TJ I've walked along the side of that road and it's a very unpleasant and quite scary experience how fast/close people zoom past you, never mind the loud noise that bikes make through one of the most beautiful and wild-feeling bits of the country.
There are also sections where the dips to the side or vegetation could easily conceal a deer that you couldn't see until too late.
But your desire to speed is very important obviously and must override all other considerations.
And yes you're a hypocrite, because one of your main gripes was about the Boggies breaking your interpretation of the access code (btw I agreed about it being anti-social), but you have decided that other rules and codes needn't apply to you if you don't agree with them.
Aye, but yer snapping at me ;O)
Never seen a pedestrain on it and if I did I would slow and give a wide berth. - as I always do and as I do for cyclists. a modern bike is so fast its no hardship to lose and gain a bunch of MPH
Tahts the point - there is a time and a place for speeding - and that is only when it does not impinge upon others and when the conditions are right
Martin - sorry - but to be told what is safe and what isn't by someone with far less experience than me grates
I love the way you're ignoring the criticism of this spectacular piece of bullshit too.
I am living proof it is not dangerous - I am still alive as are many of my friends
Grum - it got exactly the reaction I expected 🙂 good bait
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TandemJeremy - Member..............................
As usual an STW petrol head thread is a fine fishing ground
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I ain't angry.
On this thread I have been taking the piss along with making a simple point about relative safety of roads that some are much safer than others despite the same speed limit.
Martinxyz - nonsense
Many would disagree.
you can see the deer easily
A small deer crouched down or behind a hedge on the Rannoch road when biking around 100mph.. If you say so.
and I would be scanning far further than you say
I said that to scan 50ft INWARDS from the roadside on BOTH sides of the road as well as looking at the road in front of you is not something your brain will manage to do safely at those speeds. If you picked up all that the way I hoped you'd pick it up then are you saying you would be scanning further inland on both sides of the road more than 50ft while still managing to keep your imaginary third eye on the road ahead of you at all times..... going the speeds you talketh of on the Rannoch road?
They do not appear from nowhere
See above,2nd quote's answer.
Nothing appears from no where if yo are riding properly and paying attention.
See above,2nd quote's answer involving crouching deer and/or hedges..... while you bimble along towards them safely,at 100mph,98 decibels,9 thousand revs,with reactions similar to a 21 year old...
Yes,I couldn't do all that whilst riding at 100mph and know (and stupidly say) that It's perfectly safe on that road with no threats that could run out in front of you. No,not me. Maybe you..maybe others with the same mindset.. but not me. You are correct there,Jeremy.Just because you cannot do it
does not mean its impossible
It is impossible to ride on that road,at 100mph,and say that it can be perfectly safe when you haven't a clue where wildlife lurks.
Oh - and a bike will stop as well as a car - and once again you show your limitations and believe they apply to all.
If a deer ran out on you whilst hitting 100mph,Jeremy.. you would have a far greater chance of controlling it under massive braking in a car than on your bike. I agree,bikes can stop as quick and often a lot quicker than cars,but with the amount you have been on a bike over the years..I would happily put money,any money,that you would stop a modern car a lot quicker and safer in the heat of the moment.
So yes - you are not telling the truth
No,you misunderstood.I said I WAS telling the truth. I didn't come to lie about not speeding and going back for another shot at the road near Cluanie. I said I was telling the truth.
its your opinion and as from previous thread you do not understand the correct lines to take when cornering
You bring something up from a previous thread? O.K. let me bring it back too. You seem to have forgotten the argument. A road that was in a 40mph zone close to where I work has a nasty left hander on it that is actually safer to approach closer to the middle of the lane you are on. I talked to the northern constabulary bikesafe instructor about the exact corner and like I have already told you, he agreed with me regarding how quickly you would have to steer back in towards your own side of the road if a car came from the other direction on that particular bend. He also appreciated how often oncoming cars tend to cut that corner in question. Another reason to 'drive to suit the conditions' as he put it. Basically saying that you can't drive exactly the way we were told to navigate every left hander by positioning on the right hand side of the road as quite often there's other problems that could arise making the 'correct' way more dangerous.Do you understand that? If you don't,please contact him about the corner in question and he'll explain how and why it differs,O.K?
do not understand how to maximise sightlines so anything you say about bikes is suspect at best
See previous answer.There's no point in maximising sightlines to keep yourself out of danger if it ends up putting you into ANOTHER danger.
