[Closed] 9/11 documentary

click on those links and the supporting evidence I.e. more you tube videos, comes from infowars and the like. It’s a circle jerk of nonsense.

Jivehoney,

although interesting, there isn't one actual whistleblower in that list.

How many of the truthers take BRAIN PILLS everyday?

https://twitter.com/ChrisCaesar/status/926546199011786752

Honestly if you deny 9/11 was real you want locking up, you're one step away from being a mass murderer

although interesting, there isn't one actual whistleblower in that list.

Nope. Not a single whistleblower to be seen in that list.

Which is incredible really, in a list of whistleblowers.

It’s almost like someone is clutching at straws.

So why has there not been a single whistleblower? It would have taken many hundreds of people many weeks to wire the buildings for demolition. During this time thousands of workers were using the building daily. Not one saw anything funny? NO det cord, no removed supports, no evidence of anything

They did it at night when the workers went home, silly.

Well just to reiterate, I mentioned his intellect merely to make the point that conspiracy theorists are not necessarily stupid people.

Intelligence has absolutely nothing to do with being stupid. The two are in no way related.

Jive I missed your link to a whistleblower , that would be some one on the inside of the conspiracy who publicised it. Not the random noise in your post. Can you link to an actual person disclosing a conspiracy ?

Nope, definitely no whistleblowers here:

The 9/11 Whistleblowers

The 9/11 Commission - [b]The myth that the 9/11 commission report represents an adequate investigation into the events of 9/11 is perhaps best exposed by the commissioners themselves, 6 out of 10 of whom have questioned the commission and its conclusions personally[/b] (namely Kean and Hamilton, Kerrey, Roemer, Lehman and Cleland). [b]Commission co-chairman Thomas Kean once famously remarked that the Commission was "set up to fail." Commission members considered bringing criminal charges against Pentagon officials who had deliberately lied to them about the military's complete lack of response on that day.[/b] One of the commissioners, Max Cleland, even resigned because the commission had been "deliberately compromised by the president of the United States."

Not a single mention of a conspiracy either...

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Commissioner Bob Kerrey claims 911 was a 30 year conspiracy[/url][/b]

Richard Andrew Grove - In 2000, Richard Andrew Grove was working for Silverstream Software, a software development company specializing in enterprise architecture software. By October of that year he had landed the firm their largest client in the company's history: Marsh & McLennan. After finding evidence that Silverstream was overbilling Marsh by nearly $7 million and being told to keep quiet by both his own management and those he confided to at Marsh, he was fired. After his termination, he was invited to present his evidence at a staff meeting in Marsh's offices where Marsh employees who were suspicious of such transactions themselves were gathered. That meeting was on the 98th floor of the World Trade Center. It was the 11th of September, 2001. And everyone who was in attendance at the meeting died there that day. Grove, who had been late for the meeting, survived. His remarkable story, as well as subsequent events, led him to start piecing together how 9/11 helped financial institutions and insurance companies cover up billions of dollars in fraud by eliminating those who were asking questions about it.

Richard Grove, Wall Street Whistleblower

Sibel Edmonds - In the wake of 9/11, Sibel Edmonds heeded the FBI's call for Middle Eastern language experts to support their counterterrorism unit. Fluent in Turkish and Azerbaijani and conversational in Farsi, she joined the FBI as a translator on September 15, 2001. She soon discovered gross negligence and criminal conspiracy in the FBI and State Department, including deliberately mistranslated documents in the Bureau's possession before 9/11 that contained information about the attacks, nuclear spies being facilitated by top government officials and foreign operatives who were taken in for questioning after 9/11 being released because they were connected to those spy rings. A 2005 report from the Office of the Inspector General determined that none of Edmonds' allegations can be refuted. In 2009, Edmonds revealed that Osama Bin Laden had been working for U.S. intelligence right up to the day of 9/11.

