Is it a known thing? This thread is the first time I'd considered the possibility. But yes, he is.
Would you allow someone into your home and let them trash the place, make a mess and take your money without giving you anything in return?
You know we are a democracy but when do you stop someone soiling and disrespecting your house?
In addition, the US aren't savages who live in the hills.
Again: Do you have any proof to prove that he is guilty of any crimes? Proof that neither the UK or US authorities could find?
Lots of people are arrested as suspects all the time on suspicion of all sorts of things from littering to murder and freed at a later date as there's no case to answer, that's how it works
Imprisonment without trial is something the ECHR is against, but Gitmo isn't on US soil, so doesn't count.
It's a bitch when the legal system is abused to your advantage isn't it
Again: Do you have any proof to prove that he is guilty of any crimes? Proof that neither the UK or US authorities could find?
I don't know. Perhaps it was a bit difficult dusting for fingerprints in the Tora Bora mountains in between the carpet bombing Michael.
BTW.... Have you ever thought about any investments Mike? Plan for your future? You seem like a man of sound judgement. I've got some you can't possibly lose on. I have some friends in Nigeria trying to extract their perfectly legitimate money from the country. You could help. If I could just have your bank details.... 😆
I thought the sad little misfit was baned?
Lots of people are arrested as suspects all the time on suspicion of all sorts of things from littering to murder and freed at a later date as there's no case to answer, that's how it works
And lots of people are innocent of the crimes/offences of which thay are accused. and yes, sometimes the guilty go free too. But cases like the Jill dando murder show that we must do our utmost, as a society, to uphold justice, whatever the cost. In that case, and innocent man was convicted for a crime he did not comitt, because of prejudiuce and the public hunger for someone to be held to account. it is vital to ensure that such miscarriages do not occur again. Hence whty hoever nasty a bastard Abu Hamza mosst likely is, we must be seen to exercise due process and legal dignity.
whatever the outcome from this case, whoever unpleasant the taste it will leave, at least we will be able to say that our nation's legal system worked as it should, and offered the defendant every possible opportunity to get justice. |Isn't that what's most important here?
Do you have any proof to prove that he is guilty of any crimes?
You do know hes spent the last few years in a UK prison for a crime don't you?
In addition do you think someone in the US wakes up and says 'lets get us some Muslims, British businessmen, hackers who look merely guilty'. 🙄
mikeconnor - end this masqueraded farce now and confess. YOU ARE FRED!
I won't mind. 😆
What is rthis 'Fred' thing? i'm all up for a discussion/debate, but if people chiose instead to try to bait me, then i think it reflects rather sadly on them. hence i'm now going to ignore what appear to be deliberately provocative/insulting comments.
offered the defendant every possible opportunity to get justice
..except the one where he gets to go to America and prove his innocence
I beg to differ!!
In addition, the US aren't savages who live in the hills.
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hence i'm now going to ignore what appear to be deliberately provocative/insulting comments.
the fred enters phase 2 of his re-emergence with a planned mini-flounce and a dubious claim that future baiting will be ignored.
Every man, no matter how deeply offensive his statements, deserves a fair trial before being labelled as Fred.
Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?
[i]Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards? [/i]
are you new here?
😉
mikeconnor - you're [b]him[/b] aren't you?
Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?
I never twigged that mikeconnor was fred / paddedcell!
Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?
There's only been 2 positions here .... [strike]F[/strike] Mike's and everyone elses'
I've analysed Mike and Fred's Handwriting, and they are exactly the same.
Case closed.
he is never Fred
mikeconnor - you're him aren't you?
Lance Armstrong? 😕
grum - Membermikeconnor - you're him aren't you?
Lance Armstrong?
are you saying he only has 1 testicle?
What is rthis 'Fred' thing? i'm all up for a discussion/debate, but if people chiose instead to try to bait me, then i think it reflects rather sadly on them. hence i'm now going to ignore what appear to be deliberately provocative/insulting comments.
I'll tell you what I'd do, right here, right now [©Norman Cook] is get onto the mods about it.
Nick - MemberJust wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?
I agree with Nick!
I have no problem with him having a MRI.
The results should be put into an envelope which he can take with him on the plane. Perhaps some light reading over the Atlantic.
Will he fly Ryanair?
Do they do 1st class?
Will have to take his own food and drink?
Will he be checked going through Passport control?/Immigration?
