I can see that the message behind the quote has been comprehensively lost on you trailmonkey.
Sorry let me re-adjust that for you (again):-
Because denying the right to a good whinge is a close metaphor for stringing dissenting voices up with piano wire or interning and exterminating them
FFS just admit it, you invoked Godwin's and got busted. 🙄
I can see that you have never really forgiven me for calling you a pseudo-leftie. And it's nice to be reminded that the comment really wound you up
Didn't wind me up at all gus, it made me smile. It just confirmed to me your narrow minded prejudice and proves that you're as willing to judge and hate in the same ignorant ways as those which you're always condemning in others.
Trailmonkey; where do you feel that xenophobia begins and ends?
At the start and the finish ? Is that the answer you were looking for, or were you hoping to accuse me of something ?
At the start and the finish ? Is that the answer you were looking for, or were you hoping to accuse me of something ?
Well, actually understanding Ernie's point would not be something I could accuse you of, clearly... 🙄
Godwins Law: Same as 'It's PC gone mad' type bollocks.
Well, actually understanding Ernie's point would not be something I could accuse you of, clearly
You have a clear problem in distinguishing between the words understanding and agreeing. I undertsand his point entirely, I might even agree with it, I just wouldn't feel the need to articulate it in such a way that draws comparison with Nazism as that obviously trivialises it. This is of course the whole point of Godwin's. Hope that sorts it for you.
Godwins Law: Same as 'It's PC gone mad' type bollocks
Oh here we go, difference of opinion = insulting posting. I must be a blue rinsed knee jerking Mail reader because Fred disagrees with me.
Get it off your chest Fred.
Didn't wind me up at all gus, it made me smile.
[i]So I did[/i] call you a 'pseudo-leftie' ?.........cool, I couldn't remember with 100% certainty whether or not I had 8)
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Godwins Law: Same as 'It's PC gone mad' type bollocks.
Indeed. And the interesting point here is, who has flagged up Godwins Law. Trailmonkey has gone on record on here, of claiming to have previously supported the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism.
Of [i][b]that[/b][/i] I am absolutely certain ..... 'cause I remember thinking "he sounds like an OK guy".
Now everyone knows of course, that the specific role of the Anti-Nazi League was to expose the then racists in Britain, the NF, for the Nazis which they really were. It is a task which the Anti-Nazi League was hugely successful in achieving.
Strange therefore, that Trailmonkey should now be so quick to invoke Godwins Law at the drop of a hat.
But of course it helps to wonderfully illustrate my description of him as a 'pseudo-leftie' 😀
So I did call you a 'pseudo-leftie' ?.........cool, I couldn't remember with 100% certainty whether or not I had
Not sure either, if you can be bothered to search it you'll find out. Think it was more of a "Guardian reader" type of generalisation but you're in the right ball park.
Indeed. And the interesting point here is, who has flagged up Godwins Law. Trailmonkey has gone on record here, of claiming to have previously supported the Anti-Nazi League and Rock Against Racism.Of that I am absolutely certain ..... 'cause I remember thinking "he sounds like an OK guy".
Now everyone knows of course, that the specific role of the Anti-Nazi League was to expose the then racists in Britain, the NF, for the Nazis which they really were. It is a task which the Anti-Nazi League was hugely successful in achieving.
I was involved in those movements. I was also a NUPE shop steward at aged 17 if you need further proof of my psuedo leftyism. It is because of that anti-Nazism that Godwin's needs to be invoked. Every time comparisons are made in the way that you have, it trivialises what happened and opens the door slightly wider for it to happen again.
Strange therefore, that Trailmonkey should now be so quick to invoke Godwins Law at the drop of a hat.
But of course it helps to wonderfully illustrate my description of him as a 'pseudo-leftie'
Nice to be branded a Nazi for daring to flag you up on that though gus, real nice work 8)
Trailmonkey; Ernie made a perfectly reasonable and valid point, by quoting the German feller, in the context of this discussion. It starts off with the little things...
Shouting 'Godwin's Law' like a schoolboy doesn't mean you actually have a valid argument against him, it just shows you know how to recite a mantra.
Trailmonkey; Ernie made a perfectly reasonable and valid point, by quoting the German feller, in the context of this discussion. It starts off with the little things...
I disagree. Wether I agree with it or not, an act that goes through a democratic process is not the same as dragging people from their beds and murdering them.
Shouting 'Godwin's Law' like a schoolboy doesn't mean you actually have a valid argument against him, it just shows you know how to recite a mantra
That's a bit rich from the master of the 6th form manifesto 😉
I fairness Fred I think that the argument has been pretty much established and dispatched, hence the need for gus to divert the issue towards me being a nazi ❗
an act that goes through a democratic process is not the same as dragging people from their beds and murdering them.
