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yes it would. the fact that the word **** was used so openly helps to set the historical cultural context imho.
Surely, it's a film about dambusting, not culture. As such, insisting on calling the dog **** in the re-make serves no purpose other than to piss people off and keep people who get wound up by guardian readers happy. 🙂
To be fair, all labrador's I've met are pretty racist anyway. Not as bad as alsatians, but they're up there
Horses are the worst:
Times change, things move on
...history gets rewritten
...history gets rewritten
Erm...it's a film. I bet there will be plenty of other factual inaccuracies in there too. I think I can handle the dog being renamed.
Changing the name of a dog in a dramatised film about a very well documented period is rewriting history?
The name of the dog will pail into insignificance once the film's made, and we see the crew of the B-17 squadron high-fiving each other as they'll all return safely over the channel after their successful mission. That's how these things usually go isn't it
...history gets rewritten
When I heard about the remake I was more concerned that it would be done by an American film studio and would be the American air force.
The fact that the dog's name is to be changed I'm not sure is going to have a drastic impact on the story.
Besides, the dog will die half way through. Just watch the second half if you're that bothered....you can assume the first half is just a sham.
The dog is such an inconsequential part of the story your analagoy is ridiculous.
The dog's name is the codeword used to signal that [u]the dam[/u] has been [u]busted[/u]. In the film, [u]The Dambusters[/u] some regard this as a fairly key moment 😀
Surely, it's a film about dambusting, not culture. As such, insisting on calling the dog **** in the re-make serves no purpose other than to piss people off
Well some might well reflect on the point that while we fought the "nasty racist Germans", things were not exactly PC back in Blighty.
Why is it better to pretend that we were above that, it didn't happen and Britain has always been the land of equal opportunities?
Changing the name of a dog in a dramatised film about a very well documented period is rewriting history?
It's all about the dog. It's always about the dog. Dog dog dog dog Dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog dog.
Dog.
The name of the dog will pail into insignificance once the film's made, and we see the crew of the B-17 squadron high-fiving each other as they'll all return safely over the channel after their successful mission. That's how these things usually go isn't it
Why not? After all the Dambusters are an American Squadron
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VFA-195
Surely, it's a film about dambusting, not culture.
i don't see that the two are mutually exclusive. would that mission, with its consequences go ahead in todays cultural environment ? unlikely i'd say.
setting the hideous events of wwii requires the setting of an historically accurate culutal backdrop. just my opinion.
Dr Dre is shite.
Snoop whatever dog is shite.
M&M is shite but not the chocolate as they taste good.
Public Enemy is funny so they are good.
The rest shite.
We should create a thread to discuss how we can combine...
This...
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...and this...
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chewkw:
Dr Dre is shite.
Snoop whatever dog is shite.
M&M is shite but not the chocolate as they taste good.Public Enemy is funny so it is good.
The rest shite.
I come for the service, but I stay for Chewkw's special brand on nonsense.
Doesn't that go along the lines of 'What's black and rhymes with Snoop'?
The version I'm familiar with is "what's brown and rhymes with 'snoop'?" - giving us the obvious straight answer of "poop" and thus adding a little misdirection in order to add comedic value and avoid foreshadowing the punchline.
Hm, jokes are like frogs.
all new copies of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn have had all the N word references removed. I don't know what they've changed it to. maybe this:
http://rutube.ru/tracks/3952243.html
I think they should change the film title to "Dyke Smashing" it may sell a few more.
Oh dear my black lab's run away "Coon, where are you"? (named after an evergreen plant called a coontie, i'll have you know.)
Agreed Cougar - I am crap at telling even half a joke.
😀
Hm, jokes are like frogs.
They come apart when ****ed?
The dog's name is the codeword used to signal that the dam has been busted. In the film, The Dambusters some regard this as a fairly key moment
Changing the dog's name wouldn't change this plot device one jot.
I come for the service, but I stay for Chewkw's special brand on nonsense.
Ironic then, that you'd say that the first time he's ever written anything vaguely correct. (-:
They come apart when ****ed?
They die when dissected, yes. I'm sure that's what you meant.
(-:
Well some might well reflect on the point that while we fought the "nasty racist Germans", things were not exactly PC back in Blighty.
Would "some reflect" on that really? Would they bollocks. There are plenty and better opportunities to get people to reflect on our racist past than by insisting that the dog still gets called "****".
setting the hideous events of wwii requires the setting of an historically accurate culutal backdrop. just my opinion.
