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Aaah Matt, back from exile. Good to see you back on the forum, thought I might be joining you on the naughty step yesterday.
Just joshing with you old son and you do bite rather easily 🙂
not some all the gear no idea runner who isn't very good
I have a pair of trainers....is that too much gear?
Just listen, don't argue/ask questions...
I've run a few sub three hour marathons in the past as a club runner. That's before I stopped running because of osteo-arthristis in both hips. Averaged over 50 miles a week for years peaking @ around 80 miles in marathon training. All I'd say is stick with good cushioning & don't listen to all this barefoot crap. The impact of the footstrike affects the whole body. I must also say that alot of my training was off road as well ...light permitting. Buy the best shoes you can afford & change them regularly depending on mileage ; I'd say every 6 months at least as a regular runner
Not sure Surf mat approves your sub 3:00 hour time, is it awesome enough? Only then will we know if your advice is worthy.
molgrips -The body knows how to run.
This is a myth imo.
Not really - run down the street in running trainers, then try the same stretch barefoot - whereas before you may be heel striking the ground, your body will automatically adjust to more of a mid/fore foot plant when running barefoot.
As I've experienced first hand, you may need to do some work in awakening certain muscle groups that haven't been used as much due to years of running in trainers, but the body does have a system in place to cope effectively with running without any aids.
"As I've experienced first hand, you may need to do some work in awakening certain muscle groups that haven't been used as much due to years of running in trainers, but the body does have a system in place to cope effectively with running without any aids."
Maybe....but it's still useless advice in the long term
djglover...do I need to provide evidence?
🙂 Don't ask me dude
D28boy - MemberMaybe....but it's still useless advice in the long term
why is it useless?
why is it useless?Re-read my post or don't ..it's up to you...it's your body...
Anyway I don't use tyres on my bike anymore... it just developed a system to cope effectively without them....oh & I fell off as well
Maybe....but it's still useless advice in the long term
Well I'm not here to give you advice, I was responding to molgrips' myth comment.
The idea that cushioned running trainers alleviates impact of footstrike doesn't take into account the whole picture. The cushioning which creates the barrier between foot and ground creates problems as there is a need for the foot to feel the ground, and the brain to recognise when that is happening. More cushioning = harder footstrike, generally on the heel = ankle injuries.
Personal choice though, but the switch is working for me.
(sighs)
your posts read:
"i was a good runner (you were), i love heel striking i do, now i've got arthritis in my hips, all this fore-foot advice is useless."
(i've summarised a little).
do you think the advice is useless - cos our bodies know how to do it anyway?
or do you think the advice is uselss - cos the very idea is silly?
(sub 3 hours is very impressive, your opinion carries weight)
I am just going for a run now....I just don't think I am going to enjoy it knowing that I am probably rubbish and not reaching for the max and pumping that burn...or something like that.
....I do enjoy being out in the countryside tho.
I do enjoy being out in the countryside tho
Best bit for me. I'm a half decent runner but can't be bothered with the competitiveness over times. Up early for a run in great surroundings is where the enjoyment lies for me, not shaving a couple of seconds off my 10k time.
Finbar, 3:10 off road? 😆
Thanks Surfer, it's a lot slower than the normal winning times for that race but it was about 30 degrees C, which suited me just fine and apparently didn't do the competition any favours.
Back on topic, i ordered some Vibram Fauxfingers from dealtoworld about a month ago. Worked out at ~£21 in total. If they ever turn up i'll post a review.
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Ahwiles-I believe most quality trainer manufactures spend time & money developing their shoes so that the rotation of the foot on contact with the ground mimicks the foots natural action. Cushioning is simply that...an attempt to reduce the impact force on the body when this occurs. They manufacture shoes for specific purposes, weight reduction ultimately leads to quicker times but lighter shoes offer less protection & more vulnerability to injury long term. Race in lightweights train in more cushioned/heavier shoes would be my advice.Heel strike is different for runners of differing abilities. If you watch a middle distance athletes there is very little heel strike ...a jogger has a lot but shoe makers offer support in both area's.
I'm not saying I'm definitely right & they are wrong ...just that I believe if you're running any distance regularly on roads or hard trails a light/no shoe will lead to injuries/joint issues. Also have you ever stepped onto a flint on the ball of your foot in a light shoe when running/racing? That bruised bone can hurt for weeks!
Thanx for the comment of my opinion carrying weight...I'm noticing that more & more since I've stopped running.
Only wish I could still go out for a nice run in the country any time I wanted!
just that I believe if you're running any distance regularly on roads or hard trails a light/no shoe will lead to injuries/joint issues
Runners must have been completely crippled before the invention of super cushioned, advanced running shoes that's subsequently calmed the number of sustained injuries then? Oh...
