Goodness me, is this thread still going?
Well as regards the commission report, let's not forget:
The 9/11 Commission - The myth that the 9/11 commission report represents an adequate investigation into the events of 9/11 is perhaps best [b]exposed by the commissioners themselves, 6 out of 10 of whom have questioned the commission and its conclusions personally (namely Kean and Hamilton, Kerrey, Roemer, Lehman and Cleland). Commission co-chairman Thomas Kean once famously remarked that the Commission was "set up to fail." Commission members considered bringing criminal charges against Pentagon officials who had deliberately lied to them about the military's complete lack of response on that day. One of the commissioners, Max Cleland, even resigned because the commission had been "deliberately compromised by the president of the United States."[/b]
On the points regarding whistleblowers, the vitriol displayed on this one insignificant little MTB chat forum towards any form of reasonable scepticism
To be fair, if there has been any vitriol, it’s not been aimed at anyone displaying “reasonable scepticism”
It’s been aimed at the sort of people that repeatedly say “yeah but...,. Blah” whenever they are challenged with actual facts to counter their pet YouTube vid.
Just to clarify, this is the president of the united states they're referring to...
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The guy on the left?
Eamon Holmes bit far fetched even for you JHJ
No ones provided an explanation as to where the debris from the collapse of ALL the wtc towers went.
Yes, it may have taken eight months worth of trucks to haul the debris out, but there were a lot of buildings involved.
I've yet to read the Judy woods book, (I'm holding out for the kindle edition!), but I believe that she mentions trucks arriving with dirt to 'dampen down' the fires, and then hauling it out to be replaced with fresh dirt...
No ones provided an explanation as to where the debris from the collapse of ALL the wtc towers went.
I can no longer tell what is a piss take and what some folk actually believe
the proof of this is apparently there was no debris from the 25 seconds of my life I wont get back from that linkThe towers were processed with the weapon and turned to dust from within for a period before they collapsed. Watch steel turn to dust before your eyes.
Some of this shit make god sound credible, well researched and rational
The towers were processed with the weapon and turned to dust from within for a period before they collapsed. Watch steel turn to dust before your eyes.
There's something definitely not quite right about the way they collapse; watch them. You'll see they fall straight down like a controlled demolition, you can even see what looks like small explosions/charges being detonated.
But you did say no one had debunked the various claims you listed.
the video said that, all the comments in that list were derived from the video.
But when people pointed out it wasn’t true you argued against them.
we woouldn't have got to 19 pages if someone didn't argue.
It was obvious no-one was watching the video, I was trying to spark some interest in watching it.
I think you misunderstand my questions. I am merely try to ask you for the data to inform any probabilistic calculations. So when you ask me to provide different modes and mechanisms, you miss the point
No ones provided an explanation as to where the debris from the collapse of ALL the wtc towers went.
I think you're onto something. Maybe the buildings were never really there to begin with. I mean, have any of you actually SEEN them, with your own eyes?
SHIT the mind control ray guns even got to youyou can even see what looks like small explosions/charges being detonated.
Clearly they turn to dust you cannot explode DUST that's why flour mills are so safe !!
Goodness me, is this thread still going?Well as regards the commission report, let's not forget:
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What would you like us to take from that? I fail to see how it undermines any of the previous issues discussed so far.
Or are you trying to disprove science with politics again.
At risk of sounding tedious, no one on here has managed to provide an alternative explanation for the events on the day of 9/11 that’s has managed to stand up to the most basic level of scrutiny. Therefore the official explanation remains the only plausible account.
It was obvious no-one was watching the video, I was trying to spark some interest in watching it.
That’s becuase they are almost always bollocks.
As I said above, people have picked points from it you quoted at random and refuted them easily. How does that change your view that the video is compelling?
There's something definitely not quite right about the way they collapse; watch them. You'll see they fall straight down like a controlled demolition, you can even see what looks like small explosions/charges being detonated.
Read through the previous 18 pages and you’ll be given all the information you need to see that your assertion is incorrect.
the vitriol displayed on this one insignificant little MTB chat forum toward[b]s any form of reasonable scepticism[/b]
Not seen much reasonable scepticism here at all
davidtaylforth
There's something definitely not quite right about the way they collapse; watch them. You'll see they fall straight down like a controlled demolition, you can even see what looks like small explosions/charges being detonated.
Seriously, can we stop with this crap now!
(buildings fall down when they either are structurally weakened by a controlled demolition, or when they are structurally weakened by fire, impact, corrosion or any other factor) The reason you think it "looks like a controlled demolition" is simply because that is all you have ever seen. How many people have seen a building collapse from anything else? (earth quakes are of course the main thing that knocks down buildings, but those building are not structurally weakened first before the fall down due to massive lateral displacement)
Obviously stuff gets ejected sideways, principally the air that was inside the building (forming what looks to morons "puffs of dust from explosion" given that what "explosions" actual are is moving pressure waves though, duh, air!