It's taken me a while,but hopefully that answers all of what you questioned. As I'm sure most on here would agree.
Don - note the post I made yesterday as quoted above. Fine fishing indeed as I said yesterday
Sorry folks,I argued!
Don - note the post I made yesterday as quoted above. Fine fishing indeed as I said yesterday
My apologies TJ, you are just so clever and a bit of a wag to boot. Good effort. I'll just take the position that you're taking the piss from now on as you can't be trusted, you little tinker, I just thought it was a credibility issue... I feel a bit stupid now.
Respect to martinxyz, that's one hell of a post, good work fella. 😀
Martin - I am not going to argue with you but my decades of experience and hundreds of thousands of miles of riding gives me a very different perspective to you.
Jeremy.. fancy a bike tour? 😀
Oh go onnnnn, It'll be funnnnnn! Looking in our mirrors at each other, Wondering what we might be muttering,or screaming,under the mouthpiece. Maybe the eye language will say it all! (no tinted visors allowed,mind) ;O)
Martin - I am not going to argue with you but my decades of experience and hundreds of thousands of miles of riding gives me a very different perspective to you.
See, flipping hilarious, you should really be on stage TJ, hang on, you probably have, haven't you? What was your stage name? You're among friends here...
Martin - I am not going to argue with you but my decades of experience and hundreds of thousands of miles of riding gives me a very different perspective to you
I totally agree.
Martin - I no longer own bike other than a 35 bhp twin and have not ridden one for a couple of years or more - I will be very rusty and slow nowadays otherwise I would. it would take me a good few thousand miles to get back up to speed
We're only talking 60 maybe 70mph tops ;O)
Nah,I'm kidding. I usually ride alone. Well the last biggish ride to Ullapool was with the boss last month. Still prefer riding alone.
Back on topic. I just wish they would put limiters in every vehicle to slow them down to whatever limit they are in.
I am so sick fed up of people reeling me in when I get into 30 or 40 zones,giving me the feeling that I am slowing them down. It also makes me anxious as I feel that they are thinking I am doing it on purpose.
I aim to go just over the speed limit on the dials (probably just under the actual limit in real money) and I still seem to be pissing off 95% of all kinds of drivers in these zones.
I would like far more traffic police to enforce the law - and far tougher testing with mandatory retesting every 5 years
Back on topic. I just wish they would put limiters in every vehicle to slow them down to whatever limit they are in.
How exactly does that work where you have a 30 limit road crossing a 70 limit one? Or worse a 30 limit road paralleling a 70 limit one?
I'm sure it would also make the roads a lot safer for cars to be hitting the limiter as people overtake on NSL single carriageways.
Yeah,retests would be a pain to do for all of us but I would rather they did this than the way it is right now. It seems most older folk never indicate going around roundabouts.. only indicating when exiting.
Another hate is folk pulling out of slip roads into the side of you.. when you are going the speed limit and there's a car to your right. They seem to think it is my job to slow down,speed up or shift lanes.
To be honest on this one,before the bike test I was driving more like those folk when it came to slip roads. :O( So the bike test taught me what I had forgotten in the driving test. So worthwhile for not only the bike riding,but my driving too.
Since we are speed limit let's see if you can react to some of the cars here ...
I can't think of a 30 zone crossing a 70 zone myself but maybe there is such a thing. 30 is more than fast enough to be crossing anyway,isnt it?!
Maybe some kind of device that would constantly bleep with the most annoying tone if you went over the speed limits would be the answer. Or a device that cuts out the music heading for the speakers in every car built. Maybe a device hard wired in to all cars that plays the birdie song over your own music (also when the stereo is turned off) :O)
I can't think of a 30 zone crossing a 70 zone myself but maybe there is such a thing. 30 is more than fast enough to be crossing anyway,isnt it?!
Bridge over motorway?