Sibel Edmonds: Bin Laden Worked for U.S. Right Up Until 9/11 PT1

William Bergman - In August 2001 the Federal Reserve Board of Governors issued a non-routine supervisory letter warning Fed banks to be vigilant in monitoring suspicious activity reports. At the same time, the United States' economy was experiencing its largest June-August spike in M1 money supply since 1947, with more than $5 billion being added to the currency in circulation over that period. Piecing this information together at the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago two years later, economist Bill Bergman wondered if the sudden infusion of currency might have been an indicator of foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks, as those with assets in danger of being frozen in the wake of such an attack would naturally want to liquidate their holdings before an investigation could occur. When Bergman wrote to the Board of Governors to ask for clarification as to why they had issued their supervisory letter, he was told that he had committed "an egregious breach of protocol in calling the Board staff and asking the question."

Coleen Rowley - When the so-called "20th hijacker" Zaccharias Moussaoui was detained on August 15th, 2001, agents in the Minneapolis FBI field office immediately sought a criminal warrant to search his belongings. Management at the FBI dealing with the request threw up numerous obstacles to the agents, and even withheld information from them, including the now-infamous Phoenix Memo written by an agent in Arizona warning of terrorists training in flight schools for a possible upcoming attack. The request was denied and agents were prevented from searching Moussaoui's laptop, which contained information that would have tipped the FBI off to the 9/11 plot. The Minneapolis field office Chief Counsel, Coleen Rowley, has been very public with her disgust at the conduct of FBI management during the case and its subsequent review, and she has supported causes like NYC CAN which seek to re-open the 9/11 investigation.

J. Michael Springmann - A 20-year veteran of the State Department's Foreign service, J. Michael Springmann served 18 months as the head of the visa section at the U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia in 1988-89. During that time he repeatedly rejected visa applications from unqualified individuals only to have his decisions overturned by the head of the consulate. When he returned to Washington, he discovered that the Jeddah consulate was being used as a place for funnelling Afghan mujahedeen into the U.S. for training, facilitated by the CIA on behalf of their asset, Osama bin Laden. The Jeddah consulate would be the very office that issued 15 of the alleged 9/11 hijackers' visas to enter the United States. After numerous complaints up the chain of command, Springmann's contract with the State Department was not renewed.

Jeddah, Visa Express & J. Michael Springmann

Robert Wright - In the 1990s, Special Agent Robert Wright of the FBI's Chicago field office spearheaded an investigation into terrorist financing codenamed Vulgar Betrayal. The investigation uncovered information about Yassin Al-Qadi, a terrorist financier who would go on to be designated a global terrorist financier by the U.S. treasury in the wake of 9/11. Vulgar Betrayal led to information about the African embassy bombings in 1998 and resulted in the seizure of $1.4 million of terrorist financing. Despite the investigation's remarkable success, however, Wright was taken off of Vulgar Betrayal in 1999 and reduced to a paper pusher. In 2002, Wright went public with information about how his investigations had been systematically starved for funds, hindered and obstructed by FBI management and revealed that he believes 9/11 could have been prevented if he had been allowed to continue his investigation. The Bureau prevented him from releasing a book about his experience. He was threatened with legal action if he revealed any details about what he had been investigating.

Indira Singh - As a risk management consultant for J.P. Morgan in 2001, Indira Singh was tasked with implementing the next generation of risk management software for the firm. Working for one of the largest financial institutions in the world, Singh wanted to choose a reputable software vendor for the task, one with a proven track record of working with the sensitive information of important clients. She solicited a presentation from Ptech, an enterprise architecture software firm whose clients included some of the most sensitive departments in the U.S. government, including the FBI, the Department of Defense, the Treasury, the IRS, the US Navy and the White House. After performing due diligence on the company, Singh discovered that it had been started in part by funds from Yassin Al-Qadi (the same Specially Designated Global Terrorist that Robert Wright's investigation had been focused on). She discovered many other disturbing links between Ptech officers and suspected terrorist organizations. Ptech had been conducting tests on the interoperability of FAA and NORAD computer systems in the event of an emergency on the morning of 9/11. When she tried to bring this information to the FBI in Boston she was told by one agent that she was in a better position to investigate the case than the Bureau was.