And Hitler was never voted into power... 🙄
I think Ernie was making the point that apathy over the way certain minorities are being treated can lead to far more frightening long-term consequences. Ignore the little things at the expense of the bigger things later on down the line. I agree with him, actually.
[i] Is there anything that the police and the government have less business getting involved in than that?[/i]
I think putting people in prison for it is ridiculous, but if it will alleviate fear for a majority, and security threats, regardless of how small, then yes, they probably do have a right to. What I find worrying is whether this could be a precursor to ideas like Geert Wilders' of banning the Koran and so on.
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This thread has had very little flaming of the religious so far;
[b]TANNOY![/b] Woppit to the chat forum please!
I thought this was just a simple error on your part trailmonkey :
[b][i]"Nice to be branded a Nazi for daring to flag you up on that though gus, real nice work "[/i][/b] 8)
But then you repeat it again here :
[b][i]"hence the need for gus to divert the issue towards me being a nazi"[/i][/b] ❗
😕 So I've branded you a "Nazi" trailmonkey have I ?
And your evidence for that is apparently this :
Strange therefore, that Trailmonkey should now be so quick to invoke Godwins Law at the drop of a hat.
But of course it helps to wonderfully illustrate my description of him as a 'pseudo-leftie'
So calling you a "pseudo-leftie" means that I'm branding you "a Nazi" does it ?
I think you've got some problems mate 😐
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Not sure either, if you can be bothered to search it you'll find out.
I'm a bit busy right now, but I'll have a quick look at the search facility later....I'll let you know if it throws up anything interesting.
Whatever gus, I'm bored with it now.
You can mark it down as another glorious example of being right
Hasta la victoria siempre.
Well that's a shame trailmonkey, cause I found some interesting stuff after doing a bit of searching.
It was this comment up there ^^ which rang a few bells :
[b][i]"Didn't wind me up at all gus, it made me smile. It just confirmed to me your narrow minded prejudice and proves that you're as willing to judge and hate in the same ignorant ways as those which you're always condemning in others."[/i][/b]
And look what I found :
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trailmonkey - MemberAbsolute tosh. The BNP are gaining ground because a bunch of gormless idiots are voting for them. You can apportion blame all you want but when it comes to voting, there's only one person who makes the descision. If you lot really think that some working class bloke in Burnley is going to vote BNP because he disagrees with LibDem economic policy [u]then you're even more of a bunch of idiots than I ever imagined, People vote BNP because they are thick, racist, biggoted morons, end of.
Muppets.[/u]
Posted 6 months ago # Report-Post
I responded to that with :
ernie_lynch - Member[u]Maybe we can win them over by calling them all "thick, racist, bigoted morons"[/u].... ? 💡
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And then you said :
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trailmonkey - Member[u]You're right. Give them a big hug from me[/u].
Posted 6 months ago # Report-Post
So it would appear that it's [u]you[/u] who's [i]"willing to judge and hate in the same ignorant ways as those which you're always condemning in others"[/i]
And in fact if we dig a little deeper, we find this :
trailmonkey - MemberYou've outed yourself on this thread ernie. You can carry on with your 1000 word essays about the injustices of the world but when it comes down to a level that you can actually affect yourself, your happy to stand aside and let bigotry go. [u]Only a couple of weeks ago you were on here telling us how you'd been friends for years with a BNP member and when you're faced with evidence of someone acting in a bigoted or bullying manner, you're happy to defend it and blame the recipients[/u].
Posted 10 months ago # Report-Post
So there you are condemning me because I said that I had a friend who was a former BNP member, and you accuse me of 'defending bigots'.
This is some of the stuff I had said btw :
ernie_lynch - MemberWhilst for obvious reasons I have many like-minded friends, I don't choose my friends solely on the bases of their politics. And I can be friends with racists - and homophobes. And yes even with fascists. [u]I despise the ideology, but not necessarily the people[/u].
Posted 10 months ago #
So you have criticised me on here for being to tolerant and conciliatory towards fascist and racists, but now you accuse me of, quote : "[i] your narrow minded prejudice and proves that you're as willing to judge and hate in the same ignorant ways as those which you're always condemning in others[/i].
Some impressive inconsistency there fella. Still, at least no one can ever accuse you of not being consistently inconsistent.
But anyway, you're bored with it all now, so we'll leave it at that. And as you say : [i]Hasta la victoria siempre. [/i] 8)