I have no idea what this blokes supposed to have done BTW.
bikebouy, now then. Imagine hes a sports agent. He gives talks, finds talent, attends fairs and gives out information. Then he selects good players and sends them off to be trained by the best overseas. Sometimes whilst overseas they might get into abit of trouble. Nowthen, I don't mean roasting a young lady or drink driving. No something abit more severe than that.
I see...
Does he get paid for what he does, seems like a lot of work and effort that.
Just wondering if anyone who has contributed to this debate, has had their opinion or view altered by anything anyone else had put forwards?
Actually yes, I have.
I didn't think Mile was Fred previously.
Now I'm almost sure of it.
so you didn't think he was Fred before and you still don't.
and this is your view being altered?
I don't think he should have an MRI, because if he ever imagined what the phophet looked like, (and you must have, if you find cartoons of the phophet offensive) the MRI operator might see it.
Junkyard - MemberThe problem is , and I do get your point, but there is something uncomfortbable about extending western rights and liberties to folk who attack and despise these very same rights/liberties.
The alternative is to attack those rights/liberties yourself.
If Mike Connor WAS Fred, he showed remarkable restraint with the mockney...
I see...Does he get paid for what he does, seems like a lot of work and effort that.
No, but he gets a big hand from all his supporters
bikebouy - MemberWill he fly Ryanair?
now that is a violation of human rights
its not hard get him to a doctor if he says he needs one fair enough give hime one and stick him on the plane,
if not stick him on the plane
If Mike Connor WAS Fred, he showed remarkable restraint with the mockney..
usually comes not long after the flounce, which appears to be in progress right now
If Mike Connor WAS Fred, he showed remarkable restraint with the mockney...
Fred would never have started a thread on how to service pedals.
Fred wasn't particularly hung up on critical mass.
As woppit says, the stylometry is very different.
If it is him then he's a master of disguise.
Fred or not, I can see Mike's point (can I call you Mike?)..
Regardless of what the bloke has done he's entitled to all the benefits a British citizen should receive. If he's guilty of a crime then he should be tried for it, and the appropriate punishment dished out in the appropriate way. I'm pretty sure denial of healthcare/maltreatment isn't classed as appropriate treatment for any criminal regardless of the crime. His failing health and the crimes he has apparently committed are two distinct things.
We get into the 'well he deserves to die after what he's done/said' line of thinking and you're on a slippery slope to capital punishment/Reading the Daily Mail....
EDIT: The bloke has an opinion on something and rather than discuss it in a civilised manner, people choose to argue about whether he's someone else or not. How intelligent. From reading what he has put, he said he wouldn't rise to the baiting, not that he'd flounce from the thread. Considering all the pathetic comments since said post are around whether he's someone else I can see why he's avoided it. FFS grow up....
Will he fly Ryanair?
HAHAH. I was the planespotters viewing platform at Manchester Airport on Sunday morning with hora junior and everytime a plane taxi'd past we'd wave to the pilots. A Ryanair one taxi'd past and I said [i]'no we don't wave at them' [/i] 😆
The problem is , and I do get your point, but there is something uncomfortbable about extending western rights and liberties to folk who attack and despise these very same rights/liberties.
Uncomfortable yes, but it's a pretty key point that everyone gets the rights and liberties, regardless of how objectionable one might find them.
I find it odd that people say stuff like 'you wouldn't be allowed to say that kind of thing in Saudi Arabia would you' - seemingly simultaneously slagging off Saudi Arabia for a lack of civil liberties, while suggesting that those civil liberties shouldn't be applied here.
A Ryanair one taxi'd past and I said 'no we don't wave at them'
Well done you
Surely you have to treat all the same, if they are ill/sick/ they need to be shown humanity, or is it a race to the bottom of barbarism, i always thought you judge a society by the value that you put on human life........
I find it odd that people say stuff like 'you wouldn't be allowed to say that kind of thing in Saudi Arabia would you' - seemingly simultaneously slagging off Saudi Arabia for a lack of civil liberties, while suggesting that those civil liberties shouldn't be applied here.
I don't think anybody is advocating wholesale suspension of liberties, but sometimes temporary or individual suspensions might need to be applied, if only for reasons of common sense.
He doesn't get paid as such Bikebouy. Think of him as a sort of state-funded national treasure. A bit like the queen. We all pay for him. The hook generally means a bit less waving, and his rhetoric can err towards the fiery side when compared to Liz's Chritmas words. And he's probably cost a bit more, per household, for the last few years.
Anyway..... Has he gone yet?