Indira Singh Testimony

Barry Jennings - Barry Jennings was the Deputy Director of Emergency Services for the New York City Housing Department. On the morning of 9/11, he received a phone call informing him that a plane had hit the World Trade Center and asking him to go to the Office of Emergency Management in World Trade Center Building 7. Arriving at the office with New York City Corporation Counsel Michael Hess, the men discovered that the OEM had been abandoned. When they attempted to leave there was a series of explosions inside the building, trapping them in the stairwell. Eventually Jennings and Hess were rescued by firefighters, and as they were leaving World Trade Center 7, they had to step over a number of bodies. Jennings' account contradicts the official government explanation of the collapse of World Trade Center 7 at 5:20 p.m. that day, which stated there were no explosions or casualties in the collapse. Jennings died on August 19, 2008 under extremely suspicious circumstances.

Barry Jennings Uncut

Ok. We’ll try again.

a [b]whistleblower , that would be some one on the inside of the conspiracy who publicised it.[/b]

Do you have any of those to tell us about ?

I’ve put the relevant bit in bold to help.

(I know you tried to do the same, but you seem to have accidentally put some irrelevant bits in bold instead)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html

Barry Jennings and the ‘explosions’

See. It’s not even difficult to find a rebuttal. I have zero interest in 9/11 conspiracies but you nutters don’t even do decent research. It’s just regurgitated you tube videos

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4JwGwwclsXGvxl2LfQPqk58/why-do-our-brains-love-conspiracy-theories ]BBC-R4-why-do-our-brains-love-conspiracy-theories[/url]

Why would they blow up WT7? To destroy the evidence duh!

Nope, definitely no whistleblowers here

Would that be the same BBC that had Tony Blair on this morning, lamenting fake news (forgetting the whole WMD thing) and stating Israel and Saudi Arabia are the most progressive countries in the Middle East, somehow forgetting about the plight of Yemenis and Palestinians?

Or the same BBC that had Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak on as it happened...

Odd that he should mention CIA, MI6 and Mossad (all involved in Operation Cyclone) knew full background of terrorists considering what we've come to understand about wahhabism and Saudi Arabia (and Bandar Bin Sultan)...

In other news Ehud Barack put Harvey Weinstein on to Black Cube (just don't mention Kroll, or Michael Cherkasky)

So... who's the whistleblower?

Whistleblower to what exactly?

do your own research

Whistleblower to what exactly?

Oh ffs. 🙄

You couldn’t make this shit up......

Common sense: Where are the whistle blowers? There aren’t any.

JHJ : Here they are, there are loads.

Common sense: those aren’t whistle blowers. They are just random people.

JHJ : here are the whistle blowers, I’ve put them in bold.

Common sense: nope. Still not whistle blowers. They are just the same random people, but this time in bold.

Where are the whistle blowers?

JHJ: Whistleblower to what exactly?

Are you genuinely that stupid that you don’t see how ****ing dumb that makes you look ?

Oh, are you talking about controlled demolition?

That's all just conjecture...

I'm trying to deal with facts rather than wasting my time arguing with knob-ends on the internet

That's why I mention stuff like the increase in Opium production in Afghanistan and Huffman Aviation's Rudi Dekkers, Wally Hillard and Michael Brassingtons links to the drugs trade, a bit like CIA pilot Barry Seal.

I even put a disclaimer up regarding the whistleblowers posted:

A quick google suggests there is indeed a fair few whistleblowers...

Whilst I'm not 100% on everything James Corbett mentions, here are a few examples:

That said, there is a lot of truth in there...

