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Agreed, brilliant documentary
Adam Curtis been quiet for a while
I do wonder if he's making a new doc about Brexit/Russia/Trump
Only a week and a half to go
Locally labour activists everywhere door knocking, handing out flyers
Tory MP has pulled exact same vanishing act he did last time round, no hustings, no real campiging, that saw his majority fall from 10,000 to 1800
I think this time he's safe, there's no longer a bxp/ukip candidate and we have an ageing population , he did get busted posting a staged litter picking pic tho
Interesting to see that Dominic Raab could be providing this elections 'Portillo Moment' despite presently havig a 23,000 majority. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke
A dictatorship may not sound great but sometimes things are better left alone rather than killing a whole load of people and ending up with something no better.
Hindsight is often 20/20.......
Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke
Fingers crossed - despicable fkr!
Bloke on twitter from Chingford this morning with pictures of Iain Duncan Smith at his door. Apparently if Labour win then "they will take your house away".
IDS has to lose his seat for his constant, incessant lying and his ghoulish tendencies towards making poor people even poorer.
Hindsight lol! Are you serious?
So we know better after Libya right? If only there had been some examples of rgime change going wrong in recent history then maybe we would have known not to go into Libya. Ffs
Hindsight is often 20/20…….
yeah cos no one said invading iraqi without a "what happens next plan" was a bad idea at the time.
As usual the point is missed....
The point is did anyone know it was going to end so badly?
Did you know beforehand there wasn’t a plan?
Were you present at the strategic planning meetings prior to any of those events?
No.
I certainly didn’t know the planners didn’t have a scoobies. Mind you after a decade in the Army there’s an argument I should have! 🤣
I agree, in hindsight, these operations have proved to be clusterFs....& we should certainly reconsider how we intervene in the future.
So, yeah....hindsight.
Tory party really are doing trump type campaigning. Getting pulled up for dodgy editing of BBC broadcasts now. But apparently according to their campaign staff it's ok as people can see from themselves that it's ok, of course true as long as you have the time and skills to find what program all of the clips are from and watch each one to find the context of the comment. Shameful gutter campaigning.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_protests
The point is did anyone know it was going to end so badly?
YES! It was obvious!
certainly didn’t know the planners didn’t have a scoobies. Mind you after a decade in the Army there’s an argument I should have!
You should have, because it was effing obvious to millions of us.
Protests in 600 cities globally ‘should’ have given pause for thought. MILLIONS of people worldwide who were horrified at enough at direction that events were taking that they joined some of the biggest mass protests the world had seen. But no, no one had any idea.
a short snippet from John Brady Kiesling resignation letter dated march 4th which was printed in the New York Times
Have we indeed become blind, as Russia
is blind in Chechnya, as Israel is blind in the Occupied
Territories, to our own advice, that overwhelming military
power is not the answer to terrorism? After the shambles of
post-war Iraq joins the shambles in Grozny and Ramallah, it
will be a brave foreigner who forms ranks with Micronesia to
follow where we lead.
Tory party really are doing trump type campaigning.
Everyone should have known exactly what to expect as soon as Johnson got Cummings on board. He's employing all the same dodgy tactics he did with the leave campaign and then some. And all those tactics were brought to them by Steve Bannon fresh from getting Trump elected. Pushing the boundaries of legality to the very limit, then pushing a little bit more
I take it you don't believe Cummings resigned 3 weeks ago then.
Really ? I thought the Brexit vote happened before Trump got elected ?
I know Cummings is good at his evil work, but has he really managed time travel ?
(makes you think doesn't it, etc etc)
The point is did anyone know it was going to end so badly?
Did you know beforehand there wasn’t a plan?
It was widely discussed at the time, a lot of knowledgeable people voiced their concerns about the lack of planning, they were on telly and everything.
Kerley - he didn't; go back through the thread to see why.
In summary, all SPADs are required to stand down in GE run-up so he did; his role & responsibilities are unchanged - as per cabinet office.
Hels
Bannon has been doing the rounds in Europe for a while now. Connecting with like-minded people like Cummings and the far right networks across the EU. A lot of the tactics of misinformation and the abuse of data that the trump campaign an the leave campaign used are those pioneered by Putin
I take it you don’t believe Cummings resigned 3 weeks ago then.
All the dodgy shenanigans going on at the moment have his grubby fingerprints all over them
@hels he ran Breitbart which supported both campaigns
He is also on the board of Cambridge Analytics that also supported both campaigns
Poll tracker: changes last Monday.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1201490383810768896?s=20
Labour were 7pts away from Tories at this point in 2017
Labour were 7pts away from Tories at this point in 2017
In the aggregate poll?
