[Closed] 49mph in a 40mph limit

roadcraft

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Oh yeah..! 😀

If you couldn't see the camera van until after you crested the hill this means this is a blind crest/summit. I wouldn't be speeding towards a blind crest... that way lies danger (head on collisions, fallen cyclists, dead bodies, carnage etc.).

A good rule would be to never exceed any speed that does not allow you to safely stop in the distance you can see to be clear on your side of the road.

there is a good reason for speed limits in industrial areas, if everyone was doing 50 - 60 then the lorrys would never get out of junctions

Am I the only one worried that the OP needs to concentrate less on speeding and more on earning a reasonably salary?

😉

Yes, the rest of us class £600 a week as more than reasonable.

Ah a disguised humble brag.

Drac - Moderator

Luckily that's not the case.

Not exclusively, but routinely.

If people are amazing machines able to judge so well then it's very puzzling me as to why I've pulled so many dead or dying ones out of cars.

Not puzzling at all. People cease to use their abilities to judge in favour of fiddling with their phone/sat nav/radio et cetera.
It's almost as if people have lost their sense of responsibility whilst crashing within the speed limit... 💡

funkmasterp - Member

I'm in complete agreement with this. I'd happily take a refresher every five years. Say £100 for time with a qualified driving examiner. I think people need to remember that driving is a privilege, not a right.

I've already mentioned the excellent RoSPA driving course (although it's three years not five), and someone even linked to the RoSPA website.

Unfortunately I'd imagine the number of posters here that will take it up will be approx. equal to the square root of **** all.

*Prove me wrong.

*Misquoting for cheap shots will incur abuse. ➡

If only there were gizmos on say lampposts, that automatically limited engine speed to conform with decided top speed, as vehicle drivers drove by... 😉

We would all be paying more VAT and/or other taxes to make up the governemnt money shortfall! 😆

me wrong

Yes you are 😉

Traffic ahead of me hitting brake lights, plumes of smoke, accident noises and the ubiquitous wheel bouncing up the road would all indicate a problem ahead. Bird singing and lambkins frollicking in the central reservation indicated all was well.

If you drop to 10mph on a hairpin bend, you're more of a danger than a pissed footballer in a Bentley

Wow, it's a shame you got the fine because you really, really need a driver improvement course.

The issue with driver refresh courses or improvement courses of making it worth people's while.

I hold D1 and D1E (minibus and trailer), tested. Like pcv or hgv tests its a higher standard of driving, tested for an hour. I took IAM training as well, and worked training or drivers at the outdoor centre, with retired traffic officer.

My insurers are not interested in any of this, and never have. The colour of my car according to them is more important than hours of additional driver training and tested skills.

I was surprised that any business park has a 40mph limit, they're usually 30 or less. But mention of the crest suggests the dual carriageway that runs parallel to the business park? I think I know exactly where you were!

Go on, try it. Chewkw did and failed miserably. So much of Warrington looks the same, it's a horrible place to drive around.
Wow, indeed, bails. 😛

Birchwood?

If you drop to 10mph on a hairpin bend

Google map link to the place you're referring to, please.

We now know what bearnecessities does for a living.
Extra points for car make and colour. 😛

Google map link to the place you're referring to, please.

So many excuses for speeding, it is like the old days with Safespeed!

Even down to the assumptions made about those who disagree with their idealogy!

£600 pw is £30k pa so only just over the average earnings, although the new fines will really only impact PAYE as anyone working for themselves will just 'frig' their payslip.

The issue with driver refresh courses or improvement courses of making it worth people's while.

Surely the benefit is from being less likely to incur higher insurance costs following a crash or speeding fine. Though not as up front and obvious as an insurance discount.

But driving history is a more accurate guide in the long term anyway. Anyone (or almost anyone) can pass an advanced driving course and still choose to drive badly.

£600 pw is £30k pa so only just over the average earnings, although the new fines will really only impact PAYE as anyone working for themselves will just 'frig' their payslip.

Didn't they give you any kind of breakdown of how the fine was calculated?

If it's means-based then I'd definitely want to check the figures!

Does "growing up" mean making up silly shit to post on the internet? If so I think I'll pass.

Does "growing up" mean making up silly shit to post on the internet? If so I think I'll pass.

Funny thread.

I'm booked to do an Advance Driving Course in late March, should be a giggle.
I'm doing it in the main because I think I drive really conservative, this should prove whether my impression is the same as the instructor.

Even down to the assumptions made about those who disagree with their idealogy!

Yeah, people assume I'm a nervous driver because I like to take it easy.

If I pass you on your bike, you'd be happy that I drive the way I do.

I hold D1 and D1E (minibus and trailer), tested. Like pcv or hgv tests its a higher standard of driving, tested for an hour.

I hold those too, came as part of the regular test I took.

Anyone (or almost anyone) can pass an advanced driving course and still choose to drive badly.

I think on the whole, if I'm to share roads with people driving badly I'd rather they were ones who had passed an advanced test rather than simply inept.

matt_outandabout - Member

The issue with driver refresh courses or improvement courses of making it worth people's while.

