As above, very well done, it's a minefield but you've been proactive and positive and they can't walk out of there with anything other than respect (and probably frustration). They may be genuine in wanting it to work and you should talk to your boss about how to handle the 4-person shortfall. That said, get looking anyway.
Advice from my wife (employment lawyer) get a copy of your employee handbook, which should contain al the processes they should follow for any disciplinary. Failure to follow procedures gives you a potential unfair dismissal claim.
Not sure how that would work given up to 12 months you can basically just tell people to go for any arbitrary reason.
[quote=Boba Fatt said]3 month probabtion extended = sit on arse using company internet to find new job/surf Singletrack
2 months and 30 days later = leave job with no mark on your CV
Good result
Approx 2 days after employing said strategy, find self in another meeting with one's arse being handed to one's self on a plate.
If STW can help Mog find a new job, this could be the perfect thread!
mog - post up with (approximately) what you do (we know sales, but industry etc), what sort of seniority and where you are and lets see what STW can do for you
Good point from FuzzyWuzzy ref your line manager having exposed himself and them not having got rid of you despite you thinking that was the way things would go - keeping you on suggests there may be something else going on. If it's only your line manager who doesn't like your face then maybe, rather than trying to find a way out, your time would be well spent making sure you deliver what's been agreed. You never know - the senior management may have switched fire and now be building a case against him instead (despite him being best mates with the big boss - something like this would make it easier to let him go given the friendship)...
keeping you on suggests there may be something else going on
Yes, HR told them that they hadn't done everything properly and as such, if they get rid of him, they'd be open to legal proceedings (likely ending in a settlement). As such, they've given 3 months with a view to doing the job properly. Probably.
Good point from FuzzyWuzzy ref your line manager having exposed himself
I think if this had happened we'd be back in American Beauty land and Mog would be looking forward to a significant financial windfall 🙂
Sorry I'm late to the party.
My first thought on reading the OP was, it's a stiffing. I figured, it's probably not personal, but they need to let someone go, and Mog drew the short straw.
The post-meeting results are interesting though. They had a pre-prepared list of things to throw at you, you went "ah, no," and they went, "oh... ok then." Now, at that point, if it was a foregone conclusion then they could've got rid anyway, they didn't have to keep you on. I wonder why they did?
I can only speculate of course, but I wonder how transparent your immediate boss has been? Perhaps the MD has been kicking him for poor sales and he's been going "ah, well, that new boy, he's not working out too well..." It'll be interesting to see what the atmosphere's like over the next few days if you've just made him look like an idiot in front of his boss.
If you were out of probation, I'd be tempted to suggest fighting it; ie, trying to make a go of it and turn the department around. But with the sword of Damocles hanging over your head it's just too risky. Take the money and run.
Incidentally,
CZ picked up on a point which made me go "what?!" as well.
Seems an almost deliberate Catch-22 there; they accuse you of not developing the staff, but accuse you of being out of line for taking steps to develop the staff through training!
This makes no sense to me either. "You've not done anything about training." - "Well, actually, I have, I've made enquiries about training, look." - "You're not authorised to do any training, stop that." What are you supposed to do, put together a training plan and then seek authorisation? Looks like that's exactly what you were doing.
ditch_jockey - MemberGood point from FuzzyWuzzy ref your line manager having exposed himself
I think if this had happened we'd be back in American Beauty land and Mog would be looking forward to a significant financial windfall
Ba-dum, tish... I was kind of half expecting a comment like that at my rather clumsily worded sentence... 😆
Re staying. Given you've now seen the reality of the company culture, why would you want to?
Clearly unhealthy and dishonest, employing incompetent senior managers, which'll be one of the reasons they're not very successful!
If you stay, you'll still be working in a failing company...
I suspect you're still there because their prep and strategy were incompetent, not because they want you there...
IME incompetent people hate competent and honest people so you're now even more unattractive to them having proven to be cleverer than them in political matters too! Watch your back...
Good work STW!
some great stuff here...loadsa great experience based ideas etc but whats great is without this place i think mog could have gone into that meeting without a plan and got tipped straight away...i cant believe how naive they were not to have anyone from hr theyre?
maybe time to get in touch informally or otherwise with the old employer? my 2p worth...anyhow,well done and good luck!
(this is loads more entertaining than some over engineered/pricey shed build) 😆
Oh, one other thing.
They sprang a meeting on you seemingly underhand giving you little time to prepare / organise a witness. If they do that again, ask them to postpone the meeting so that you have time to find a representative. (Apart from anything else, it's taking charge of the situation rather than bending over)
Well done that Mog.
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Well done. Sounds like you played a blinder and batted away most of the half-baked accusations with ease [u]because you were in the right[/u] and they knew it.
That has bought you some very precious time to get something else sorted.
Keep it going and get out to something better ASAP.
Glad to hear it was a (reasonably) positive outcome.
At the very least it sounds like some 'advice' has been given by HR to ensure correct process is followed rather than your boss making it up as he goes along.
If you are set on finding something new (and assuming you haven't already done so) get yourself a LinkedIn profile. Great way to market yourself for your next job..
Good luck with it all anyway 🙂
Well done - excellent work, and well handled, by the sounds of it.
Now get the hell out of there. You're obviously competent, judging by what you did in the meeting, and what you'd achieved before it. Good luck, and happy hunting.
Well done Mog, now if I were you I wouldn't post any more about it on here as it could be spotted, double effort required now for them and finding a new job.
Good Luck fella and well played that man
Nice one OP.
Come on, let us know where you live and roughly what you do. The STW job agency is now OPEN 🙂
[quote=Cougar ]Oh, one other thing.
They sprang a meeting on you seemingly underhand giving you little time to prepare / organise a witness. If they do that again, ask them to postpone the meeting so that you have time to find a representative. (Apart from anything else, it's taking charge of the situation rather than bending over)
Not sure you're entitled unless it's a disciplinary hearing. If it's just a performance review which LEADS to a disciplinary, you'd only be allowed the witness for the latter.
I'd just like to add my 'well done' to the thread!
It undoubtedly helped that you had a list of 'issues' that you were able to consider and respond to accordingly.
Next time tell us what they are and by the time the thread's over, you'll have got promotion a pay rise and even a golden hello!
Not sure you're entitled unless it's a disciplinary hearing. If it's just a performance review which LEADS to a disciplinary, you'd only be allowed the witness for the latter.
Good point. It wasn't clear which from the OP, but he seemed concerned that he was going to get the push.
'kin ell, this is all a bit epic, isn't it.
Who'll play Mog in the film version...?
