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My point is that the system does not help people on a low wage; this increases the amount of people on long term unemployment rather than having a low income job. With council tax, 20% tax on low earners and a loss of benefits in kind you are better off doing nothing than taking a job with a lower income. Not only does this mean people often subsidies there benefits with undeclared work it is also a disincentive to get a job, hence landing us in the situation Britain is in today. If more was done to help lower income earners, like getting rid of council tax on people earning less than £15k then it would encourage the long term unemployed to work and help people who are just entering the jobs market.
Your argument against that is that may rich people have no income so they don’t have to pay. For someone who seems to be socially liberal you seem to think it is perfectly alright for people to do nothing, instead of encouraging them to take up work and possibly increasing social mobility for themselves and their family.
Why work for low salaries when you are better off doing nothing?
well as you do why ?
and a loss of benefits in kind you are better off doing nothing than taking a job with a lower income
I know those greedy rich people [entrpreneurs[spell?] /risk takers I think the right call them] offering low wages to staff so they can make even more money from their labour just boils my piss that that a person is better off not working than accepting there derisory low wages that the capitalist system offers them. Slightly toungue in cheek but why not get angry at the low wages rather than the person trapped in this position?
So how about the extremely low paid who get to keep a scant 4p out of every pound once they've paid out for food, housing and utilities?
They might get benefits, but the heavy taxes on consumption (both direct and indirect) see to it that they stay poor.
Much as long term unemployment is obviously undesirable, Alwyn, the reason Britain is in 'such a state' has (comparitively) little to do with the unemployed and more to do with borrowing at all levels of society up to government levels, together with a collapse in manufacturing and export.
The unemployed, the asylum seekers, and the rest of the folk the Daily mail winges about, are just scapegoats.
hence landing us in the situation Britain is in today.
So more serious than I thought then 😐
Mind you, I never totally convinced that it was the bankers that landed us in the situation Britain is in today.
I mean, these people worked very hard at making lots of money.
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BTW, I like :
[i]"getting rid of council tax on people earning less than £15k"[/i]
I think there should be a penalty for people earning too much money. So penalising people for earning more than £15k sounds like a good idea to me.
I think there should be a penalty for people earning too much money
Hurrah for jealousy! Hurrah for doing down achievement! Hurrah for stopping development of an economy! etc.
So penalising people for earning more than £15k sounds like a good idea to me.
£15k? That's someone working in a bike shop That's someone working in McDonald's. That's someone working in a supermarket.
So, let's penalise them! Excellent!
I do so hope your post was in jest, Ernie....
I do so hope your post was in jest, Ernie....
What's the matter with you Flash ........I'm trying to agree with the geezer - am I expected to [i]always[/i] argue ? 😕
It was alwyn's idea that only people earning over £15k should pay council tax - anyone earning less than that should get it for free.
I wonder what category he would fall in ? 😕
And btw Flash, why would it have anything to do with "jealousy" ???
I earn more than £15k. It's just that I'm OK with subsidising the likes of alwyn.
........I'm just that kinda guy 8)
I'd be happy to pay more tax if it helps make the lives of the less fortunate a little easier. Because of course whether we 'succeed' or 'fail' in life is ultimately just down to dumb luck (or fate/karma/divine will - delete according to belief).
Well, speaking as someone who has always been relatively low paid and spent all my working life in the engineering/manufacturing trade i can relate to this thread.
I was made redundant (after 23yrs) and spent 7 months on the dole. Because i was bright enough to take out insurance my mortgage was paid and i received benefits for Council Tax etc.
I've recently taken agency work at around 15% less than i was earning before, i'm still paying all my bills/mortgage/Council Tax though.
I've paid my way these last 20yrs, i've paid comparitively more than those people earning £30'000+ so to those who whinge about their tax levels...
**** you.
There aren't any veery rich people on this forum yet some of you are moaning about the rates,
How do you know? Are 10k bikes the preserve of the poor?
Btw, cheers El Bent. That was the very one. Every time I hear Flash and his likes whinging about jealousy and doing down ambition and success, that's the quote that comes to mind.
£15k? That's someone working in a bike shop That's someone working in McDonald's. That's someone working in a supermarket.
Have you become a man of the common people like call me dave all of a sudden some sort of epiphany happen over easter led to a spiritual awakening?
From each according to their means to those according to their needs.
Did you know, council tax is only about 4.5% of govt's receipts?
[i]CaptJon - Member
From each according to their means to those according to their needs.
Did you know, council tax is only about 4.5% of govt's receipts?[/i]
And the rest comes from here . . . . lol
“Airplane Tax”
Air Passenger Duty
UK Passenger Service Charge
Insurance and Security surcharge
Fuel surcharge
Airport Tax
Corporation Tax
Fuel Tax
Income Tax
Inheritance Tax
Insurance Tax
Stamp Duty Land Tax
Up to £125,000 0%
Over £125,000 to £250,000 1%
Over £250,000 to £500,000 3%
Over £500,000 4%
VAT (Std Rate) 17.5%
VAT (Reduced Rate) 5 %
Vehicle Tax