I am a small animal veterinarian. I give literally dozens of vaccines every day. In 13 years I have seen fewer than 10 serious adverse reactions.
Being a vet and a keen traveller I have also received far more vaccines than the average person - my wife, also a vet, has too. We are both quite fit and well despite these dreadfully toxic things.
My daughter who is now 11 months has had all her vaccines to date and I'm sure in time will have her HPV vaccine too.
I think in the Western World it is very easy to forget just how serious the diseases are which have now largely disappeared. I have dealt with rabies and distemper cases (both of these fairly well eradicated in the UK) and still see parvovirus - which is preventable IF animals are vaccinated.
Vaccines are not without risks. No medical intervention is. By and large though these risks through are tiny compared to the diseases they prevent.
I sometimes wonder if men don't want their daughters to have this vaccine because they can't handle the idea of them having sex
That's part of the public opposition in the US, within a religious framework. As in, our kids should not be having sex, and they should only sleep with one person, so why should we support them doing anything else?
That's part of the public opposition in the US, within a religious framework. As in, our kids should not be having sex, and they should only sleep with one person, so why should we support them doing anything else?
The thing is, that one person they sleep with could have slept with one other person who had HPV....even if the girlie is a wee angel, the boy might not be, or vice versa!
Of course - you don't have to tell me how stupid the idea is!
And don't use it to clean your loo either
Beginner's mistake. He's supposed to put the solution into a special flask, and strike it 10 times against a special leather and horsehair mat. Only then will the water remember the bleach molecules.....
Good thing he didn't, or the homeopathic bleach could have killed him 🙂
Of course - you don't have to tell me how stupid the idea is!
Lol - I saw "US" and "religious" in the sentence and I figured! 😉
Good thing he didn't, or the homeopathic bleach could have killed him
Makes you wonder why there have never been any homeopathic terrorist attacks eh? Pretty easy to sneak 1 picolitre of something nasty into a public water reservoir! 😆
Spotted this this morning and thought it would help those still on the fence.
http://theconversation.com/six-myths-about-vaccination-and-why-theyre-wrong-13556
The second part of this cover vaccines well too.
What was the outcome of the original decision here, out of interest? Still holding off or got the jab?
Held off for now.
We'll be looking into this in due course but I appreciate the debate this thread started.
those of you who Facebook might like to look at the [url=
Vax Wall of Shame[/url] - but I warn you, there is some frightening stuff on there.
Of course, you could always ask your daughters what they want.
At 13 yrs old, I know myself and most other girls were quite self aware and if my mum signed for me to have an injection that I did not want, there is no way I would have had it!
I cant imagine the wishes of the girls are not asked about!
Held off for now.
We'll be looking into this in due course but I appreciate the debate this thread started.
vaccinate now. I'd be really surprised if some further evidence emerged to either put you off or encourage you.
HPV is also linked to head & neck cancers. [url= http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdFact-HPVandoralcancer.htm ]http://www.cdc.gov/std/hpv/stdFact-HPVandoralcancer.htm[/url]. albeit ones with a [url= http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/facts/pdf/hpv_Infection.pdf ]more favourable prognosis[/url] than non-HPV related ones.
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6079smith your links are absolute bobbins -the study they refer too seems to be a complete fiction-and dumping stuff like that a a thread about vaccinating a someone against a cancer causing virus would be laughable if it wasn't so damaging
Snopes debunk 6079smithw's scaremongering here:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/gardasil.asp
Which in part reads:
The CDC, in conjunction with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), operates a program known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The VAERS program collects and analyzes reports on adverse events following immunizations in order to help track the safety and efficacy of various vaccines. It is important to note that reports collected by VAERS are raw data; they do not in themselves establish causal connections between vaccines and adverse medical issues — such determinations cannot be made until the reports have been investigated, evaluated, and analyzed.(To illustrate this concept, we offer the following [admittedly far-fetched] scenario: A man who received a flu vaccination and then accidentally hit his hand with a hammer a few hours later might legitimately report that soon after he received the flu vaccine, his hand began to throb painfully. Although such a report would be literally true, it would not establish any causal connection between the flu vaccine and the adverse medical symptom of a throbbing, painful hand.)
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/gardasil.asp#MvrJyOIeToiBOoox.99
Sorry I can't sort the line spacing in the quote!
I expect it would be tasteless and too big a task to post pictures of the thousands of girls and women who have lost their lives to cancer . So I will just point out that 6079smithw's link is to an American right wing website and intact only documents one death in relation to which it says there was no autopsy so despite the claimed link to the vaccine no evidence just a perverse form of wishful thinking.
If you have any doubts about vaccination then Penn & Teller explain it very simply.
Of course, you could always ask your daughters what they want.At 13 yrs old, I know myself and most other girls were quite self aware and if my mum signed for me to have an injection that I did not want, there is no way I would have had it!
I cant imagine the wishes of the girls are not asked about!
Hell no, when it comes to their teenage daughters, a lot of fathers believe they are the guardians of their daughters' sexuality, and therefore they just stick their fingers in their ears and go "la la la" when faced with anything that points to their daughters having future sexual activity.
All this scaremongering about vaccines comes from the American right, who have exactly the views above. They love a bit of Bible bashing, and you only have to read a few choice verses from there about how basically women are morally f***ed and have to repent their sins through the pain of childbirth and subservience to men. Punishment for sexual activity outside the prescribed Bible belt LifeScript(TM) is part of the deal, and since they believe that this vaccine promotes promiscuity, they prefer to believe that cervical cancer is a punishment for "promiscuous women" hence they will bash and discredit it all they can to try and prevent women having more agency, and choice, about their own bodies.
What women want rarely comes into it.
they believe that this vaccine promotes promiscuity, they prefer to believe that cervical cancer is a punishment for "promiscuous women"
Really is an odd attitude eh?
I mean, even if you buy into that [i]interesting[/i] moral framework - their pure virginal daughters still risk contracting HPV when they get married and have good honest intercourse (procreative purposes only obviously) with their loving devoted husband?
I mean, even if you buy into that interesting moral framework - their pure virginal daughters still risk contracting HPV when they get married and have good honest intercourse (procreative purposes only obviously) with their loving devoted husband?
Sadly, I think they believe that God will spare them and diseases only affect people of lose morals / atheists..
Sadly, I think they believe that God will spare them and diseases only affect people of lose morals / atheists..
Sadly, these people ARE this delusional.
Anything that gives women greater choice, protection, and agency over what happens to their bodies is opposed.
