Good work fella and glad to hear you have a stay of execution - it really is better than nowt! 
Talk of kids/mortgages/finances is always tough to hear, really pleased things didn't turn out as you feared. I think you touched a STW nerve here judging by the number of people wanting to know how you got on.
Now you've dealt with it in a grown up way....get signed off on the sick for 3 months due to 'stress' and go riding
Joking apart that would really screw them over. Glad you got the three month extension. The same thing happended to me six months ago, actually got through probabtion but then was literally marched off site because my face didn't fit (actual words used). No warning of poor performance, no opportunity to be represented. In a much better job now with more money and a manager I respect. Still feel aggrieved from time to time though, I know it wasn't my fault, they were a similar bunch of no hopers as your place seems to be, but still aggrieved I found myself in that position. Sounds like you handled it really proffessionally, hang onto that bit of pride and belief in yourself, it'll stand you in good stead as you move on.
Well done Mog! Genuinely pleased for you!
Good work...well done!
Really good news in a way. At least your immediate money worries are addressed. Just use the 3 months to find something else but you need to try and keep it away from them and keep the results going in the right direction.
Damn you handled that well! Continued good luck!
My two penneth, if I may.
You have been there less than 12 months. They don't need a reason to let you go.
"Sorry Mr. Mog but things just aren't working out and we feel it's best yadda, yadda, yadda. Of course references will be given etc..."
This is how it so easily could have gone. You, if I may say, have handled the pressure very well and demonstrated a very high level of professionalism both in the way you provided evidence and the way you accepted responsibility where necessary. Getting an extra 3 months is a massive result in my opinion. Of course, what you do with the time is up to you but I am genuinely very pleased for you.
Well done sir!
Nice one Mog. Great thread, nice ending I think we'll all want a live stream from the leaving do when you move on to pastures new, better still invite STW to the event!
Having been through similar situation I can say you did better than me. Well done and now use you're time wisely. A great example of STW camaraderie.
Great result Mog.... struggling to think of how that could have gone any better!
Usually on probation you have to give less notice - so now that you are actively looking, the boot is on the other foot.
Well done Mog
Sounds like it went as well as you could reasonably have hoped for given what you were expecting. LIke's been said above, use the remainder of this week to consider your next move, then Monday morning start on putting that plan into action.
Not to sound too pessimistic but might be an idea to take it easy on the finances for the next couple of months just in case you need a bit of breathing space should the timings not work out perfectly.
Winner!
Time to start looking...
Ah you dont need that kind of shite from them.
They have tried to get you over a barrel and you have stuck two fingers right up in their face so get to the doctors, lay it on and take the time off on the sick as they wont want you there they have made that clear.
Spend the time finding the right place to work (if you can sell stuff then sell yourself instead) and be happy in the fact that they are spewing and you are out on your bike!
Good news
Now watch your back and look for another job
So you can tell them to stick there job !
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Well done Mog,
Where are you based and what does you you sell.
I'll be needing someone with industrial sales experience based in the M4 area south/central in about 3 to 4 months.
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on the flip side, maybe the reason for his review was that he was actually pretty poor at his job. No smoke without fire!!!
Excellent result and well done!
One observation:
Accusation 3 - no staff development.
Evidence 3 - emails sent to local colleges requesting enrolment dates for specific courses for specific staff.
New Accusation 4 - I'm not authorised to enrol staff on external (cost) courses without telling anyone - how would line manager know I'd done that if I didn't tell them?
Seems an almost deliberate Catch-22 there; they accuse you of not developing the staff, but accuse you of being out of line for taking steps to develop the staff through training!
While [i]you[/i] may not be authorised to enrol staff onto training courses, where does it say that you can't be pro-active and get details of suitable and appropriate courses that you can then present to the authorised people?
I can't see that you did anything wrong, you were just inquiring, not signing cheques!
Hope it starts getting better for you from now on. Good luck and well done, went through something similar a few years ago but managed to get out of it well enough financially but it wasn't pleasant.
Good result - hopefully you feel a lot less stressed now that you've bought yourself some time. If you want to make a go of it (not sure that you do) then I would advise monthly review meetings rather than wait until the 3 months is up. That way you can put them under pressure re-recruitment, training etc.
well done.. disappointed we didnt get to go round with our bombers though..
Tyke makes a very good point. Proactive is good in these circumstances.
Nice one.
I hate it when bad managers try and get away with it and blame other people. Happens far too often.
From your summary it strikes me they're not very intelligent as the 'issues' were so easily batted back at them. Anyone worth their salt would have realised that would happen and have not even tried it in the first place.
