What's with the diversion?
I thought we were talking about civil servants...
Indulge me
Get back to me on the civil servant question and I might think about it 😉
, who vets civil servants and their career
Errrr....Jimmy Saville?
Rather than being sacked, or even disciplined, they were constantly promoted
do you think that was because of, or despite their supposed involvement, in the dossier? And do you think that they wrote it under direction, or complied it themselves under no one else’s direction? What about the parts that were plagiarised? Why didn’t they correct spelling mistakes? (These are after all two well educated men) Why does John Steel (the head of JIC) tell the Hutton enquiry that the wording of the report is “entirely my control” when according to you he didn’t write it?
Not sure why you say supposed involvement; it's plain to see:
(scroll down to page 7 for the source document)
http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/75951/2002-09-02-Letter-Sedwill-to-Rycroft-Iraq.pd f">Source document
That said, it's a good question; either scenario doesn't sit well...
(EDIT: I see you've edited and asked all sorts of questions, which is a good thing; we should all be asking questions of how this was allowed to happen)
see you’ve edited and asked all sorts of questions
care to speculate on a answer to any of them?
Nope, I think it's better to let the facts speak for themselves
Reminds me of lawyer woman who would not engage on a single point of detail.
Quite, your choosing a strategy to get your point ignored.
The main problem I see is a lack of curiousity and excessive acceptance of the status quo
We don't like it, the problem is that we don't know how to change it. And to be fair, neither do you based on form.
Nope, I think it’s better to let the facts speak for themselves
No you're going to have to do MUCH better than that. That sentence right there is a weaselly non-statement that does nothing to further the debate. It diminishes your position because it makes it look like you don't have anything solid; but it also opens the situation up to wild interpretation by those who are so inclined which is pretty damaging.
If you were walking past a house that was being burgled at the same time, and later someone posted CCTV footage of you being there, would you expect the police to arrest you, put you on trial with that photo as evidence and say 'let the facts speak to themselves' ?
Nope, I think it’s better to let the facts speak for themselves
trouble is, you don't have facts, all you do is uncritically re-post endless Twitter speculation (or gossip as most people would recognise it) context-free photos, innuendo, your own world view biases and conjunction fallacies. You're as much as a consumer as the rest of this forum. Oh and weirdly; similar to most really far-right nutbars, it nearly always ends up in a pedophile ring. That must be a co-incidence though, right?
I've provided way more facts than you... i.e. the source documents, which show clear involvement
I could further the debate with Mark Sedwill's background as a UN Weapon's inspector:
I don't pretend this subject matter is pretty, but that doesn't stop it being true, however much you try to derail.
Speaking of derailing this thread is being totally derailed, can we get back on topic please.
Wait, whut? The government commissioned a report on iraq and then got one of their mos senior civil servants with extensive experience of the region to comment that report before issuing it? And youve single handedly discovered this scoop? Holy ****ing shit this is DYNAMITE, why hasn't anyone raised this before? And where's your Pulitzer prize?
Srzly though you're exhibiting all the click bait, breadcrumb, I know more than you , attributes discussed earlier in the thread, if you've got a point just state it.
How many of these people that believe in sinister cabals and 5G microchips etc have a mobile phone? I'd wager close to 100%. In which case every single interaction you have online is probably easily identifiable to your particular device. Your location is tracked 24/7. Your spending habits, if you used Apple Pay/Google Pay etc. Your physical health, if you have a smar****ch.
The irony is in being part of all these conspiracy groups they're probably handing over far more personal information to Apple, Samsung, FB/YT et al than the government could ever get, even via Bill Gates's 5G microchips.
Certainly a tricky one... if any group was sufficiently subversive to pose a legtitimate threat to government, it would swiftly be infiltrated and led astray
The logical conclusion of which is you are o e of 'them'
Define 'them'