I hold D1 and D1E (minibus and trailer), tested. Like pcv or hgv tests its a higher standard of driving, tested for an hour. I took IAM training as well, and worked training or drivers at the outdoor centre, with retired traffic officer.

My insurers are not interested in any of this, and never have. The colour of my car according to them is more important than hours of additional driver training and tested skills.

Your premium isn't just about your skill as a driver, it's about the likelihood of a claim.

I guess there aren't enough drivers with extra training around for the insurers to look at reducing premiums on that basis (I presume you have shopped around for that?).

slightly off topic, but I had a French Rozzer point a machine gun at me last week for having my phone in my hand whilst in the car (sat stationary in a massive Eurotunnel customs queue)

I normally use the 'are their trousers tucked into their boots' guide as to whether there is any scope for arguing the toss, but quickly decided he was 'right' in that instance

I think on the whole, if I'm to share roads with people driving badly I'd rather they were ones who had passed an advanced test rather than simply inept.

Agreed. On average they should be better drivers. But it doesn't necessarily translate to a lower insurance risk. Attitude is as important as ability. Given the choice between an advanced driver with a couple of SP30s and a crash over the last 5 yrs and a bog standard driving test driver who was crash and points free I think insurers would assess the 2nd as the lower risk.

Maybe insurers have found that the advanced driver test doesn't translate to a lower claim history?

Mrs Funkmaster used to be an advanced driving instructor and has done RoSPA, Diamond advance and another driving course I can't remember. Her insurance went up a bit the year after she took them. Made me giggle.

sat stationary in a massive Eurotunnel customs queue

Probably more concerned with you videoing or photographing the facilities and processes. That could have ended very badly for you. If it's like our Border Control where there are lots of signs saying no mobile use on the approach to the checkpoint.

the time it takes to get anywhere near the actual border post from where I was parked I could have captured every detail in an oil painting and had notes engraved around the outside by a team of medieval monks.......but wasn't about to start arguing with him on these points

[i]slightly off topic, but I had a French Rozzer point a machine gun at me last week for having my phone in my hand whilst in the car (sat stationary in a massive Eurotunnel customs queue)[/I]

It's because you're a commoner, anyone with any standing would've been hands free 😉

How about we simply fine everyone £100 for each mph over the posted speed limit?
Allow 10% margin of error for Italian speedometers ,and to discourage speedo gazing ( fanaarrrr )
Then 43mph in a 30mph limit = £1000 fine
90mph on the motorway = £1300

This surely would discourage excessive speed, cant pay ? No problem sir, just hand over your driving licence for 1 week per MPH over the 10% posted limit instead.
Then, for example 38mph in a 30 limit = 5 weeks of public transport.
82mph on a single carriageway A road = 16 week ban.

Why penalise all those millions of people who have safely broken the law today? No one got hurt.

I really don't understand the speeding issue, as proven it isn't speed that is the main cause of road accidents, but 5h1t driving.

Put a bit more effort into this and you'd save more injuries and deaths. And tbh since we have pretty much the safest roads (and have had for years/decades of any comparable country) I don't see it as an issue.

[quote=captainsasquatch ]Why penalise all those millions of people who have safely broken the law today? No one got hurt.

I shall remember that one to use in my defence if I get caught wandering around the local school with my automatic rifle.

Why penalise all those millions of people who have safely broken the law today? No one got hurt.

By safely broken the law I take it you actually mean not getting caught? Nobody would get hurt if I broke in to your shed and half inched your bikes, still wouldn't make it okay though would it? Or would you be happy as long as I didn't get caught?

People saying shit driving is the issue and not speed, surely shit driving at high speeds is even worse?

I shall remember that one to use in my defence if I get caught wandering around the local school with my automatic rifle.

Because we give everyone ( pretty much ) a driving licence. Its an unfortunate fact that not everyone has the same mental capacity , alertness, concentration levels, and commmon sense as you and I.
The law and speed limits are not IQ assesed therefore have to be posted and policed to the "lowest half-wit teenager in a works van who , after digging holes all day is intent on face-timing his mates to arrange a mid week drinkathon, whilst smoking a spliff" levels of safety
Thats why.

[quote=captainsasquatch ]It's not iilegal to take a car into a public space in the UK.
How many legal gun owners in the USA habitually shoot innocents.

It's illegal to break the speed limit, which is what you were apparently doing "without hurting anybody", hence a fine comparison.
How many legal gun owners in the USA manage to own their guns without hurting anybody? How many innocents killed on the UK roads every year?

BTW I reckon the DM is on your side, not mine, if you were attempting to imply anything by that.

BTW I reckon the DM is on your side, not mine, if you were attempting to imply anything by that.

The law and speed limits are not IQ assesed therefore have to be posted and policed to the "lowest half-wit teenager in a works van who , after digging holes all day is intent on face-timing his mates to arrange a mid week drinkathon, whilst smoking a spliff" levels of safety