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Watching Flannery's tackle again it's far, far worse.
Still, here's hoping for the second half! France look very strong, but still beatable.
Keith Wood agrees with me...! (Now he was one hell of a player. A true great!)
Retrospective punishment, Darcy? Sort of a rugby karma? Yeah, I can see that coming as well. France look rather good to me, like a team just beginning to come together, with a lot more to come.
At least until an hour's time, we're still in with a chance Flashy...which is more than can be said for your lot. There's still time to congratulate us on the other one. I don't think you were able to bring yourself to do it last year.
Can't remember, was probably sulking about Wellies missing that last kick! 😉
Right, another beer and the second half beckons!
The 'Raging Potato' looks more like frozen chips!
I can, and you didn't. 😛
Jeebus, France piling even more pressure. You know they're playing well when the SdF crowd start singing.
It never rains but it pours
Oh dear...this is getting painful.
Handball!
forward pass
Can we have a bye against France please? Really don't want to see that....
Oh well, that was what i'd call a beating...to say the least. France were outstanding...everywhere, but their defence was awesome. Ireland didn't help themselves by dropping the ball all over the park, but even if they'd held on to it, they'd still have lost. France knew they were facing the best the home nations have to offer, and they chewed us up.
Oh well, just the triple crown left...pah!
I guess, if we have to be second best in the NH this year, I don't mind being second best to those boys.
Aye, France were excellent in defence. Very strong.
Darcy, re second best. What's that line about chicken counting? 😉 Or the one about falling and pride? 😉
France just look too good to me, though. Unless they do a massive Gallic shrug, it's looking like a French win overall, surely.
I think the only chance of beating them now is to play a very negative game & try to frustrate them enough into giving points away
French very good today and made Ireland look 2nd rate.
On a serious note I really hope Thom Evans injury isn't as serious as it looked. I was hopeful when they said it was a leg injury but on hearing it's a serious back injury my hopes and wishes are with him and speeding him to a full recovery!
[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/scottish/8513669.stm ]News of Thom Evans[/url]
Scotland winger Thom Evans is feared to have suffered a serious back injury in the 31-24 Six Nations defeat by Wales.The 24-year-old Glasgow player was carried from the Millennium Stadium pitch on a stretcher following lengthy treatment in the first half.
Scotland head coach Andy Robinson revealed: "He is currently in hospital with a back injury and we think it is very serious.
"It is a big concern at the moment. Thom's parents are with him."
I hope he's OK. Never want to hear of bad injuries like this.
That wee sh**e Davies, rapidly becoming the humping Ian Wright of rugby.At least Andy Nicoll tries to remain on the fence.Davies CV;was brilliant for Wales for two years, then took the league shilling during Wales hour of need.Once Union went pro,he then came back,slow and crap(but richer thanks to the WRU.) Can't they find anybody who actually has a union pedigree? Still,a Scotland team that is still very much a work in progress showed just how much of one Wales are.
Darcy, re second best. What's that line about chicken counting? Or the one about falling and pride?
Aye Flashy...I'm only winding you up really...we're all second best behind that display today and given what France showed, on sober reflection, it was still a drubbing. It's hard to find any positives in the game for Ireland. I guess that even when it looked like France were going to win (that would have been towards the end of the first half), Ireland still played running rugby, still tried to put phases together and didn't kick every ball that came their way. But for the brilliant French defense, Ireland could have scored more tries and probably would have against a weaker side. And ah, but for the bounce of an oval ball....D'arcy may well have had that try early in the game and quietened the crowd down. Actually was it just me, or could he have waited another split second before kicking over the full back...would have given him that extra yard of decision making in the run for the line...ifs and buts don't score tries though.
Whatever about Healy's yellow card...Ireland looked like they were going to ride it out and maybe get away with three points. They were given a penalty for a deliberate knock-on and then Flannery had his moment of madness - the penalty was reversed, Ireland went from the front foot onto the back, and the whole shebang resulted in France's first try. It was around then that the Matthew said there was nothing between the sides, and up till then, there wasn't. As ever, tackles look worse in slow motion but I reckon a wendyballer would have been sent off for that. He should be cited and punished...thankfully, we're not short of hookers.
You can't simply walk away heads down...as Wales showed today. And hey, they lifted their spirits a little int he second half and at least did cross the line.