Maybe some kind of device that would constantly bleep with the most annoying tone if you went over the speed limits would be the answer
Tom Tom did this until I turned it off - should have changed it to some murray walker commentary really.
Glad TJ was only joking so violently for 3 pages, I confused it with the TJ who would have mothers shot for loitering near bike spaces on trains
"I can't think of a 30 zone crossing a 70 zone myself but maybe there is such a thing. 30 is more than fast enough to be crossing anyway,isnt it?!"
Bridge over motorway?
Indeed - this was the first one I thought of - apologies it's the wrong way round.
Amusing thread with chewkw at his very best 😀
With regard to the 40mph limit, I'm with those who say it is utterly pointless unless drivers are better trained and without much more stringent testing it will make little difference to overall safety.
As an example, I regularly exceed the legal limit as part of my job, so am particularly safety conscious and hopefully very aware of potential hazards. I found driving more stressful during a few days holiday in The Lakes last week than when I am at work. Some people appear to have no perception of what is an appropriate speed and the number of near misses I witnessed at speeds of <20mph was ridiculous. The worst part is that many of the idiots only get away with their appalling driving due to other drivers awareness and ability to take avoiding action.
They only get away with it for so long......until they meet another moron coming the other way 👿
See previous answer.There's no point in maximising sightlines to keep yourself out of danger if it ends up putting you into ANOTHER danger.
safety, stability and finally view.
I am so sick fed up of people reeling me in when I get into 30 or 40 zones,giving me the feeling that I am slowing them down. It also makes me anxious as I feel that they are thinking I am doing it on purpose.
I do pootle through 30 limits at 30 on purpose. What the bloke behind does in that situation is of little concern to me. If they want to overtake in a built up area it's up to them, I reserve the right to bear witness against them though if they cock it up.
Agree completely.Back on topic. I just wish they would put limiters in every vehicle to slow them down to whatever limit they are in.
Yep. Same happens on motorways / dual carriageways at 70, especially when overtaking. Pull out into clear space to overtake, have car zoom up behind, stay pulled out to overtake multiple vehicles and end up with queue behind.I am so sick fed up of people reeling me in when I get into 30 or 40 zones,giving me the feeling that I am slowing them down. It also makes me anxious as I feel that they are thinking I am doing it on purpose.
That would be my max speed if conditions appropriate - and my experience of other drivers too. They seem to be especially angry if I'm below the speed limit due to conditions / visibility.I aim to go just over the speed limit on the dials (probably just under the actual limit in real money) and I still seem to be pissing off 95% of all kinds of drivers in these zones.
[i]I aim to go just over the speed limit on the dials (probably just under the actual limit in real money) and I still seem to be pissing off 95% of all kinds of drivers in these zones. [/i]
Martin - so you always speed, my my
While I am perfectly happy to ride at my own rate on roads (outside of 20/30/40) and have driven on public roads at over 150mph in a car and 170mph on a m/c - I don't speed in 20/30/40 limits. Maybe this is the difference between us, and one of us actually understands 'real' risk, not just 'perceived' risk?
And I will support TJ in his 'Rannoch' arguement, having commuted into London for many years you get use to looking for everything - whether its deer or children.
While I am perfectly happy to ride at my own rate on roads (outside of 20/30/40) and have driven on public roads at over 150mph in a car and 170mph on a m/c - I don't speed in 20/30/40 limits. Maybe this is the difference between us, and one of us actually understands 'real' risk, not just 'perceived' risk?
Wow are you trying to sound pompous or does it just come naturally? Martin is correct that most car speedometers report a slightly high speed, so he is unlikely to be breaking the limit.
Boasting about going at 170mph on public roads, wow. :swoon:
While I am perfectly happy to ride at my own rate on roads (outside of 20/30/40) and have driven on public roads at over 150mph in a car and 170mph on a m/c - I don't speed in 20/30/40 limits. Maybe this is the difference between us, and one of us actually understands 'real' risk, not just 'perceived' risk?
Yes and it doesn't appear to be you!
Woody - the simple point being that for a similar level of risk on a wide smooth road with good visibility you can go far faster than you can on a narrow twisty road with poor visibility. However both have 60 mph speed limits.
