Pointless.
An exercise in trying to separate you from your money.
Who here has really thought they need more range from 1x10 or even 1x11?
If you can’t get the gears you want from 10 or 11 then 12 isn’t suddenly going to make the difference - likewise 50 to 51!
As for another standard??? They can F right off IMHO.......
Me, I would like more range than my 1x10. And I don't like the gaps between gears neither, so going to one of the not-available-when-I-got-my stuff 46t 10 speed cassettes would not be optimal and anyway I have 11-46 11 speed on my other bike and I could do with an extra gear there and all.
Pricing was on the mtbr article wasn’t it? It’s a bit cheaper than XX1 eagle
"Me, I would like more range than my 1×10."
Then you are a more sensitive machine than I & the bike industry will happily relieve you of your money with each little incremental advance/standard change.......
“Me, I would like more range than my 1×10.”
Then you are a more sensitive machine than I & the bike industry will happily relieve you of your money with each little incremental advance/standard change…….
I got GX11, it was fantastic, price was good and the longevity was a welcome change. The Range was great too. I'll be going GX12 Next as I am happy at that price and longevity.
Not evening thinking about XTR or XT for a while until they can prove it's got something SRAM doesn't.
The pic of the cassette 'appears to have a very smaall contcat area with the freehub body, just a feww mm inboard and outboard. Might be OK if its steel /steel , but its XTR so it won't be. Then if this is the case, why have the shimano weight weenies not machined off the splines in between the contcact area, as the are not in contact with anything but thin air. OK might be rigidity ,but i have never heard of mythical freehub body flex .
Then you are a more sensitive machine than I & the bike industry will happily relieve you of your money with each little incremental advance/standard change…….
No, I would like it, I don't have it. I put up with what I have, and will continue to do so until it wears out. So the bike industry is going to have to wait a couple of years probably, Sooner than that if I smash a rear mech possibly.
All I am going to say is hurry up and bring out XT 12 out. Have a GX Eagle set up here I was about to fit but now thinking of returning it and sticking with 3x10 XT and 1x11 XTR (was going to ditch the 3x10 on my 29er). Really not sure I like SRAM stuff, shimano feels more engineered to me.
All I am going to say is hurry up and bring out XT 12 out.
This is released now for Oct in the shops? So 2019 Bikes, give them a year? So an XT version hitting the shops no earlier than end of 2019, another 6 months before anyone offers a discount on it?
Really not sure I like SRAM stuff, shimano feels more engineered to me.
Have you tried any recently? General consensus appears to be 11 & 12 is different to the 10sp and shimano have not been there on the 11sp.
Anyway having seen some weights around 367g for the 10-51 cassette and £290, the 10-45 310g £250
XX1 Eagle 360g Can't see a price
XO1 Eagle according to bikeroumor about the same CRC have them for £265/RRP£300
GX £131 & 448g
Personally I'd have the 2 GX cassettes for the XTR money 😉
Running a mix of XT/XTR 11 speed and have GX Eagle sat here in a box and have tried Sram 11 speed on friends bike. Prefer the levers on Shimano but I admit the Sram feels nicer to shift than Shimano 11 speed.
Sunrace 11-50 cassette about £60 so cheaper than anything else, bit heavier than the other options but it's a consumable and I am carrying more than a few extra grams.
They will clean up with XT and SLX
They might, but I can't help thinking SRAM still have a big head start... XTR obviously isn't going to be the product that breaks their slump, it's got to be XT, and SLX 12 needs to follow closely behind to help capture the "mid-spec" market.
Of course looking ahead will it really be ~3 years before Deore get 11 sprockets? And will they be on a Micro-Spline freehub? They need a product to match NX on £1k to £1.2k bikes. M6000 hasn't been out long, but SRAM already had it beaten at what is possibly the most important part of the OEM market...
IMO they need to accelerate the old "trickle down" strategy if they want some market share back...
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If you can’t get the gears you want from 10 or 11 then 12
It isn't really about the number of gears, more about the range. I have 10 speed with 11-42 on one bike, 11 speed with 10-42, and then eagle with 10-50. I don't care that one has 10 and one has 12- and I'm not really bothered about gaps, within reason- but that's 380%, 420% and 500%- I don't think anyone can deny that's a useful difference tbh, it's like changing from a 32T front ring to a 42.
Not all bikes need a lot of range- my fatbike doesn't need high gears because it just doesn't need to be pedalled that fast,it needs low because it's draggy. My old Soda didn't need low gears because it weighed 20lbs and had race tyres, braaaaaaaaap. But my Remedy, it wants to be pedalled flat out downwards and then winched back up otherwise, it wants gears on both ends and 500% is enough that there's really no compromise for me. (10-42 was almost enough)
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It’s also about the jumps between those 2 extremes. The more gears available, the smaller the jumps. Helps keep a consistent cadence.
I got GX11, it was fantastic, price was good and the longevity was a welcome change. The Range was great too. I’ll be going GX12 Next as I am happy at that price and longevity.
GX12 is worse than GX11 in my experience. 850km over 3months so far and one mech down and two chain links. It also shits itself occasionally and jumps right down the cassette for no reason I can fathom. If you have no real need for the range (i.e you don't race/sprint around fire roads/have herculean quads so you can't just put a smaller ring on the front to get you the low end) then i'd probably go GX11 or save for X01 11 (if you want to stick with SRAM).
“Anyone know if the aluminium cassette section will be available separately? I go through a couple of the hope ones a year which is pretty bad, but having to bin the whole cassette because of 3 cogs seems a bit much.”
I expect so - they sell spare sections for existing modular cassettes from SLX/XT/XTR/Ultegra/DuraAce.
Pointless.
An exercise in trying to separate you from your money.
Not sure you understand the retail business model