Hey Jolsa- I'm not rising to your trol. I'm simply trying to offer my advice as someone who ran regulary for more than 20 years in response to a reasonable question. Take it or leave it
Lovely run in the countryside just now - it's reached a sweltering EIGHT degrees here! A random mixture of still solid/frozen ground and mud.
Nice and sunny too.
I think the Army term works well with running - unless an elite runner KISS.
Keep It Simple, Stupid.
Runners must have been completely crippled before the invention of super cushioned, advanced running shoes that's subsequently calmed the number of sustained injuries then? Oh...
Some where some werent. The attrition rate was high however. As someone who believes that athletes years ago (UK) trained harder, were faster and tougher than today I still believe that cushioned shoes (to a greater or lesser degree) help many people remain injury free and make running more accesible to more people.
your sub 3:00 hour time, is it awesome enough
But theres sub 3 hrs and sub 3 hrs 😉
Hey SM, have you got any pictures of roads to show how good a runner you are? Y'know, like those pictures of the sea you put up recently 🙂
Quick check on boblo's previous posts (who you ask? Yes I wondered too).
Every SINGLE stalker geek box ticked.
Stroll on laddio.
Next.
Surfer - pic not working. I ran with the mutt too - always fun.
Bingo! 🙂
I see - a victory through being an anonymous stalker nerd.
Interesting...
I'll claim that as a double strike, thankyou 🙂
I get it - any reply is a "win" - so clearly trolling as well as craving any attention.
I said it several posts ago - stroll on laddio.
That'll be three aaaand the full set. I've just won a bet... 🙂
Boblo and his mate meet at the cyber cafe
Boblo (s****ing) I bet I can get this random guy to reply to me three times on a website forum.
Boblo's mate (distracted) oh... really... errmmm go on then.
Boblo I bet you TWO Opal Fruits I can do it!!
Boblo's mate yeah whatever...
Boblo HA HAAAA I DID IT!!!
Boblo's mate oh well done, now ermmm I'm just stalking Alice on Facebook can you take the sweets and come and join me?
Boblo Hey STALKER TIME! Oooh, she looks well fit, I bet she's a good kisser.
Despite everything Matt, that was quite funny. Good to see you've got your sense of humour back.
Hey Jolsa- I'm not rising to your trol. I'm simply trying to offer my advice as someone who ran regulary for more than 20 years in response to a reasonable question. Take it or leave it
And I was simply offering mine. No 'trol'. You gave the initial flippant 'useless advice' reply, and I'm simply putting forward my own opinion to counter your own. Nothing wrong with that, I'd just like a balanced view on here that's all.
SurfMat and boblo, cheers for ruining the thread. 😐
SurfMat and boblo, cheers for ruining the thread.
Same old nonsense unfortunately 😐
Don't be silly, its all been said:
'Try xyz shoes they're greeeat' x10
'Ooh no, no barefoot is bestest'
'No it aint' x 10
'Yes it is' x 10
'I'm faster than you...'
Repeat to fade
Just ignore the last page of nonsense.
Gotta say, I agree with double-D
J, how was your run? Are you feeling suitably inadequate after it? Toe all heeled up?
I think Ian was onto something in that other thread. Shame there is no ignore function on here like on most forums.
Anyways, it was 10 miles of slippy slideyness and quite christmassy views. Not awesome, but I feel good for doing it in my slow, shambling fashion.
He started it. As usual. And wrote nothing related to this thread. Just man up and ignore if not interested. You do not need an "ignore" button unless you have an eye problem or something. Moaning old tarts.
Anyway back to running...
It was nice to be able to go for it a bit today. Recent ice runs involving lots of careful skittering about and so times have been very poor (nearly wrote Charlie Romeo Alpha Papa then instead of poor - could have been another ban 🙂 )
Errm no, sorry old chum. This is what started it:
Surf-Mat - Member
Lesson - never come to STW for running/shoe advice.IMO at least 90% of this thread is complete BS written by those that are cr4p runners anyway. A few snippets of good advice but it's hard to find...
Jamie, I'll start looking at some suitable code over the next few weeks.
nearly wrote Charlie Romeo Alpha Papa
That's swear filter avoidance.
That's swear filter avoidance.
Got to be a pretty switched on kiddie to work it out though...
Can someone please explain to me why using a cushioned trainer (irrelevent of cost) is BETTER and therefore MORE ADVISABLE than learning to run without shoes?
Rocks, roots, dog waste and steep slippery descents are all good candidates for me. I like minimal, just not that minimal.
I also like minimal (off road) but if I ran "barefoot," I'd come back with my feet in bits, dog turds between my toes and probably slip off the edge of a small cliff.
As long as it fits and is comfy, I don't care whether it has more padding than a bouncy castle or has soles thinner than a ballet shoe.
Let's not forget that the Olympic barefoot gold medallist (Bikhil or something?) won the first race barefoot and the second in a pair of Asics.