Fair enough, and I mostly agree with you on these kinds of things, but I suspect we won't be seeing or hearing much about the true horrors of WW2 in this film...moreover, it'll be a celebration of the raid and the planning. And as such, the name of the dog would matter less than say, it was a film similar to "Schindlers List" or the like.
I see a lot of PC and non-PC handwringing by people who have probably never experienced racism.
I always wanted two dogs. One called Nboogie and one called Myface.
That way, when they were playing up and jumping on the furniture, I could yell out, "Get down, Nboogie!"
Or, perhaps in the park, when one dog was lagging behind, I could shout out, "Come on, Myface!"
whilst having minimal impact on the German war effort
Really? I knew you usually talked rubbish, but that's quite exceptional...
GrahamS - MemberThe dog's name is the codeword used to signal that the dam has been busted. In the film, The Dambusters some regard this as a fairly key moment
The dambusting, yes. The actual [i]codeword[/i] used is not key to anything except kneejerking.
Forget the name, that dog drinks beer 8)
would that mission, with its consequences go ahead in todays cultural environment ? unlikely i'd say.
Consequences: Reduced power output in the Ruhr valley for around a month. 1650 people dead*, over 1000 of which were allied prisoners of war or forced labourers.
Unlikely I'd hope.
(* though obviously in the film the dead will all be Imperial Stormtroopers, orcs and zombies).
Why not? After all the Dambusters are an American Squadron
They were nothing to do with the subject of the Dambusters film though.
Times change, things move on
They should have used a white dog and called it Cracker 😆
Am I now banned?
all new copies of The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn have had all the N word references removed.
Aaaaargh! That's half the frickin point of Huckleberry Finn.
Should I look forward to the rewrite of "Uncle Tom's Cabin"?
Or perhaps "Othello: the tanned gentleman of Venice"
Would "some reflect" on that really? Would they bollocks
I just did 😀
I just did
Good point. 😕
Am I now banned?
Yes.
but I suspect we won't be seeing or hearing much about the true horrors of WW2 in this film...moreover, it'll be a celebration of the raid and the planning.
yup, i can't see the true extent of the human suffering of the raid being depicted by a production company squeamish about the dog's name.
Consequences:
Many factories destroyed, lots of labourers re-allocated to fix the mess when they were supposed to ahve been working on France's coastal defences, a lot of wasted effort working out how to stop us doing it again.
Clearly a quite useless mission then 🙄
whilst having minimal impact on the German war effort
Really? I knew you usually talked rubbish, but that's quite exceptional
Normally at this stage you would be expected to provide some evidence to support your response
Edit: ok see your response now
zokes - Member
[b]whilst having minimal impact on the German war effort[/b]
Really? [s]I knew you usually talked rubbish, but that's quite exceptional.[/s] I often disagree with your views and find your evidence base questionable. However in the current case you appear to have over extended yourself.
this is a basic start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chastise#The_tactical_view
"what's brown and rhymes with 'snoop'?"
Dr Dre
I see a lot of PC and non-PC handwringing by people who have probably never experienced racism.
To be clear: I'm a big white (pale blue) Scot, and I've never been on the sharp end of racism.
And I'm wringing my hands because I don't think that rewriting history and pretending racism never happened is a step forward for anyone.
And I'm wringing my hands because I don't think that rewriting history and pretending racism never happened is a step forward for anyone.
Who's pretending that racism never happened?
Who's pretending that racism never happened?
That jock up there
Sorry - am I being dim here or was calling a dog '****' in the 1940s a racist act?
Did they have gay dog's in the 1940's? Or was that still quite taboo?
Sorry - am I being dim here or was calling a dog '****' in the 1940s a racist act?
probably depends if you're a moral relativist or not
Who's pretending that racism never happened?
The folk repainting a historical portrait to cover over the inconvenient unsightly bits on our brave boys.
(See also the rewrite on Huckleberry Finn mentioned earlier)
That jock up there
I think you'll find the correct term is "a sweaty"
lifer 🙂
amazing load of stw bollox spouted as usual
who actually cares what the dog was called, its only a film
people that see pc gone mad (tm) conspiracy theories in this want to see them (they also seem to be the same people who dont like hiphop)
just for you heres some rap (that doesnt feature dre, snoop or eminem) but i like it anyway
and heres another version
only 1 video features the bad word tho!