Glad you were able to rise above their games.
Good luck with the job hunt 🙂
Nice one.
3 months to get another job.
Well thats a fairly good result Mog - all the better that you didn't let them make the meeting go as they wanted!. Now you know what your employers are like you can use it as motivation to get a better role. Well done - you should be proud of how you handled this.
I reckon you played that spot-on Mog - nice one!
Get looking for a decent job and all the best.
Good layd...
You can't use Inventor can you...? 🙂
Good stuff. Very well held sir.
Nicely done Mog. Good luck with the job hunt
Congratulations.
Take the many positives from your preparation and behaviours and the fact if they wanted rid they would have terminated you on the spot. Unfortunately the culture in a business is set by the senior person on site and if this behaviour is endemic you have 3 months to sort yourself out. You could take out insurance to cover the bills if the worst was to happen in a few months.
However if you are part of the interview and selection process for additional staff you may have a future? Take discrete soundings over the next few weeks and see what the feedback is from colleagues. No doubt it will be a talking point.
In todays climate performance is key and no one can carry passengers. I've sacked family members as a very last resort and after running out of every avenue available but they were negatively impacting their team. The business comes first so by all means look around but don't discount staying and moving up the food chain. I appreciate the last statement sounds awful and I've paid a heavy price in terms of family but I have no regrets.
What i'm trying to say is your manager has been exposed as a poor performer and has been out manoeuvred by a new starter. His peers will have their own thoughts reinforced by todays meeting and their voices will not go un noticed. If they do their manager will risk losing respect and probably a cohesive and effective team of senior staff. Or get rid or re train the manger in question. Not a big choice there is there! Don't under estimate your worth you bring but at the same time don't think your indispensable.
Just make sure you don't access this site from your office computer! Your fine from a legal aspect but why give them leverage?
Take time to reflect and think and act outside your comfort zone. This gives a whole different perspective to all the important things in your life and not enough people do it.
Of course all the above doesn't apply in which case the very best of luck with your new career where ever that takes you.
Well done Mog.
Well done to the STW Collective for some excellent advice and support.
Well done Mog.
Whether you take slowmart's advice depends upon how you want to live your life - personally I wouldn't want to live like that (no offence slowmart).
I'm in a sort of similar position to you Mog and can tell you it's not good for your health or happiness in the long run.
Good luck 🙂
OP - yep, you bought yourself some breathing space, which really was your goal. So good job!
But now you're a marked man. If they are inclined to get rid of you, they will now meticulously document every little issue that they have with you and your group. You can't win, and it would probably take a superhuman effort to even try.
So focus yourself on your job search and put your real effort into that. Do enough at work that they don't have a real reason to get rid of you sooner than 3 months, but don't kill yourself trying to hang on, either.
Go Moggie!
Evidence 2 - performance broken down per head in my team to demonstrate that if I had 4 more 'heads', as I'd been requesting, the targets would have been hit. (actual x 4 = as near as dammit)
This is the crucial part of your OP and follow up. Good on you for getting in early, getting your head down and confounding them with irrefutable evidence.
Well done - its nice to hear some positive(ish) news in the current challenging employment environment. Hope it works out in the longer term!
Perhaps STW could set up a rival service to ACAS 😉
Pleased this worked out as best as could be expected,now bring it in folks for a big STW group hug 🙂
Nice to hear some good news. Well done.
Congratulations Mog.
Well done - excellent result. I'm the first one to say a business shouldn't carry passengers, but at the same time, part of management responsibility is taking ownership of issues. Clearly they have failed on several counts.....
As has been said, you're now a marked man, not only from your manager, but also the admin team who you have exposed for failing in their function.
Spend your time getting out to interviews. Don't waste energy trying to screw them by going sick etc, that's not constructive use of your time.
You got a good result here - keep us posted how it all goes mate.
Maybe we should start posting job vacancies on here?
Well done Mog, sounds like they were woefully underbriefed/prepared for your interview.
Advice from my wife (employment lawyer) get a copy of your employee handbook, which should contain al the processes they should follow for any disciplinary. Failure to follow procedures gives you a potential unfair dismissal claim.
Yeah good result there, even if it does just buy you 3 months to get a better job elsewhere. It's kind of odd to though, if they'd already decided they wanted you out then even though you proved the poor performance was baseless they could still have gone through with it. I'd say it doesn't look good for your line manager and that he'd been telling porkies and got found out during the meeting as a result.
Great result Mog. Great result STW! 🙂
3 month probabtion extended = sit on arse using company internet to find new job/surf Singletrack
2 months and 30 days later = leave job with no mark on your CV
Good result