Consider one tower
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110 floors, 63.5m x 63.5m x 3m per floor, so that's (approximately) 1.3 Million cubic meters of air in each tower. As the towers fell, that air had to go somewhere. Have a go at moving 1.3M m3 of air in 15 sec, and then tell me "ooh, what a surprise, some stuff got blown around".....
Look at the plan, like most high rise buildings, the WTC towers have horizontal floors punctured by lift shafts and stair wells. It's not in the least bit surprising that air got pushed down the building at high velocity as it collapsed, and when it found a way out (broken windows, broken structure etc) it produced lateral puffs of debris
@maxtorque. The towers were 95% air so yes, there was a fair bit inside the building!
Incidentally that’s also the reason for the relatively small amount of debris compared to expectation
Maxtorque, I can't tell with some of the others on this thread but I'm pretty sure davidtaylforth isn't being serious. 😉
More interesting is the lack of markings on those planes and the extra bits on the underside of the fuselage that were similar to those seen on military remote control planes, and the eye witneses saying no commercial markings :
go from 2.10
and at 4.50 where the engine found is from the wrong plane type to be a united flight.
And as to the commissions report being "incomplete" that's because they weren't asked to report on stupid, impossible or irrelevant claims.
For example, go read this Hillsbrough tragedy report:
[url= http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/report/ ]http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/report/[/url]
Notice how incomplete that report it. At no point in the report do they even consider the fact that the tragedy was caused by aliens, or another bunch of conspirators! I mean, how lax were the report authors?
The fact is this: The WTC attack was watched by millions of people, who saw planes hit the towers, the towers burn and collapse. The Report (rightly) was focused on understanding how that occurred, both as an explanation to the events of that terrible day and to see if anything could be learned that could be used in future large building design to mitigate against similar events.
By starting, encouraging or championing stupid conspiracy theories, those idiotic theorists are rubbing the names of the thousands of innocent victims of the 911 attacked through the mud, and trivializing there deaths......
TurnerGuy - Member
More interesting is the lack of markings on those planes and the extra bits on the underside of the fuselage that
Were debunked pages ago, I assume it's interesting as it implies they either invented the flights or switched them, if so where are the original passengers, how much were air traffic control paid to miss the swap etc. Your looking at tiny details and missing the huge bits you have no answers for.
the top 60 floors of the south tower on the 8th and 9th sept were on a 36 hour power down. fact. Pretty disruptive for such high profile tennants. The guy who reported this had worked there for 3 years prior and had never had this while he was there, and he asked colleagues who had been there longer and they said the same. Workers in overalls were seen coming and going.
must just be coincidence. 8)
Seriously, can we stop with this crap now!
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Hadn't been on since Sunday, saw this was up to nineteen pages so presumed we must've started from scratch again.
Thanks for providing an explanation though, I can remove my tin foil hat now 😉
Apart from 9/11 has America ever done any other false flag operations?
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If you believe this sheep worrier, Sandy Hook, Vegas, anywhere there's been a mass shooting in the last 20 years.......oh, and water makes frogs gay or something
If any of the "false flags" actually happened, then why let the nutters put forward the ideas?
I'm not reading all that.
Can someone just provide a list of forum users who believe in this conspiracy theory so I know who to add onto the 'Completely and utterly hatstand' list.
Ta.
and at 4.50 where the engine found is from the wrong plane type to be a united flight.
No it isn’t, that’s been debunked. Go do some research.
The rest of the video is crap as well.
if so where are the original passengers
1) landed elsewhere and killed/or given the option to live with a new identity and a big wedge of cash on the condition they always keep their mouth shut or death would ensue. Entirely possible.
...on this, if this did happen? if you were in their situation, would you have chosen instant death?
Hmm, that's strange.
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Workers in overalls? Wow.
Anyone care to explain?
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the top 60 floors of the south tower on the 8th and 9th sept were on a 36 hour power down. fact.
Incorrect, and debunked. You do know the observation deck was open dont you?
You can’t be a truther by repeating lies
Most of the buildings collapsed into the multi-story basement that extended across the entire plaza, not just under each building. You only have to look at photos of the cleared site and compare those to the plan photos of the site with building and plaza outlines overlaid.
Judy Wood is some very kind of special, although there is a rumour that she was the CIA chief LSD tester back in the good old days.
If any of the "false flags" actually happened, then why let the nutters put forward the ideas?
They are False False Flags, to get people used to the idea that False Flag claims are false, so that discoveries of actual False Flags are not believed.