I'm trying to deal with facts

I even put a disclaimer up regarding the whistleblowers posted

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Think about it, out of the hundreds if not thousands of people that would of had to been involved in the conspiracy, not one has come forward with hard evidence- not personal opinion or conjecture, any slip of evidence, something as basic as a fraction of the paper trail it would of created. Within that number of conspirators, someone would of broken ranks by now to capitalise on the millions if not tens of millions they would make from it. None have of the demolition experts who supposedly set the charges, none of the emergency services or military who supposedly knew about it before, not one of the contractors who supposedly covered up a he evidence afterwards, not one disenfranchised civil servant who would of been involved in the planning. NOBODY, NOTHING, NOT A JOT

Whistleblower to what exactly?

JHJ

I'm trying to deal with facts, rather than wasting my time with knob ends of the Internet

Quite the funniest thing I've read on the Internet for some time 🙂

"When they attempted to leave there was a series of explosions inside the building"

This has been identified as the building being struck by debris from one of the falling towers (there's a reason the truthers always use Jennings' account, as he's the only person who mentioned explosions- Hess was with him at the time and says there were none, but that the building was impacted and shook, which could be confused for explosions). The clincher is that they know from the timeline that both were in the building when the other tower fell, but Jennings didn't notice any other impacts- even if there were explosions, there's no way he could have missed the tower falling. So the only explanation is that it's the same event.

Can we move on to chemtrails now?

I even put a disclaimer up regarding the whistleblowers posted:

You didn’t post any whistleblowers though so everyone is confused.

Was the disclaimer.

“Here is a list of people who aren’t whistleblowers”

I'm trying to deal with facts

You wouldnt know a fact if it walked up to you with “FACT” tattooed on its face and bit you on the arse 🙄

Chemtrails - they are full of chemicals that make you gullible.

Isn’t the statistic that something like 30% of people in the Middle East and North Africa believe 9/11 was a joint operation by the Israeli and American secret service in order to make “Muslims look bad and give them an excuse to bomb/invade”

How many people would need to be in on flying some planes into a building?

If it wasn't a controlled demolition then not many.

There are some good 9/11 conspiracy vids about. My personal faves are the 'missile' on the bottom of the plane visible as it crashes and the whole phone call thing. ie people phoning home when it shouldn't have been possible.

But Amwrica does what it wants re foreign policy anyway why would they need to go to these lengths?

There are some good 9/11 conspiracy vids about

Good in what way ?

Missile one debunked 🙁 lol

That’s why I asked.

The conspiracy vids are all “good” until you actually fact check what they are lying about.

Aren't all conspiracy theories just conformation bias anyway?

They are for the people taken in by them.

They are massive money makers for the people trading off them such as multi millionaire Alex Jones/Prison Planet.

Have you noticed how it is that you never see a sasquatch and the twin towers in the same room together?

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Bigfoot was piloting the drone aircraft that struck the buildings because they were exposing the round earth lie.

Some of you may find this (lengthy) piece interesting:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind/534231/

I only hope that the UK decides to make some substantial U-turns as we seem always to be heading 'that way'. Pre-referendum sadly seemed to mark us out as accelerating further 'that way'.

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I'm still struggling to figure out who does crop circles.

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Some of you may find this piece interesting:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind/534231/

Kurt Anderson, the author of that piece was on Sam Harris' podcast recently where he discussed this subject in depth. Very interesting.

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I'm still struggling to figure out who does crop circles.
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mowing-Devil ]It is the mowing devil[/url] He has been around for a long time

@Neal yes good is the wrong word and to be clear I get no pleasure from thinking about or seeing people die.

Enjoyable as an art form? Interesting as a cultural phenomenom? I cant think of a better way of putting what I get out of vids like this.

The best conspiracy theory is of course the one which suggests that conspiracy theories are put out there to distract people from the real truth.

sn’t the statistic that something like 30% of people in the Middle East and North Africa believe 9/11 was a joint operation by the Israeli and American secret service in order to make “Muslims look bad and give them an excuse to bomb/invade”

30% eh? So a minority?