Present bookies odds:
Tory Majority 1.5/1
No overall majority 2.75/1
Labour Majority 21/1
So both party leaders already attempting to oversimplify and blame Friday’s killings on the actions of the last Labour government. Not good enough from either of them. They might both be making valid points… but the timing stinks. Our politics stinks.
The coalescing around the two main parties just shows how broken our system is. People are not voting for representation but against other parties.
People are not voting for representation but against other parties.
We have to.
Depressing but true. Especially depressing if you watched the C4 climate debate.
Kelvin, I agree - unacceptable from both Johnson & Corbyn.
The fact that the father of one of the murdered makes a public request that this not be politicised should not have been necessary but, regrettably, he was right.
Johnson's interview with Marr, when discussing this, has been described by Norman Smith of BBC as 'abrasive'.
If Corbyn had said nothing for a few days, certainly until after today's memorial service, he would done himself a favour.
As it is, neither have shown much compassion or common decency; not a good look.
The coalescing around the two main parties just shows how broken our system is. People are not voting for representation but against other parties.
I take your point, but I'm not. I'm voting Libdem this time and not to stop another party:
1p on tax.
Revoke.
A sane(ish) policy on Zero hour contracts.
(Comparitive) Fiscal Rectitude.
I take it you don’t believe Cummings resigned 3 weeks ago then.
Only as a Special Advisor. Which I understand he had to do under purdah rules.
The coalescing around the two main parties just shows how broken our system is
And the option is?
Its looking increasingly like the last election in people returning to the two main parties not for any particular confidence in them or desire to vote for them but from fear and distrust of the other lot. Of course, both Labour and the Tory's will then take this as a vote of confidence and a positive endorsement of their policies. Same as they did last time.
Our entire political system is ****ed!
I'm getting my head around the appalling choices on offer by just thinking on a local level towards my rather good (non-Corbynite) labour MP who thoroughly deserves to continue in the job for what he does for the constituency. I'm just trying to ignore the absolute horror show at the top of both parties
Mostly "P" members posting on this page so may not have noticed, but today every single advert for me on this thread is a Tory sponsored "cost of Corbyn: £2400 more tax every year" claim and himself looking as comrade as possible.
A quick search confirms that this is bollocks (but also that labour are unlikely to raise enough through the means they claim)
https://fullfact.org/electionlive/2019/nov/25/conservatives-repeat-misleading-labour-cost-figure/
Take out a subscription; it won't stop the bollocks but will be invisible to you.
but today every single advert for me on this thread is a Tory sponsored “cost of Corbyn: £2400 more tax every year” claim and himself looking as comrade as possible.
Or click on it, get the details and research into them to make sure they are lies. That way at least it's costing them as much as possible to spout out the rubbish.
Definitely narrowing
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1201522504428380161?s=19
But can't see it being enough because of the 'red wall' marginals
Can someone please explain to me while people are still voting tory?
I don't see what they offer working class families, surely Labour are offering more?
I've never been able to get my head around anyone who's not in the top 1% of earners voting for the Tories
Working class Tories are a very odd breed indeed
Unfortunately the lies work. Lots of people really, genuinely believe that Corbyn is a communist who is going to take away all their stuff, that the EU is just France and Germany trying to take our money etc etc. So they will vote Tory.
Working class Tories are a very odd breed indeed
The argument I’ve heard is that they’ve worked hard to get what they have so why should they support a party who will give to others who haven’t worked as hard.
Not saying I agree but it’s an argument.
I’m voting Libdem this time and not to stop another party:
1p on tax.
Revoke.
A sane(ish) policy on Zero hour contracts.
(Comparitive) Fiscal Rectitude.
Prudent. Sensible.
Expect some abuse because voting labour is the only solution on here.
If it is, the problem can't be solved.
Well I believe we need something way more radical than the above. So 1p income tax will do very little.
First few post echo my constant Tory confusion.
So 1p income tax will do very little.
I know. So how is the free Broadband going to be paid for? And the free prescriptions. And the reduction in rail fares?
Jeremy's imaginary piggy bank?
I think Labour might just pull this off. I'm starting to think Tory fatigue is kicking in; too much unexpected bad stuff going on. This won't keep away die hard hammer-heads but there are a lot of people out there yearning for change who might just be tipped towards Labour.
I'm not calling a majority but I reckon they might scrape it one way or another. Revise in one week.
(Un)Happy to be called out on Friday 13th if I'm wrong!
I've decided Labour are going to win, you heard it here first.
If I'm wrong it'll be the first time I've got an election or referendum result wrong in the last 6yrs give or take so the weight of history is on my side - if that's not just a little bit grandiose!
Jeremy’s imaginary piggy bank?
There's a document costing everything, why don't you give that a read.