Like I said, a quality game between the best two sides in the 6N 😛
CaptainFlashheart - MemberNews of Thom Evans
Scotland winger Thom Evans is feared to have suffered a serious back injury in the 31-24 Six Nations defeat by Wales.
The 24-year-old Glasgow player was carried from the Millennium Stadium pitch on a stretcher following lengthy treatment in the first half.
Scotland head coach Andy Robinson revealed: "He is currently in hospital with a back injury and we think it is very serious.
"It is a big concern at the moment. Thom's parents are with him."
I hope he's OK. Never want to hear of bad injuries like this.
I was very concerned when I first heard how serious it was - but at least the report says that he's moving his arms and legs and that they're hoping for a speedy recovery.
I hope he recovers quickly and can get back to playing soon.
"Thom Evans has sustained damage to his neck that has required surgery."
"He is moving his arms and legs and we are hoping for a speedy recovery."
Great news, hope he continues to make a full recovery.
O.K. real analysis people. Basically the French to win! They really took the pi$$ out or of the home team today. I know Ireland's weaknesses and O'Gara is one of them, a real light weight! But facts aside le'francais look unassailable!
First of all - looks like good news on Thom Evans. Got to be the most important thing!
France look great. They beat (or at least matched) Ireland in every facet of the game. They will probably have a bad game at some point (they generally do!). That aside I cannot see them not getting a Grand Slam!
CaptainFlashheart - MemberRetrospective punishment, Darcy? Sort of a rugby karma? Yeah, I can see that coming as well. France look rather good to me, like a team just beginning to come together, with a lot more to come.
That's why Wales were allowed to play on after 80 mins. Karma comeback after the Italy debacle 3 years ago (When the dipstick of a ref said there was time for a lineout and then blew up!)
When did Andy Robinson change from being a scowling back row forward into a grumpy accountant?
Two good (depending on perspective!) games yesterday, now we have the Italy - England skill fest to look forward to. 😀
The games in a fortnight look pretty special and could be the deciders - England v Ireland, Wales v France, after that home games for Ireland and France!
Will France bring yesterdays form to the Millenium Stadium? Surely a one-off? ([i]PLEASE NO!![/i])
Thom Evans, Chris Patterson and Rory Lamont out for the rest of the 6N at least.
Bu66er. Scotland just don't have the strength in depth to afford that attritional rate. We looked good with the first choice backs.I don't think I have ever been so fed up after a game.
Looks like Evans will be OK which is good news
Yep, encouraging news re Evans.
IdleJohn, a good point there! RJ asked the ref if there was time to restart it yesterday, so I suppose it is karma!
Oh, and I fear very much about France....Very much indeed. We're going to be spanked senseless.
glad about evans.
Duckman not sure what your problem is with Jonathan Davis, the bbc with people like Moore and Davis obviously want people to show some passion which Davis does. As for looking for someone who has a union pedigree. FFS he will have forgotten more about rugby in either code than Nicol will have ever even considered.
But no your right he never did anything for wales
a_a, you forgot that Jiffy is also an accomplished broadcaster (in both languages) as well as being able to offer the BBC coverage of both codes. But, let's just say he was rubbish instead, as he clearly was, wasn't he? *Joke*
I have no issue with the restart. However the ball should have gone straight into the stand - and it would have been game over - there is precedent - Neil Jenkins against south africa for one and other cases. You do not continue after time is up iunless its a penalty, freekick or mark and none of those would have applied.
(When the dipstick of a ref said there was time for a lineout and then blew up!)
But he didn't - what the player asked was " is there time to kick to touch" which there was. There wasn't time to take the lineout.
oh and my fav, davis try against the then world champs
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8apkd_welsh-tries-rugby_sport
on at about 1.20
TJ, it's time to let it go. Mop up the tears in your sporran. You lost! 😉
I still reckon the Scots have it in them to beat England or Ireland. I really do.
I'm not sure about this kicking into touch, I think the ref would have blown a pen had they deliberately kicked to touch, like deliberately throwing the ball out of play, we need a ref to confirm. Its certainly aginst the spirit of the laws. Would have been entertaining watching 1/2p kick for goal from 1/2 way
Good point, AA. Deliberatly putting the ball out of play is a penalty. From then, a tap and go, drive on downfield before Adam Jones dropped a goal from outside the 22, surely? 8)
Dunno about Ireland - England for sure.