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1) landed elsewhere and killed/or given the option to live with a new identity and a big wedge of cash on the condition they always keep their mouth shut or death would ensue. Entirely possible....on this, if this did happen? if you were in their situation, would you have chosen instant death?
So we are now adding in bus drives, documents makers and about 1000 people who have just appeared on Sep 12th who will have finger prints and dna on file who will have no previous medical records etc. None of them have made contact with their families, none have gone to wiki leaks. A simple donation test from a family member would prove this so only 1 is needed to come forward.
Anyway you just increased your conspiracy membership to a couple of thousand at least. How much is a lifetime of silence worth?
The words entirely possible are probably true. The chance of it happening and being kept secret all these years is near in impossible. You would assume all these people are in some sort of watch list in case they make a run for it but they never appear in the snowdon files etc.
TurnerGuy - Member
More interesting is the lack of markings on those planes and the extra bits on the underside of the fuselage that were similar to those seen on military remote control planes, and the eye witneses saying no commercial markings :
Ok, identify any commercial aircraft flying at full speed, in bright light, from a glimps of a second or two. I live under a number of flight-paths of commercial air traffic, and even fairly low and slow-flying planes are almost impossible to identify by eye, without binoculars, and the video footage taken of the 9/11 aircraft will be of pretty low resolution by modern standards, with sunlight reflecting from smooth, shiny surfaces any carrier markings will be to all and intents and purposes impossible to identify.
And why, exactly, would these hypothetical ‘drone’ airliners have ‘extra bits’ on the underside of the fuselage?
After all, there’s an entire, empty passenger compartment that can be filled with any damned thing, why stick something on the outside? The only similar aircraft that do are military versions of civilian aircraft that are used for ELINT operations, or forwards fire control, and they’re far too valuable to be used for something like this.
Which brings us back to a remote control ‘drone’, which then begs the question, what happened to the original commercial airliners and the several hundred people in them?
Sorry, but I’ve always considered you to be one of the most rational and considered thinkers on here, I truly can’t believe you take this conspiracy bullshit seriously!
But where did all the debris from the wtc buildings go?
Notice the ambulance parked outside the lobby of wtc 1. Completely undamaged.
The testimony of the fdny workers who had been trapped on level three doesn't make sense, or maybe they were extremely lucky.
97? floors, fixtures, fittings, desks, filing cabinets and porcelain loos came crashing down on top of them, but they emerged (much to their amazement), to a clear blue sky.
I know nothing about demolishing tower blocks, but I once took the bus past the remains of a skinny 30 storey tower block, and the debris was stacked pretty high.
The collapse of the wtc buildings hardly moved the seismograph. Looked more like a bout of mass flatulence.
greatbeardedone - MemberBut where did all the debris from the wtc buildings go?
I'll quote myself as you can't be bothered to read posts.
neilwheel - MemberMost of the buildings collapsed into the multi-story basement that extended across the entire plaza, not just the space under each building. You only have to look at photos of the cleared site and compare those to the plan photos of the site with building and plaza outlines overlaid and apply some logic.
Judy Wood is some very kind of special, although there is a rumour that she was the CIA chief LSD tester back in the good old days.
The collapse of the wtc buildings hardly moved the seismograph
Which shows what?
I know nothing about demolishing tower blocks, but I once took the bus past the remains of a skinny 30 storey tower block, and the debris was stacked pretty high.
A lot of the WTC was made from glass, which as we know is transparent, and is difficult to see unless it catches the light at a certain angle. I guess when you've seen it on TV/Youtube, the light hasn't been shining correctly.
The collapse of the wtc buildings hardly moved the seismograph. Looked more like a bout of mass flatulence.
Interesting, seismologists have provided some useful insight into the events of 9/11 but I don’t believe they ever suggested the data was incorrect. What would you have expected to see and why?
Just over magnitude 2 according to [url= https://voices.nationalgeographic.org/2016/09/09/a-morning-that-shook-the-world-the-seismology-of-911/ ]This piece[/url]
The point about the seismograph reading is another "fact" supporting the "giant death ray vaporized the towers" argument.
I guess this thread is one way to out the forum loons
No but that "fact" in no way proves that this scenario did indeed happenif this did happen? if you were in their situation, would you have chosen instant death?
Lets put it another way
if this did happen and you were in their situation, would you have chosen to NEVER EVER come fwd or ever contact your family ever again would every single pne of the people involved in this have done so? You think that is credible that none of them with kids, wives, partners parents ever wanted to speak to them ever again - dont be so daft. What next did the MIB use that pen thing on them?
FFS this is ****ing ludicrous debate
They are False False Flags, to get people used to the idea that False Flag claims are false, so that discoveries of actual False Flags are not believed.
This is a blatant false false flag therby proving your point 😉
