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Don't get a tracer 275.
Any particular reason why not?
Hmm... I might be in the process of changing my opinion of the Mojo HD. In the words of Terry Tibbs, talk to me 🙂
It certainly looks like 27.5" is going to take off in the next generation of 'trail bikes'. Santa Cruz along with others seems to have dropped 26" from next year...
Something to bear in mind for future proofing.
Since we have reached the stage of recommending what you we have got, +1 for the SB66.
Run mine with 160 34 Floats and no problem climbing at all, and around here there are some steep long climbs to do before reaching the trails.
smatkins1 - quite probably, but I really don't see any benefit to 650b.
Has anyone got any long term experience of the SB66 - I'm slightly daunted by the high cost of the switch link rebuild kit.
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Just replaced the bearings in my 66. Pretty easy job, the big one in the switch was a little tricky but nothing major.
Putting a new Pike on it tomorrow.
I had a very similar dilema. I went to one of the lakes based shops already mentioned with a view to buying a SB66. I hadn't considered an intense but ended up with a carbine which has the angles of a tracer 2 but 150/140 travel option and at the time £300 more than the tracer.
Also you can buy replacement dropouts that turn it into a carbine 275 if thats your thing?
I know they've had their issues in the past but I dont buy into the 'its intense so will break/ is wonky' argument on their current bikes.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Pivot Mach 5.7 Carbon - it's about 150mm front & rear, a very respectable weight & less than a SC Nomad.
ansdy - MemberI know they've had their issues in the past but I dont buy into the 'its intense so will break/ is wonky' argument on their current bikes.
Carbine is built for them by a German carbon specialist, so I'd expect it to be of a completely different standard to their other stuff. Stunning bike too, bar the inexplicable omission of ISCG mounts.
mrlebowski - MemberI'm surprised nobody has mentioned the Pivot Mach 5.7 Carbon - it's about 150mm front & rear, a very respectable weight & less than a SC Nomad.
It's 145mm - it's probably a step down in terms of intended use to the 160mm bike the OP is after, although we're dealing with fairly blurred lines here.
Enduro Carbon. Can be had as frame only, last time I looked. failing that you can get it from anywhere in Europe,US,Canada and specialized will honour the warranty anywhere in the world. Speaking of warranty it has one of, if not the best.
Imo almost all of the other suggestions put forward are long legged trail bikes. The Enduro is cut from a different cloth, it is simply amazing when pointed downhill, and the new one really does climb and pedal brilliantly for what it is.
wrecker - MemberThe carbon enduro , it's not actually as good as the other bikes the OP has already mentioned. Apart from that, it's ideal.
I'm guessing one of three things here. You haven't ridden it, you rode it around a car park, or you rode one that wasn't set up for you.
I've spent time on the base spec comp Enduro and it's awesome. Even with the ctd suspension it's performance is mind blowing. It obviously doesn't have the boutique brand snobbery attached to it that a yeti or santa cruz does, I'll give you that, but it's performance is unquestionable.
+ 1 for the Nicolai's
the Helius has adjustable rear travel though, which is pretty useful for shortening the travel around local trails, then big travel for Alpine trips - combine it with Lyriks or Talas and you have a massivly cabable do it all bike
it is heavy though, but as you are not competing cross country, you should be fine just work the legs more ;)!
and they have 5 year transferable warranty....
Mojo HD owner here.
Great bike, climbs well, descends brilliantly, not too heavy (30lb) all up for mine (inc pedals). I use it for everything, long xc, uk uplift, spain uplift etc.
Large mojo hd
fox 36 160mm talas
ccdb air
shimano xt brakes
XT/SLX 2 x 10 drive train
hope pro ii hubs + dt swiss ex5.1 rims + hans dampf tubeless tyres.
rockshox reverb
easton carbon bars
superstar mag pedals
cane creek angleset (-1.5deg) - not convinced this is worth having
I'm guessing one of three things here. You haven't ridden it, you rode it around a car park, or you rode one that wasn't set up for you.
Neither. I had a good couple of hours on a friends, who is a similar weight to me. The tracer certainly is every bit as AM as the enduro.
I test rode a Mojo HD last night, which was most unhelpful. Stiffer, lighter, climbed better, descended better etc etc. All round, a better bike to ride than the Five.
I now want one.
Which poses a dilemma - do I get a complete new bike, or just upgrade the frame?
Liteville ??
Ventana Zeus 140/160mm travel.
There must be some deals to be had on mojo hd frames now that the hdr is out.
Make a few offers, someone will bite.
I got £500 off mine (frame only) a few years ago.
A HD is a good choice, a few months into ownership and I'm smitten, the thing loves techy climbs and generally feels very flattering,
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yeah, I've got a line on a fantastic deal for an HD. I just need to man up and do it
I rode a carbon Bronson last night. Distinctly underwhelmed.
I was most impressed with the clutch mech and a decent dropper post.
Sam B - Might be interested in the Tracer 2 (replacing stolen Tracer VP) - can you pm me with details (spec, size, price, colour etc). Also, Buzz Lightyear why not the Tracer 275? Tested, rode and liked and current favourite
Pardon the ignorance, but what's wrong with Intense?
(had been having vague notions of getting a Spider)
Pardon the ignorance, but what's wrong with Intense?
They have a reputation for building bikes way out of alignment. Which then break.
Tweeks have the Spider 2 at massive discount (£990 from £1650) if thats your thing (or possibly you knew and thats why youre considering it!).
http://www.tweekscycles.com/components/full-suspension-frames/intense-spider-2-26-frameset-2012
Enduro owner here does it all, haven't looked back. Recently went through OP's dilemma.
I did try the sb66 - very good quick bike, but sizing a bit long. Tried a nomad didn't like the riding position.
Didn't try the mojo HD, love the look but I discounted for the geometry being a bit dated so thought something new may be around the corner. Then the HDR came out and really don't get that.
Sat on the enduro and it just felt right.
650b is growing rapidly so you may want to go that way to future proof the investment. Spicy or Bronson would be my pick of them. But for me it's a 26er for the next few years 🙂
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They have a reputation for building bikes way out of alignment. Which then break.
Tweeks have the Spider 2 at massive discount (£990 from £1650) if thats your thing (or possibly you knew and thats why youre considering it!).
Is that historical (like Cannondale) or more recent?
Sadly not in a position to buy now, due to 4/12 old second child...
Another very happy enduro owner , been using it as my main ride ever since it arrived , fast enough on the flat climbs so well and makes up for my lack of talent going down hill.
Full bike was never imported into the uk just frames , so build they way you want
Mine tips scales at 28.05 inc cage bell and pump plus the older heavier dropper post.
Carbine is built for them by a German carbon
specialist, so I'd expect it to be of a completely
different standard to their other stuff. Stunning
bike too, bar the inexplicable omission of ISCG
mounts.
From what I heard recently, the Carbine may be designed by some random Germans but is actually coming out of china like all the other carbon frames.
Is that historical (like Cannondale) or more recent?
More recent than "Creak'n'fail" who's failures are definitely historic (Lapierre have stolen that crown), and sufficiently high profile for me to turn down getting an Intense at mates rates last year (cost + VAT)- but that might just be me being overly cautious, I'm sure there are plenty of happy owners out there. And I own a 2010 Alpine 160, so I'm expecting the swing arm to crack at the weld vent 🙄
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