one bleeding heart liberal in prison for murder.
Its is undeniably primal, instinctive and perhaps even a base instinct but it is there...you protect your kids its what you do. It is obviously less subjective but I am not sure i would go as far as call it irrational
Don't suppose you had a hand in naming Anusol, too...
I think perhaps you could have phrased that question a little better... (-:
and how exactly do you know that?
Well, this is an indicator;
and society just wants them 'safe' rather than 'better'
We cannot make paedophiles "better". It's not a disease.
so to say that *every* paedophile in the world, over all history has re-offended is blatant bollocks
Nobody has said anything to that effect. Without turning this into a squabble, a paedophile is a paedophile whether they act on their urges or not. They don't have to offend to be one.
When you consider this; you realise that "safe" is all we can hope for. I applaud the actions of philconsequence and barnsletmitch for having the stomach to try and ensure this happens. Most of us couldn't (me included).
OP you could find out if the sentence is within guidelines, if nyes then try to change them through the democratic process etc.
One could write lots. What saddens me is that some of the most vocal admit they only care because they have children. This is no basis on which to sentence scriminals.
Further, the righteous tend to gather and knock anyone who's not saying "string them up" etc. This stifles any thought or rational debate.
Lastly, paedophiles have been victims and have had any chance of the normal functional lives we enjoy taken from them brutally in crimes like this. They are wired up wrong through no fault of their own. Of course they have to take responsibility for their actions, but killing them seems a pretty lazy, barbaric and inhumane response.
Crankboy seems to think the punishment seems fair I'd say by the way the end of his post reads, I'd say being tortured over the remaining period of his life would still be to lenient.
I would have no problem in killing someone who harmed my children like that.
im all for barbarism and inhumanity then.
Wikipedia articles... are notoriously inaccurate
Yes, they are. But that's a world away from [i]actually [/i]being inaccurate.
Lastly, paedophiles have been victims and have had any chance of the normal functional lives we enjoy taken from them brutally in crimes like this. They are wired up wrong through no fault of their own. Of course they have to take responsibility for their actions, but killing them...
*they've [u]normally[/u] been victims, not always, but definitely everyone i've worked with. similar to domestic abuse in that respect!
If this girls grows up to be a sex offender and molests kids, should she be killed?
EDIT - that question is for the 'he deserves to be killed' crowd. not you al! 🙂
colud cut that blokes bollocks off with blunt rusty pinking shears and no anasthetic(then rub salt in )