Are wales the comeback kids?
As I say there is precedent for putting the kickoff into touch and the game ending. Blair was going for the win hence the high risk kick
Blair was going for the win
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13 against 15, with a resurgent Wales having all the game, and you really think there was any even slightly remote possibility of a Scottish win?
Time to let it go, TJ, really. Get over it. You lost.
I agree with Duckman in that Davies was a shadow of himself when he returned to Union, but he was a legend in both codes well before that. It says something that League regards him so highly as well....I couldn't stand him for years, but that was because he was a Turk, and I was young.....
TJ, the Scots fitness dropped off dramatically in the last 10-15 minutes, possibly because of the men sent off. The defence for Shane's last try was completely shoddy even for 13 men.
CFH, obviously France will be huge favourites for the Cardiff game, but I seriously don't think they'll be able to reproduce that form, especially as they'll be away from home.
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Still,a Scotland team that is still very much a work in progress showed just how much of one Wales are.
Load of crap - Scotland aren't complete, but they've haven't got much else they can do. They've used pretty all their players, got a decent coach, etc, etc. If you use the phrase 'work in progress' that applies to every team this year, bar perhaps Ireland. Scotland are playing at the level you'd expect of that team with those players.
I could just as easily say that Wales won playing badly which shows just how poor the Scottish team is.
I'm not sure about this kicking into touch, I think the ref would have blown a pen had they deliberately kicked to touch, like deliberately throwing the ball out of play, we need a ref to confirm.
Nah, would have been scrum to Wales or kick again. Different from handling in straight into touch. After all, did Jones not spend most of the match kicking it deliberately into touch, as his team were toiling?
BTW just saw replay of Godman incident for first time. Think Byrne went down like a Prem footballer{well he has got the fake tan and haircut} with no contact.
AA and CFH can crow all they like but no other team in this championship would crumble like that against a distinctly average Wales team. And most refs would wilt under pressure from that Cardiff crowd, but that clown's interpretations of the scrum rules, and the Godman incident was a joke. Wales ar sh1te but won. Well done, now let's watch this game and shut up about fricking Wales...
AA and CFH can crow all they like
I'm not crowing, wales were ****in beyond shite.
Nah, would have been scrum to Wales or kick again. Different from handling in straight into touch. After all, did Jones not spend most of the match kicking it deliberately into touch, as his team were toiling?
Its not the same though is it, kick it straight out its an option to the defenders kick again, scrum on halfway or lineout.
Whatever is the case its true to say Scotland shouldnt have dollyed the ball down the middle to Lee Byrne.
having watched the second half agin, couldnt stomach the first, the ref did say one last play to the scotland kicker so I think he wouldnt have accepted a boot to touch. Clancy is a ****in clown though so who knows.
13 against 15, with a resurgent Wales having all the game, and you really think there was any even slightly remote possibility of a Scottish win?
No I don't - but that is why Blair went for the high risk kick off. Numpty
It would have been game over if the kickoff had gone into touch - thems the rules. Its either a retake or a scrum - but the time was up so no time for either. Its happened many times before
C'mon Ingerland, make my boss cry a bit more!
Tell you what, after 1min 17 of this game, Brian Moore ahould not be on the telly. He would hav spoilt ven that last ten minutes in Cardiff. Long-winded, splutterring,overly technical, obviously biased and generally irritating.
THERE ARE ALWAYS TWO TEAMS IN A GAME OF RUGBY.
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MussEd - MemberTHERE ARE ALWAYS TWO TEAMS IN A GAME OF RUGBY.
That's something that the BBC often manage to forget anyway. Being in work at the mo, I haven't seen any of the build up, but I can bet that the vast majority of it was about England, with just a brief mention of their opponents.........now who was it this week.
Although I was pretty drunk by the time the 10pm news was on last night, I don't think that they mentioned the Irish game at all? I may be wrong though. hic!
Avoiding this thread now, as I can't watch the [i]Italian[/i] 😆 game until after 4pm....
WTF is going on? Jonny "Other rugby players are available" Wilkinson missing pretty easy kicks?