As usual an STW petrol head thread is a fine fishing ground
Posted 1 day ago #
Oh so you're a troll - well done you.
Woody - the simple point being that for a similar level of risk on a wide smooth road with good visibility you can go far faster than you can on a narrow twisty road with poor visibility. However both have 60 mph speed limits.
Oh so now you're defending going at 170 on public roads? This really is hilarious - if it wasn't for the fact that you happen to enjoy speeding you would be having an absolute fit over the selfishness of this kind of behaviour.
Oh so you're a troll - well done you.
Isn't that a breach of the forum rules?
you get use to looking for everything - whether its deer or children.
Yes, looking and seeing are 2 different things. I know motorcyclists are genetically different and have faster reaction times and a third eye but still. The human brain cannot process all of that information in enough time to react.
No grum I am not. Try actually reading.
Its just a simple point. (for example )the rannoch moor road and the south loch earn road are both 60 mph limits. However at 60 mph the level of risk is very different, for the same level of risk the speeds you can do is vastly different. Or the wee mad road for an even more extrreme example. I absolutly thrashed my bike along the wee mad road - I averaged around 30 mph.
Mike - actually it is astonishing how much info you can see and process as you train yourself to do so.
Mike - actually it is astonishing how much info you can see and process as you train yourself to do so.
To a point - you just don't notice all the stuff you don't see - no matter how much you look.
No grum I am not. Try actually reading.
Well, you were replying to Woody, who was criticising the guy who boasted about riding at 170mph and how good his risk perception was. What is this then if not a defence of what b r said? Just an irrelevant reply to a different post?
Woody - the simple point being that for a similar level of risk on a wide smooth road with good visibility you can go far faster than you can on a narrow twisty road with poor visibility.
Fixed this one for you...
Mike - actually it is astonishing how much info you can convince yourself you can see and process
Woody - the simple point being that for a similar level of risk on a wide smooth road with good visibility you can go far faster than you can on a narrow twisty road with poor visibility. However both have 60 mph speed limits.
That was not the point I was making and replying to when I used that quotation.
My point was regarding risk and the statement showed that the poster had no real appreciation/understanding of risk, merely that he obeyed the law in lower speed limit areas and disregarded national speed limits when he thought it safe to do so.
[i]Martin is correct that most car speedometers report a slightly high speed, so he is unlikely to be breaking the limit. [/i]
But this is the whole problem, and why Martin is a part of it. You should drive to conditions, not to some sign set at the side of the road!
And 150/170mph is legal, where I was 🙂
I would not be surprised if most peoples' beliefs in their ability to drive at high speeds exceed their actual abilities - in fact by a large margin. And that would be in a controlled environment with correctly prepared cars. As for driving at speed in normal cars on normal conditions with everyday distractions, I would tend to agree with Damon Hill who is probably better placed than most of us to assess these issues. He is a fan of a 55mph speed limit on all roads, claiming that [b]"most people are not safe to drive above 55mph".[/b] My experience on the roads and listening to weekend warriors makes me sympathetic to his views.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-07-07/damon-hill-im-a-big-fan-of-the-55mph-speed-limit
Agree with br about driving to the conditions.
to some extent anyone who claims they are safe driving at 100mph, sounds a bit like i am a better driver after a couple of pints.
Professor Henry Brubaker, of the Institute for Studies, said: “Young drivers are often very resentful towards speed cameras, but as you grow up you realise that a car is actually a very large bit of metal. Or you become one of those arseholes that you hear so much about.”But Roy Hobbs, a 48-year-old who has his own pint glass behind some bar, insisted: “Fundamentally, I believe I should be able to go as fast as I want, wherever and whenever I want. Because that’s what I want. Is that too much to ask?
“It’s actually a French-black-homo-perpetuated myth that pedestrians die when they get run over. Most of the ones I’ve hit have immediately apologised for denting my bonnet before agreeing with me that it’s actually the fault of some health and safety officer from Queeristan.”
Wayne Hayes, the real name of a person who drives a bright orange Ford Focus, added: “If they do get rid of speed cameras I’ll have nothing to believe in. But it’s okay, because Jeremy will tell me what to believe in.
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